Better Trilogy: TDK or Captain America?

Capt America Trilogy vs. Dark Knight Trilogy

  • Captain America Trilogy

  • The Dark Knight Trilogy


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Cap's trilogy is better, but it's almost an unfair comparison. TWS and CW hit the ground running from story points that had been set up in other films. Nolan had no such advantage.
 
Cap's trilogy is better, but it's almost an unfair comparison. TWS and CW hit the ground running from story points that had been set up in other films. Nolan had no such advantage.

Which is why the cap movies don't count as a trilogy.
 
Which is why the cap movies don't count as a trilogy.

I can't agree there. It's still three films centering around the same character and there's enough recapping of events for the films to hold up even if viewers aren't familiar with the rest of the MCU.
 
I can't agree there. It's still three films centering around the same character and there's enough recapping of events for the films to hold up even if viewers aren't familiar with the rest of the MCU.

But a trilogy is generally about the ongoing development of the main character or characters. Both avengers movies are important movies that help develop Cap as a character, especially AOU. I just don't see how the cap movies count as a trilogy.

And you definitely need some knowledge of other MCU films. If you've never seen an Iron man film, civil war will be confusing as **** to you.
 
This isn't even close dark knight trilogy easily. Cap 1 is a ok movie at beast.

Begins is way better the cap 1
Dark knight vs TWS is close but dark knight is better
dark knight rises vs civil war dark knight easily and I like civil war a lot.

So dark knight trilogy 3-0 over the cap movies. If I rank the 6 movies from best to worst out of the 6 I would go something like this.

1. Dark knight rises
2. Batman beings
3. Civil war
4. dark knight
5. TWS
6. cap

Because cap 1 is just a ok movie at best I would also put the spider man trilogy over it to because has many flaws has spiderman 3 had it was still much much better then cap 1.
 
Spider-Man 3 better than TFA? I though TFA was a B-, B at best, but it's a much less of a fustercluck than SM3.
 
But a trilogy is generally about the ongoing development of the main character or characters. Both avengers movies are important movies that help develop Cap as a character, especially AOU. I just don't see how the cap movies count as a trilogy.

And you definitely need some knowledge of other MCU films. If you've never seen an Iron man film, civil war will be confusing as **** to you.

Everything of importance is reviewed or touched on in dialogue. The IM/Cap/Thor films can be viewed in sequence without their respective stories being compromised.
 
Catching up in dialogue isn't the same. Hearing about Tony's PTSD second hand in IM3 isn't remotely the same as watching it unfold before you in TA. It's a poor substitute.
 
I can't agree there. It's still three films centering around the same character and there's enough recapping of events for the films to hold up even if viewers aren't familiar with the rest of the MCU.

Would you consider the first three Bond movies a trilogy?
 
BB-- Great.
TDK-- Ridiculously great.
TDKR-- Really, really great.

CA-- Awful.
TWS-- Great.
CW-- Really great.

TDKT wins... Also Cap's isn't a trilogy.
 
Catching up in dialogue isn't the same. Hearing about Tony's PTSD second hand in IM3 isn't remotely the same as watching it unfold before you in TA. It's a poor substitute.

Getting the whole story is better, of course, but it isn't essential. CW in particular didn't need it since the scene where Ross laid out the SA showed all of the damage of the previous Avengers/Cap battles and Tony brought up his childhood inferiority complex that was due to Steve. I'd have to no problem in recommending the Cap films as a trilogy with only the suggestion that a novice read a synopsis of the Avengers & A; AoU between the Cap films.

Would you consider the first three Bond movies a trilogy?

I've only seen one JB film; they're not my cup of tea.

BB-- Great.
TDK-- Ridiculously great.
TDKR-- Really, really great.

CA-- Awful.
TWS-- Great.
CW-- Really great.

TDKT wins... Also Cap's isn't a trilogy.

TFA > BB
TDK> TWS
CW> TDKR

2 out of 3 falls- Cap wins.
 
It's weird to me that anybody can have really strong opinions on CA: TFA; it's a solid film that does what it sets out to do (establish Captain America) but I didn't find the movie offensive or mindblowing on any level. The best thing about it is Hugo Weaving's turn as Red Skull. Everything else is mostly just "yep, this is a Captain America origin movie."

TWS and CW are not only so highly separated in terms of quality from TFA, but also setting and direction style; it'd be like if you had Batman 89, then TDK and TDKR.
 
Batman Begins vs Captain America: The First Avenger:

Script:
Both of these suffer of the same problem: They start of great, but then collapse when they actually become Captain America and Batman. I loved following their journey to becoming their alter egos, but when they finally do that, the films dont know what to do with them, and they turn into generic action movies. Batman Begins also has quite a bit of bad dialogue. They are the weakest in their respective trilogies.

Acting:
Both movies have good acting, and Chris Evans and Christian Bale is really good in their parts. Even though I have some problems with Bale's portrayal of Batman, he's really good as Bruce Wayne. Katie Holmes has nothing on Hayley Atwell though, and where Evans and Atwell have great chemistry, Holmes and Bale have none.

Action:
Neither have impressive action sequences, so I guess it's a tie.

Villain:
Even though Ra's al Ghul is only alright, he's still better than Red Skull. It meant more when Bruce had to fight his old mentor, than when Steve had to do his end battle.

Overall:
Batman Begins 7/10, and Captain America: The First Avenger 7/10, so a tie.

The Dark Knight vs Captain America: The Winter Soldier:

Script:
Both movies have great scripts, but TDK has the better one. The plot and characterization is simply better in TDK, it cuts deeper into the characters and it's dark and meaningful. TDK also has better dialogue.

Acting:
Cap has some great acting, but TDK is on another level. Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart are brilliant as the Joker and Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Watching the tragic journey and fall of Dent is fantastic, and Eckhart, together with the script, truly makes you feel for Dent. For me, this was Dent's movie, more than it was Bruce Wayne's. Dent had the more interesting journey, and I also found Bale to be a little bit bland in this one. And the bat voice ...

Action:
Yeah ... no comparison. Even though TDK has a great car chase and a thrilling set piece near the end when Batman has to save some hostages, The Winter Soldier is simply on another level. The fight scenes are spectacular, and are, together with Civil War, the best in the genre. Cap looks like a complete badass when he fights. Batman looks ... the opposite.

Villain:
I liked Alexander Pierce, and Winter Soldier was a beast, but the Joker is one of the best villains ever. Totally mesmerizing. And while maybe not strictly a villain, when Dent finally transforms into Two-Face, it's truly compelling.

Overall:
This is a hard one. I love the Winter Soldier, but I have to give the edge to TDK. TDK is a masterful film, and the greatest comic book movie ever. The Dark Knight 9.5/10, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier 9/10.

The Dark Knight Rises vs Captain America: Civil War:

Script:
It's been a while since I watched TDKR, but from what I remember, I will say that I found the script to be quite good, with an interesting journey for Bruce Wayne. But if the "romance" with Talia had to be in it, then it should've had a bigger meaning. And ending the trilogy with spending so much time with Joseph Gordon-Levitt's boring John Blake is a mind-boggling mistake. That time should have been spent on Bruce and his journey and relationships, or on the villain.

Civil War's script is hugely ambitious, with so many different moving pieces. I remember watching it and thinking that this could collapse at any moment. But it didn't, which is a huge achievement. I'm a script writer and I can say that I wouldn't have been able to write this script. The script also thankfully avoids the generic final fight with the villain where explosions take center stage.

Where the script suffers though, is the characterization of the protagonist, Steve Rogers. It feels like the people making the movie thought that people would think Tony Stark was automatically wrong because he's the antagonist in a Captain America movie, so they made sure that Tony had some great reasons, reasons we could empathize with, to why he acts the way he does. Which is not a mistake, but while doing that, it's like they forgot to do the same for their protagonist. Tony was struggling more with his decisions than Steve, and it felt like Steve had less of a problem to turn to violence towards his friend, than it was the other way around. This made me side with Tony during the movie, even when he didn't make rational decisions. The script made me care more about Tony than Steve, and I don't think that was the intent.

Acting:
TKDR has good acting, but I find the acting in Civil War to be more compelling. Robert Downey Jr. has always been great as Tony Stark, but Civil War brings out his best performance yet, and it might be the best super hero performance ever. I found Tom Hardy to be alright as Bane, but he didn't have that much to work with. And Anne Hathaway was miscast as Selina Kyle/Catwoman. It felt like she was acting as Selina/Catwoman, not being her. I didn't buy her in the part.

Action:
There's no contest, Civil War thrumps TDKR in every single way, action-wise. The first fight against Bane is fine, but lacks the power and brutality is should've had, and the final fight against Bane is disappointing, to say the least. The action in Civil War is spectacular, both the more grounded and brutal fights, and the more elaborate fights. The final fight is hardhitting, in every single way.

Villain:
Bane is alright as the villain, but nothing special. He's just not that interesting or compelling. And for the villain in Civil War ... well, while not a villain, Tony is an antagonist, and what an antagonist he is. Flawed, interesting and you can't take your eyes of him. Daniel Brul's Zemo is more strictly the villain, and while he's not the greatest villain(but hopefully in the future, coughpurplemaskThunderboltscough), he's interesting with a good, human motivation to why he acts the way he does. You understand why he does it, and I love that he does not want to take over the world, or is after money or other boring things. He also fits perfectly with the themes of the movie.

Overall:
The Dark Knight Rises 7/10, and Civil War 9/10.

Final:

While The Dark Knight is the best movie out of both trilogies, overall, Captain America's trilogy is better.
 
To put it simply...while Batman Begins is still my favorite superhero movie ever, TDK and TDKR are massively overrated imo. So Cap wins EASILY.
 
I am bigger batman fan but cap trilogy is better.the dark knight rises is huge downgrade
from BB ad dk.The dark knight is one of my favorate comic book films.

I debate which i like better begins or winter soldier.I like both civil war and first avenger
more than i do the dark knight rises.Dark Knight rises isn't Spider-man 3,X-Men the last stand or iron man 3 but i don't think it's as good as dark kight or batman begins.
 
I like the Cap films a lot more than the Nolan series, but I'm going to agree with those who have taken the MCU films out of the running. Crowning the three Cap films is like picking out your three favorite Harry Potter movies and comparing them to TDKT. I don't consider the Cap, Iron Man or Thor films to be trilogys.
 
I'm strictly looking at this as a trilogy: which is why I voted Dark Night as there's a beginning, middle and end.

Cap 1 and 2 are really good as a part one and part two and I'm not knocking Cap 3 but it doesn't really tie up Cap 2 so much as lead into Phase 3 or 4 or whatever we're on. If you only watched the Cap movies, #3 would have a lot coming out of nowhere.
 
BB - 7.5
TDK - 9
TDKR - 8

TDKT average - 8.2


TFA - 7.5
WS - 9
CW - 9

Cap trilogy average - 8.5

And when it comes to replay value, it's not even close. I could rewatch the Cap trilogy endless times.

The action, important themes and story just reasonates way more than Nolan's Batman.
 
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The Captain America trilogy is one big story arc about Steve/Peggy/Bucky and American values. Of course it's a trilogy.

One could argue that they're even more interconnected than TDKT and many other movie trilogies with self contained stories.
 
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I will say this again, the cap movies do not count as a trilogy. It does not make sense to compare it to the TDK trilogy.

You can't count Cap as a trilogy.

Which is why the cap movies don't count as a trilogy.

But a trilogy is generally about the ongoing development of the main character or characters. Both avengers movies are important movies that help develop Cap as a character, especially AOU. I just don't see how the cap movies count as a trilogy.

And you definitely need some knowledge of other MCU films. If you've never seen an Iron man film, civil war will be confusing as **** to you.

Thank you :up:

I don't see how it can be considered a trilogy when the plot for CW heavily relies on the stories from the last four movies Cap was in. Heck without the Avengers Cap's relationship with Tony and 95% of the rest of the cast makes no sense.
 
The Captain America trilogy is one big story arc about Steve/Peggy/Bucky and American values.

One could argue that they're even more interconnected than TDKT and many other movie trilogies with self contained stories.

I really don't see that with Cap 3.

You could watch the first movie and find Fury at the end which leads into the second where he's working for Fury and understand what's going on even with Widow added in but Winter Soldier ends with an expectation of a much more Cap/Bucky centered story then them just chasing him again.

Peggy's role in 3 is just to be an obituary photograph and a closed coffin :p

For me Batman Begins is better than The First Avenger. The Dark Knight is better than The Winter Soldier. Civil War is better than The Dark Knight Rises.

So TDK trilogy wins.
I'd agree with this. It's a good movie but a better Avengers movie than a Cap solo.
 
Cap 1 - Peggy and Bucky guide Steve into becoming Captain America. Cap is defined by his role against fascism.

Cap 2 - Peggy reminds Steve of the world they left behind. Steve goes on a mission to stop/save Bucky. America is infiltrated by fascist and Cap takes a stand.

Cap 3 - Peggy's fate solidifies Steve's commitment to his old American values. Cap must protect Bucky and finally regain their friendship. Also after the events of Cap 2, Cap is willing to fight for autonomy.

But because Spidey and the Avengers show up in Civil War, it doesn't count as part of a trilogy?

Lmao.
 
How can it not be considered a trilogy? It's three connected movies with Captain America as the protagonist, and his name is the only one that's in all of the titles. People are making a problem out of nothing. Why not just compare Captain America's three movies with Batman's three movies?
 
BB - 8.5/10

TDK - 10/10

TDKR -7/10

Total-score = 25.5/30


TFA - 7.5

TWS - 9.5

CW - 9.5

Total-score = 26.5/30

Cap trilogy in a close one.
 
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I really don't see that with Cap 3.

You could watch the first movie and find Fury at the end which leads into the second where he's working for Fury and understand what's going on even with Widow added in but Winter Soldier ends with an expectation of a much more Cap/Bucky centered story then them just chasing him again.

Bucky leaves an unconscious Cap on the shore after saving him in Cap 2. They haven't become allies yet.

Peggy's role in 3 is just to be an obituary photograph and a closed coffin :p

Nope, Peggy's fate has an impact on why Cap goes rogue.

The speech by Agent 13 says it all.
 
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