He doesn't because he gets the opportunity but doesn't take it. Again 12 odd chances, all of a similar calibre to the one which knocks ock off the building
What?
So, in your view, you think Spidey was allowing May and MJ to stew, while he... did what? Played tag with Ock?
Those opportunites aren't what you think they were, because if he could have knocked him off of the building again, he
would have. There's never a point during the fight where he hesitates. That would be your evidence of "not taking opportunities".
like the one from spidey 2.1, 2nd vid in first quote
I still don't know what you're talking about. What 12 unanswered shots?
if he didn't mean for him to fall, he would have saved him, he looked and didn't care and went straight after may. He wasn't in any shock over his actions, nor did he attempt any sort of saviour or web net or nothing.
Wait a sec- above you accuse him of not taking opportunities to stop Ock, then you complain that he should have SAVED Ock, rather than go after May. You're thinking process is dizzying, man.
Again, Spidey didn't want Ock to fall, but if he fell, it was his own fault, so he has to deal with the consequences. May was the priority.
Spidey's hit made ock's conciousness let go of the wall with the tentacle grip, the notion the tentacles are independant of ock in battle are negated with that point.
No it isn't, it's enhanced. Obviously if Ock was out, the tentacles saved Ock from falling, just as the pic I posted shows the tentacles lifting Ock while he's out.
a clean shot or 10/12 clean shots including head butts knees, swinging backfists and unanswered hits to the face?
Those aren't clean shots. Just because they land doesn't mean they land flush or with enough impact. Again, he's pulling his punches
This is just opinion, we can go back and forth with no resolution. I believe elements of it could have been there as playing to his ego or embarassing him has always been part of spidey's relationship with him. I don't think it's too detrimental to add elements of it in parts.
Spidey's concern was
stopping Ock, not embarrassing him. You talk about him not taking opportunities. Taking time to trade banter would have been moreso.
a punch is pulled by its swing, spidey's swinging more wrecklessly at ock than any of these opponents mentioned.
You don't really expect them to visually show Spidey throwing slow, weak punches do you? They certainly never did in the comics, which is your concern for accuracy. It was only suggested in the dialogue.
That's the point. Osborn is ThREATENING TO KILL. OCK was ABOUT TO KILL, he dropped her remember and left her hanging. And dragged spidey back when he went to get her. Spidey went CRAZY on him in anger but still couldn't knock him out.
comparing those two scenes does that make sense at all he couldn't knock out a human with all that going on.
you keep bringing up elements that alleviate the annoyance of it all, you're saying he would pull more punches against a human and not knock her out when his aunt's life is in danger more than he would against a superhuman dude in armour who is merely threatening it happening?
Would you be more pissed if someone threatened to attack a family member or was actually attacking them?
Exactly- And because May was DIRECTLY IN DANGER, he had to focus on getting free to get May
out of danger, rather than on beating up Ock. And the situation was different with the Goblin, as he had
defeated Spidey and was about to kill
him. It was only Spidey's rage-driven rally, fueled by Osborn threatening MJ,
that saved his own life. Also, again- Spidey was less experienced during the Goblin fight, had been injured by a bomb in the face, and exhausted after lifting the tram car. Different circumstances.
Two set of crook attacks, one were about to take out MJ, he knocked them all out and didn't waste time because he knew her life was in danger, He acted responsibly to end the conflict quickly. He even acted before he could get his mask on because of the urgency.
And this fight you mentioned also addresses a point you brought up earlier. The punch Spidey lands on one of the attackers,
doesn't looked pulled. Spidey is swinging for the bleechers. But it obviously had to be or the guy would have been decapitated with Spidey's strength.
now how is that any different to ock. in all three fights with ock, he wasn't searching long to land a punch, he was landing pretty much everyone he threw and he threw crap loads. All clean, non blocked or from silly angles, all straight on the jaw. Jabs Uppercuts, hooks, drop kicks, back fists, headbutts.
But they WERE landed while standing on the side of buildings, and moving train cars, while Ock's tentacles were blocking, pulling at Spidey's arms and moving Ock around. Spidey was fighting gravity, wind-resistence, and tthe movemnt of the train. All of which would take away from the impact of Spidey's already pulled-punches.
ha, harry hit his head twice in spidey 3 and he was in hospital, ock too way more punishment that that, way way way more.
No he obviously did not. When did Ock hit head first after falling several stories? When did Ock's neck nearly break from running into a webline at high speed? Ock just suffered punches that were- AGAIN-
pulled.
Dragon why are you making up logic here. THere's inconsistencies within the films and motives and comic back story and you're coming here with commitment vs pain resistance?
Making it up? No my friend. Mental Drive is absolutely a factor in being able to take pain. I've expereinced it myself. When you are DRIVEN to survive an attack your pain threshold increases. It's like childbirth. That much pain would normally make someon faint. But women endure it because they are thinking of their child.
What about harry then, he was commited for years to kill spidey for killing his dad, with the serum flowing through him, that means that he would have never lost conciousness in the entire film.
And he also took greater levels of punishment. And- evidenced by his change of heart at the end of the film- his commitment wasn't TOTAL. His heart wasn't truly in killing Peter. In fact, His "conversations" with Norman reflected that.
this is like the worst tangent ever and it's why i didn't want this conversation. Everyone is picking up anything to excuse the fact it shouldn't have gone down that way and was an oversight for entertainment value, pure and simple.
You went down that road. You could have easily stuck to the subject of the Ock fight.
If spidey had all this experience, it's even MORE reason for him to take him out quickly and stop Wasting time when his aunt's life is in the balance.
again it's a double edged sword you are using for your defence here. He knows the importance of taking out people quickly so bystanders don't get hurt, especially his very own AUNT, who he had nearly killed moments earlier.
Again. This is a MOVIE, not real life. You want to talk unrealities, well, May saving herself with an umbrella is a greater stretch than Ock surviving Spidey's attack. But the MAIN purpose was to entertain. If the fights were merely about showing Spidey being efficient in saving the lives of his loved ones, I'm sure you'd be complaining that they were boring action scenes, and "not accurate to the comics".
This thread isn't disputing the aesthetics of it, it woudl be great for a character like scorpion who has and appendage and relevant super strength, it isn't an ock encounter though, especially an initial one.
Another tangent? This movie wasn't featuring the scorpion, who couldn't carry an entire film. Ock could, so he was presented as being as dangerous a threat as possible.
We're not talking about two human beings in the prime of their life here, were are talking about the logistics of someone who is Strong enough to STOP A RUNAWAY train knocking out an ACADEMIC.
And obviously he used ALL of his strength to stop the train, and NOT ALL of his strength to punch Ock. And you have the same circumstance of superhuman vs. academic in the comics, yet he always gave Spidey the same level of difficulty.
not while jumping or dashing or even falling. Legs-Planted-knocking-them-off-their-feet hard
Again- AS WITH THE COMICS- the punch-pulling is
suggested, not displayed. It's the same with martial arts in movies vs. real life. What is shown to be powerful blows is not the way the movements would be performed in real life. It's faked for visual effect.
In smallville, clark's tapped humans on the head and knocked them out 'carefully' and casually.
And Smallville has incredibly boring action scenes. They are more going for showing how powerful Clark is than in generating an exciting action sequences. Not to mention that Superman is many dozens of times stronger than Spider-Man. They weren't dropping 200 million bucks to show theoretically accurate action scenes. They wanted a visual feast, and succeeded.
Alright here you've done two things.
You've assumed any alternative to what would be shown is boring, even though many people on here have stated a proper classic encounter between ock and spidey would be something they would still like to watch
But you don't know how to execute it visually nor can you point to an example of how it would be done. Again, had they done the fights from ASM #3 as they were on the page, they would have been VERY boring and far too quick.
You've hit the nail on the head, they forsake classic material for apparent entertainment. That means it doesn't belong in this discussion. You've ruled it out of discussion about joint entertainment AND accuracy. So there's not much point continuing with it
Uh, the title of the thread is "Best action sequence in any comic book adaptation!!!!"
When you place the term "adaptation" in the mix you're acknowledging that changes will be made. That's what adapting is.
And there is not a single fight in any movie adaptation that reflects the comis exactly. Can't be done.
I do.
You've already counted these fights out on the basis they were designed for entertainment and since we've both said they aren't like classic ock encounters in set up or with quips then the rest is semantics. like i stated initially.
Okay, well aren't the comic books
designed for entertainment? And they were faithfully adapted in the sense of the spirit of the battles. Lack of quips is not an important factor. If , again, the fights were slow-moving gabfests, they wouldn't be faithful adaptations either, as the comics fights were constanly moving and charged with energy.
sorry but when someone lifts someoen off the ground with a punch, or knocks them right off a building, you can't argue punch pulling validity (even at 10% or 1%, if you are punching someone with enough force to knock them off a building or off their feet, it's enough to end a fight). Especially a 6' 1 person as you like to remind us.
The punch
didn't lift Ock off the ground. The punch stunned him so that his focus was lost and the tentacles lost their grip on the bulilding. And sure, maybe Spidey
did put more into that punch to get to May. That's what you've been arguing he should have been doing anyway isn't it?
. All power to you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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