Better Trilogy: TDK or Captain America?

[Erzengel]

If i want to impress a girl, i show her the trilogy.

Ooookay.

 

[I Am The Knight]

If I want to impress my boss, I show him the trilogy

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Ooookay.

Had a good laugh at that whole post. Guy is just trying way too hard at this point.

 

[DACrowe]

Ooookay.

That is kind of funny, but I do understand where Koba is coming from to a certain extent. I think most people who are not comic book fans can recognize the Nolan Batman movies are a great story. Comic fans are more prone to pick them apart for "inconsistencies" with the source material. The Captain America movies are conversely more fan friendly. But unless you're really invested in Bucky and the whole interconnectivity of the MCU (meaning all three Iron Man films, the Avengers films, and even Ant-Man), the Cap movies might be just a little nerdier and sillier.

Another way to put it is that the Nolan movies might feel like binging a big story for some people. The Marvel movies you need to be much more excited about comic books to enjoy once they're out of theaters... which is everyone on these forums (myself included). But I know that when personally pitching a "Netflix and chill" type of movie to never bring up something with Iron Man or Thor in it. Then again, I would rule out most superhero movies too on the same basis.

 

[Mjölnir]

That post on the last page could be the funniest I've ever read on this forum. Bravo.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Batman Begins is mediocre at best, it has one dimensional characters, awful action, terrible editing and some cringe worthy dialogue. TDK is great but without the Joker it would be almost as weak as BB. TDKR is pretty good but still flawed, deserves some points for improving on technical aspects from the first 2 movies though(better editing for example).

The Cap trilogy on the other hand only has one weak movie and is TFA, mostly the second half but still manages to be charming and entertaining which is more than I can say about BB. TWS and CW are not perfect films, but their flaws are very minor.

So yeah the Cap trilogy by far.

 

[Raiden]

Captain America trilogy is better than TDK trilogy. Here's how I would rank them:

BB: 7.5
TDK: 9.0
TDKR: 5.0
AVG: 7.17

TFA: 7.0
TWS: 9.0
CW: 10.0
AVG: 8.67


Captain America trilogy is the greatest superhero trilogy, with TDK trilogy coming in second.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Because you say so, right?

No, because Stone Cold said so!

But in all seriousness, I think the argument should at least be had, to dismiss the cap trilogy in such a manner just makes you look like a holier than thou Nolan fanboy.

 

[Boy Scout]

I wouldn't swap The Dark Knight for Marvel's entire combined output, so the Batman trilogy.

Same.

 

[C. Lee]

I'm pretty sure they did nothing Marvel fans also don't do.


Honestly, to me it doesn't really matter who wins. TDK trilogy has the kind of power that CA's can't even touch: I can show these movies to pretty much anybody and they will love them. I can show these movies to someone who doesn't even enjoy the genre and some of them will cry while watching them. It has happened to me several times. I was able to show the movies to my mom, who doesn't like these type of movies, and she loved them.

TDK trilogy is always a great bonding experience to me. It's something that i'm proud to introduce to everybody in my life.

If i wanna have a good time with friends, i show them the trilogy. If i want to impress a girl, i show her the trilogy. Everybody i know loves these freaking movies.

Would i be able to do the same with Captain America? No, i wouldn't. Maybe you guys have opposite experiences, but i wouldn't be able to do the same with Captain America. My mom finds the movies boring and stupid. My friends enjoy them, but most of them agree that they're just mediocre. And the girls, believe it or not, half of them can't seem to be able to enjoy Captain America movies. Just last night i suggested CW to a girl and she absolutely hated it. She usually likes IM movies but she didn't like this. I told her that the movie has 90% on RT and she replied something along these lines: "They must have been drinking".

Now, believe me, the more comic book movies i could share with people, the better. But the reality is that only the TDKT seems to be able to consistently satisfy everyone.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I'm pretty sure they did nothing Marvel fans also don't do.


Honestly, to me it doesn't really matter who wins. TDK trilogy has the kind of power that CA's can't even touch: I can show these movies to pretty much anybody and they will love them. I can show these movies to someone who doesn't even enjoy the genre and some of them will cry while watching them. It has happened to me several times. I was able to show the movies to my mom, who doesn't like these type of movies, and she loved them.

TDK trilogy is always a great bonding experience to me. It's something that i'm proud to introduce to everybody in my life.

If i wanna have a good time with friends, i show them the trilogy. If i want to impress a girl, i show her the trilogy. Everybody i know loves these freaking movies.

Would i be able to do the same with Captain America? No, i wouldn't. Maybe you guys have opposite experiences, but i wouldn't be able to do the same with Captain America. My mom finds the movies boring and stupid. My friends enjoy them, but most of them agree that they're just mediocre. And the girls, believe it or not, half of them can't seem to be able to enjoy Captain America movies. Just last night i suggested CW to a girl and she absolutely hated it. She usually likes IM movies but she didn't like this. I told her that the movie has 90% on RT and she replied something along these lines: "They must have been drinking".

Now, believe me, the more comic book movies i could share with people, the better. But the reality is that only the TDKT seems to be able to consistently satisfy everyone.

 

[Sevprince]

I at least have seen the Cap movies more than once. I still can't be bothered to watch TDKR yet.

 

[Squaremaster316]

BB: 9.5
TDK: 10
TDKR: 8

CA: 4
WS: 8
CW:8


TDKT wins.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Honestly, I'm proud of how close this poll is. I figured a lot of people would let The Dark Knight color their opinion of the entire trilogy and say Batman by default. Shows how truly spectacular Cap has been to be in the conversation.

 

[That9neGuy]

I'm pretty sure they did nothing Marvel fans also don't do.


Honestly, to me it doesn't really matter who wins. TDK trilogy has the kind of power that CA's can't even touch: I can show these movies to pretty much anybody and they will love them. I can show these movies to someone who doesn't even enjoy the genre and some of them will cry while watching them. It has happened to me several times. I was able to show the movies to my mom, who doesn't like these type of movies, and she loved them.

TDK trilogy is always a great bonding experience to me. It's something that i'm proud to introduce to everybody in my life.

If i wanna have a good time with friends, i show them the trilogy. If i want to impress a girl, i show her the trilogy. Everybody i know loves these freaking movies.

Would i be able to do the same with Captain America? No, i wouldn't. Maybe you guys have opposite experiences, but i wouldn't be able to do the same with Captain America. My mom finds the movies boring and stupid. My friends enjoy them, but most of them agree that they're just mediocre. And the girls, believe it or not, half of them can't seem to be able to enjoy Captain America movies. Just last night i suggested CW to a girl and she absolutely hated it. She usually likes IM movies but she didn't like this. I told her that the movie has 90% on RT and she replied something along these lines: "They must have been drinking".

Now, believe me, the more comic book movies i could share with people, the better. But the reality is that only the TDKT seems to be able to consistently satisfy everyone.

Then I showed the trilogy to a crippled child and he stood up and cheered.

I walked through a hospital carrying a portable DVD player showing The Dark Knight and disease was no more, blind could see, and don't get me started about the time I attended a funeral with a TDKR rises T-shirt on.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Then I showed the trilogy to a crippled child and he stood up and cheered.

I walked through a hospital carrying a portable DVD player showing The Dark Knight and disease was no more, blind could see, and don't get me started about the time I attended a funeral with a TDKR rises T-shirt on.

You brave, brave man

There should be a medal named in your honor

 

[Arachnid]

Cap trilogy for me

TWS > CW > TDK > BB > TFA > TDKR

 

[Marvel Knight]

I'm impressed that fans are divided on this one.

Great stuff.


We clearly have two superhero trilogies now worthy of praise and merit.


Despite what I think is wasted potential to launch a cinematic universe for DC/WB, Nolan did incredible things with the Batman property.


And the Cap trilogy is a home run for the MCU. And gives us a lot of hope for the future of the MCU under the direction of the Russo Bros.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Then I showed the trilogy to a crippled child and he stood up and cheered.

I walked through a hospital carrying a portable DVD player showing The Dark Knight and disease was no more, blind could see, and don't get me started about the time I attended a funeral with a TDKR rises T-shirt on.

All things can be healed through TDK

 

[That9neGuy]

All things can be healed through TDK

She would probably convert to Nolanism if she saw the trilogy though

 

[jaymes_e06]

I gotta go with Batman only TWS really left an impression on me enough to really say it was a great film let alon fantastic series of films.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I'm pretty sure they did nothing Marvel fans also don't do.


Honestly, to me it doesn't really matter who wins. TDK trilogy has the kind of power that CA's can't even touch: I can show these movies to pretty much anybody and they will love them. I can show these movies to someone who doesn't even enjoy the genre and some of them will cry while watching them. It has happened to me several times. I was able to show the movies to my mom, who doesn't like these type of movies, and she loved them.

TDK trilogy is always a great bonding experience to me. It's something that i'm proud to introduce to everybody in my life.

If i wanna have a good time with friends, i show them the trilogy. If i want to impress a girl, i show her the trilogy. Everybody i know loves these freaking movies.

Would i be able to do the same with Captain America? No, i wouldn't. Maybe you guys have opposite experiences, but i wouldn't be able to do the same with Captain America. My mom finds the movies boring and stupid. My friends enjoy them, but most of them agree that they're just mediocre. And the girls, believe it or not, half of them can't seem to be able to enjoy Captain America movies. Just last night i suggested CW to a girl and she absolutely hated it. She usually likes IM movies but she didn't like this. I told her that the movie has 90% on RT and she replied something along these lines: "They must have been drinking".

Now, believe me, the more comic book movies i could share with people, the better. But the reality is that only the TDKT seems to be able to consistently satisfy everyone.

I hear yah I'm surprised that it is SOO high too. Everyone lamenting masterpiece are deluding themselves with how many obvious issues the film has. Still a good effort but no where near the critics have placed it.

 

[Consona]

TDK trilogy BY FAR.

Yea, the story, the layers, the details, the depth, the mood and feelings Nolan's Batman films gave me, so superior to Marvel stuff, to me, of course.

Marvel never gave me the amount of gravitas I wanted to feel, it was always undermined by something. Nolan gave me that in such a manner it surpassed all my expectations. And it surpassed them sooo much.

I wouldn't swap The Dark Knight for Marvel's entire combined output, so the Batman trilogy.

+1

The more and more I see films from DC, Sony and Marvel, the more I think nobody will make such a masterpiece ever again.

Comparing TWS to TDK is rather silly, IMO. Completely different leagues. I liked DofP better than TWS and I still don't consider it to be TDK level.

 

[StormC]

Civil War is the only movie in the genre that has come close to TDK for me.

 

[Batmannerism]

Because it's building on a story from 4 previous movies. A trilogy is three stories. CW is the fifth. Just because it's the third movie with Cap as the protagonist doesn't make it a trilogy.

The movie falls apart and could never happen without the inclusion of the Avengers movies. The destruction fests from Avengers and especially Age of Ultron are major impacts on the Civil War happening. Cap's character relationships with Tony and nearly all the rest of the cast is all predicated on the Avengers. Heck CW itself feels more like an Avengers movie than a Cap movie. Tony is just as important as Cap is, and gets just as much character development if not more so.

So how can CW be the third part of a trilogy.

Okay, so two things IMO 1) trilogies should be self-contained 2) trilogies should have 3 parts (unless you're Douglas Adams)

First, I agree with most of the post above... except this

The movie falls apart and could never happen without the inclusion of the Avengers movies

I'm sure they could have justified the accords and written a workable storyline just on the back of the Winter Soldier, with a bit of clever writing

But, while I don't think the film would have fallen apart, let's be honest without the Avengers, Iron Man and Ant Man films most of the GA would be like "who the **** are all these guys ? " So really, CW needed these films - it doesn't really stand alone. If it had to do the work of actually introducing the Avengers, well come on even the Russos couldn't pull that off. Let's face it CW isn't really self-contained is it ?

So, to me a trilogy is self-contained - e.g. best film trilogy of all time The Lord of the Rings. Didn't even need the Hobbit films to stand on (sadly, the reverse was true). Original Star Wars trilogy, didn't need any other films, Bourne trilogy was nearly perfect [ sorry Jeremy Renner, but a Bourne film without Bourne just sucks] Spider Man and Back to the Future stand alone as trilogies, you can see where I'm going with this eh.

On the other hand TDKR, which isn't as good as CW, is part of a complete story that needs no external aids or prompts - which really reflects Nolan's approach to storytelling, a complete story with a character arc. As a final chapter it's a bit of a let down, but it's still a FINAL chapter, as in the story ends - and for that alone it deserves a lot of respect. The way CW ends we know more Cap adventures are in the works (well anyone who's anyone knows that Infinity war is coming right ? So we know Cap and Tony will be back).

Also I want to weigh in on this

Heck CW itself feels more like an Avengers movie than a Cap movie. Tony is just as important as Cap is, and gets just as much character development if not more so.

I think this is absolutely spot on. It doesn't feel like a Cap movie at all, and that makes it BETTER! RDJ puts in his best turn as Iron man since the first IM movie. If anything the accords storyline is completely secondary to the unravelling of Cap and Tony's friendship - sure Zemo tugs on some threads, but it was already coming apart, he's just the catalyst that makes it all fall apart.

Now going in I was skeptical that RDJ could make us believe that Iron Man was going to be keen on extra government supervision - but RDJ sold it beautifully, and also managed to caption his obsession perfectly. He developed further, as a character than Cap did. I mean, there's only so far you can go with Cap, he's got a set of values and that's who he is - consistent, and a little dull, but Evans makes him likeable.

Cap in CW is pretty much Cap from TWS, but Iron Man has come a long way - and RDJ made it believable, nice - of course to understand that journey we need to have seen the Avengers (both of 'em, and the Iron Man movies).

Yeah, I agree that CW isn't really part of a Cap trilogy, but more of another installment of the Avengers. But hey, that doesn't diminish the film at all CW is still great.

Again though, this is just IMO.