Best CBM Threequel AFTER CW and TDKR

[Erzengel]

When I listed Logan and Ragnarok earlier, did I forget JL? Some posters here are considering it the 3rd part of the MOS, BvS series.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Maybe we should count The Avengers as the threequel to Iron Man, and see it shatter this poll.

 

[John Locke]

Spider-Man 3. It's underrated and none of the other movies have a scene that comes close to birth of Sandman.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah it only took Cap to become an A-lister what 71 years until Avengers or 73 years until TWS? LOL

When was Batman an A-lister? Probably what Adam West show? 27 years. Then after how many animated shows and 4 movies even prior to TDKT?

I already said Batman is more popular. But let's not act like Cap has been unknown all those years. Even I remember watching the old Cap cartoon as a kid.

Plus being more popular doesn't mean more people will like your movie, look at BvS, that didn't even come close to CW in a poll.

I admire the Mandarin twist in IM3 a lot, especially for how it was able to be concealed in the lead up to the film. It might be the most daring twist I think that's ever been done in a superhero movie in the sense of subverting the established canon and audience expectation. But for all that, I still don't think it works. The actual villain of the movie is much less interesting and engaging. I was very much into what Ben Kingsley was doing with the role. I would've loved to see that taken to its fullest potential.

Also, Rebecca Hall is wasted in the film.

Agreed. The 2nd half of the movie really brings it down for me.

 

[Erzengel]

I already said Batman is more popular. But let's not act like Cap has been unknown all those years. Even I remember watching the old Cap cartoon as a kid.

Plus being more popular doesn't mean more people will like your movie, look at BvS, that didn't even come close to CW in a poll.

Did you watch all 13 episodes of the Cap cartoon series? Or the 2 TV live action series in the 1970s, it's not even close and while Cap was "known" he's never been on the level of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman or even Spider-Man.

And while CW did smack down BvS, outside the vocal minority here and around the internet, the general consensus seems to be that CW is head and shoulders better than BvS.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Did you watch all 13 episodes of the Cap cartoon series? Or the 2 TV live action series in the 1970s, it's not even close and while Cap was "known" he's never been on the level of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman or even Spider-Man.

Mention the 70s Cap films and no mention of Hulk in comparison?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Did you watch all 13 episodes of the Cap cartoon series? Or the 2 TV live action series in the 1970s, it's not even close and while Cap was "known" he's never been on the level of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman or even Spider-Man.

And while CW did smack down BvS, outside the vocal minority here and around the internet, the general consensus seems to be that CW is head and shoulders better than BvS.

I can't remember what I watched, but he was known. And I already acknowledged Batman is more popular. But Cap is extremely well known at the moment.

CW is better than BvS, but Batmans popularity has nothing to do with that just as it had nothing to do with TDKR beating CW. And many consider CW the best CBM ever. So for a 4 year old movie that has its detractors to beat it when CW had JUST come out is no small feat. Ada just shows how much TDKR is liked.

 

[The Batman]

was it? I remember a lot of disappointment on these boards

1. The Hype is the Hype. It does not represent fandom in general, and definitely doesn't represent the masses.

2. Even limiting consensus to solely the Hype, TDKR is generally well received. Most of the people who complain about the movie are a vocal minority. It just beat CW in a poll recently, as others have said before.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=508463

That's the "Rate TDKR" thread, a thread I started earlier this year. Most people considered the movie good or great. The bad option got the least amount of votes, and didn't even reach double digits.

 

[Erzengel]

I can't remember what I watched, but he was known. And I already acknowledged Batman is more popular. But Cap is extremely well known at the moment.

CW is better than BvS, but Batmans popularity has nothing to do with that just as it had nothing to do with TDKR beating CW. And many consider CW the best CBM ever. So for a 4 year old movie that has its detractors to beat it when CW had JUST come out is no small feat. Ada just shows how much TDKR is liked.

Two different thought processes. What I said, it was impressive that a Cap movie came into striking distance of probably the 2nd most popular TDKT movie. Especially for a formerly B list character.

And even a "crappy" Batman movie was still able to do "well" in the box office. Just it wasn't in the same category in quality with TDKT or the CA movies.

 

[Supa]

Dark Knight Rises isn't a bad film. It just had to follow up the Dark Knight, you really can't blame it for not doing as well. But it's still a very well-put together film.

 

[Timebomb]

It's sad what movies this poll list entails. IM3 has to be the better film and I'm not a huge fan of it, the others were just so dissapointing. Sad that for me Apocalypse did not get my vote.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

IM3 is my pick. It got a lot of mixed reactions from many on here and the general movie-goer but it was actually a pretty good movie.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Probably Spider-Man 3 or X3. I've re watched them a ton of times despite how disappointing they were on first watch.

IM3 was fine. Just doesn't really do anything for me.

 

[Bayne]

Not surprised at this poll, Iron Man 3 is not a bad movie, it just gets a lot of **** cus "muh Mandarin"

You may prefer to focus solely on the Mandarin controversy since it makes it easier to just shout 'fanboyism' and shut down any criticism, but there is a lot more wrong with that movie than just the twist (which incidentally was very poorly handled - regardless of its relationship to the source material).

The tone is all over the place. The story is completely incohesive. And the ending makes no sense.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Two different thought processes. What I said, it was impressive that a Cap movie came into striking distance of probably the 2nd most popular TDKT movie. Especially for a formerly B list character.

And even a "crappy" Batman movie was still able to do "well" in the box office. Just it wasn't in the same category in quality with TDKT or the CA movies.

Fair enough. I still find it impressive TDKR won against a just released movie that was highly regarded though. Especially as the newer movies always tend to win these things.

Dark Knight Rises isn't a bad film. It just had to follow up the Dark Knight, you really can't blame it for not doing as well. But it's still a very well-put together film.

Agreed.

 

[Flint Marko]

The tone is all over the place. The story is completely incohesive. And the ending makes no sense.

Care to explain how?

 

[BoredGuy]

Fair enough. I still find it impressive TDKR won against a just released movie that was highly regarded though. Especially as the newer movies always tend to win these things.

I will never be able to comprehend that one
His popularity was most definitely a factor in that victory

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I will never be able to comprehend that one
His popularity was most definitely a factor in that victory

Sorry I just can't agree. I am the prime example, I am not huge Batman fan, not by any stretch, he wouldn't even make my top 10 super heroes. But I prefer TDKR and voted for it in that thread. Simply because I think it's a better movie.

EDIT: Also, the popularity of the character didn't help Batman Begins against CW.

 

[Erzengel]

Personally Iron Man 3 in the tier beneath CW.

In that tier right below Iron Man 3, I'd put Apocalypse, Spider-Man 3.

Beneath those movies, I'd put Superman III, Batman Forever and maybe Dark Side of the Moon and TMNT 3.

At the bottom is Blade Trinity.

 

[famicommander]

Iron Man 3.

And The Dark Knight Rises is awful.

Civil War is okay. Same for Apocalypse.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Superman III, I actually think this film is underrated. The Pryor stuff isn't great but everything involving Reeve is pure gold, Clark vs Supermam is arguably the best fight scene in the original series and Reeve gives his best performance as the Man of Steel in this film. He clearly has a great time portraying evil Superman, I think there's about 70% a good film in SIII.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Surprised how well Batman Forever is doing, I didn't hate it at all, but for me it was a big step down from the Burton movies.

 

[BoredGuy]

Sorry I just can't agree. I am the prime example, I am not huge Batman fan, not by any stretch, he wouldn't even make my top 10 super heroes. But I prefer TDKR and voted for it in that thread. Simply because I think it's a better movie.

EDIT: Also, the popularity of the character didn't help Batman Begins against CW.

no I know, we've hashed this out before
And I kinda started from an opposite place, I love Batman, or did at the time, especially coming out of TDK and BB, which I thought were both fantastic.

And then TDKR came along and gave me the same feeling I had watching X3
"Oh god, how'd they go so wrong"
(and I've actually softened in my disappointment in X3 in the years since, but not TDKR)

what, per se, do you think was better about it than CW (other than the villains, because we just plain disagree on that one)??

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

no I know, we've hashed this out before
And I kinda started from an opposite place, I love Batman, or did at the time, especially coming out of TDK and BB, which I thought were both fantastic.

And then TDKR came along and gave me the same feeling I had watching X3
"Oh god, how'd they go so wrong"
(and I've actually softened in my disappointment in X3 in the years since, but not TDKR)

what, per se, do you think was better about it than CW (other than the villains, because we just plain disagree on that one)??

Well yeah, I thought Bane was great, Talia, not so much.

I just feel TDKR had a more compelling story for the hero. It was a shock to see Batman in such a weak place at the start, then seeing him get the beating of his life, after seeing him dominate physically in previous movies, by Bane was also shocking, even though you knew it was coming.

And then of course his rise back from the ashes to come back and save his city. As a sidekick I felt Catwoman got more to do than Bucky also, who I loved in TWS. In CW it just didn't move his story along that much for me. And in hindsight, I would have preferred CW was saved for an Avengers movie have Cap 3 focus solely on the battle for Bucky's soul.

TDKR's ending was also light years ahead of CW's. I didn't like the idea of Batman retiring, but the way it was wrapped up, with Robin finding the cave and Bruce and having a happy ending was just too good to dislike for me. I felt more emotion in TDKR also. Alfred leaving and then him crying at Bruce's grave saying he failed Thomas and Martha was more emotional than anything in CW for me.

I thought both movies were damn ambitious, and both have a lot of flaws, but TDKR's story just engages me more. And TDKR stood up to re-watches also, while CW hasn't for me.

 

[BoredGuy]

Okay
So while you didn't have much attachment to Batman, I'm getting from what you say that you did form a fairly emotional attachment to the TDK series, that's the main reason Alfred's scene and Bruce's rock bottom start point have such an impact for you.

I get that

For me, seeing Tony and Steve- regardless how you feel about their 'friendship' but just as teammates and co-leaders- breaking down and beating the ever-loving piss out of one another was much more emotional imo... not in the tear-jerky melodramatic Alfred kinda way, but in a more "stop fighting I can't take this!" way

and I disagree with... pretty much everything else, but such is the beauty of opinions I suppose t: