Better Trilogy: TDK or Captain America?

[The Joker]

How can it not be considered a trilogy? It's three connected movies with Captain America as the protagonist, and his name is the only one that's in all of the titles. People are making a problem out of nothing. Why not just compare Captain America's three movies with Batman's three movies?

Because it's building on a story from 4 previous movies. A trilogy is three stories. CW is the fifth. Just because it's the third movie with Cap as the protagonist doesn't make it a trilogy.

The movie falls apart and could never happen without the inclusion of the Avengers movies. The destruction fests from Avengers and especially Age of Ultron are major impacts on the Civil War happening. Cap's character relationships with Tony and nearly all the rest of the cast is all predicated on the Avengers. Heck CW itself feels more like an Avengers movie than a Cap movie. Tony is just as important as Cap is, and gets just as much character development if not more so.

So how can CW be the third part of a trilogy.

 

[Sleiek]

As a huge Batman fan, I can't believe I am saying this. But I like the Cap trilogy better. The fighting choreography is easily better and to me that is one of the biggest deals.

I still love The Dark Knight Trilogy. But I love Cap trilogy a tiny bit more. Made me care about a character I didn't give a crap about.

And yeah I actually kinda agree with The Joker's argument about how CW is not part of a trilogy. I too feel that it feels less like a solo film and more like an Avengers film and depends on other Marvel films to work. But whatever, it is in the title and I don't want to think too much into it.

 

[Whatupman]

Because it's building on a story from 4 previous movies. A trilogy is three stories. CW is the fifth. Just because it's the third movie with Cap as the protagonist doesn't make it a trilogy.

The movie falls apart and could never happen without the inclusion of the Avengers movies. The destruction fests from Avengers and especially Age of Ultron are major impacts on the Civil War happening. Cap's character relationships with Tony and nearly all the rest of the cast is all predicated on the Avengers. Heck CW itself feels more like an Avengers movie than a Cap movie. Tony is just as important as Cap is, and gets just as much character development if not more so.

So how can CW be the third part of a trilogy.

CW is the third part of a trilogy because it's the third Captain America movie. The Avengers movies are not Captain America movies. And it doesn't matter if CW feels like an Avengers movie, it's still a Captain America movie. The fact that Captain America has had stories and character development in other movies doesn't change the fact that those movies where not Captain America movies.

 

[Kobra]

Batfans need to wake up and vote. It would be too funny if Cap wins the poll.

 

[The Joker]

CW is the third part of a trilogy because it's the third Captain America movie. The Avengers movies are not Captain America movies. And it doesn't matter if CW feels like an Avengers movie, it's still a Captain America movie. The fact that Captain America has had stories and character development in other movies doesn't change the fact that those movies where not Captain America movies.

Being the third Captain America movie doesn't make it a trilogy when it's using a story built from four previous movies. Your argument is solely predicated on a name and not the content. It doesn't make an iota of a difference if the Avengers movies were not Cap movies. He was a major character in them, his character development and character relationships, as well as the events of those movies were all major significant elements that formed the story for CW. Without them there is no story for CW.

Same with the Iron Man movies. They're not a trilogy just because Iron Man 3 is the third one. It is more a sequel to the Avengers than Iron Man 2.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Being the third Captain America movie doesn't make it a trilogy when it's using a story built from four previous movies. Your argument is solely predicated on a name and not the content. It doesn't make an iota of a difference if the Avengers movies were not Cap movies. He was a major character in them, his character development, as well as the events of those movies were all major significant elements that formed the story for CW. Without them there is no story for CW.

Civil War makes absolutely no sense if you don't watch Age of Ultron, in particular, first. So much of what happens in it from the Sokovia Accords to the motivations of both the co-lead and the main villain are direct results of that film.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Batfans need to wake up and vote. It would be too funny if Cap wins the poll.

funny how? maybe this wouldn't be a discussion if TDKR wasn't a complete farce

 

[Whatupman]

Being the third Captain America movie doesn't make it a trilogy when it's using a story built from four previous movies. Your argument is solely predicated on a name and not the content. It doesn't make an iota of a difference if the Avengers movies were not Cap movies. He was a major character in them, his character development and character relationships, as well as the events of those movies were all major significant elements that formed the story for CW. Without them there is no story for CW.

Same with the Iron Man movies. They're not a trilogy just because Iron Man 3 is the third one. It is more a sequel to the Avengers than Iron Man 2.

But where does it say that a trilogy needs to be self-contained? What does it matter that the movies don't only stand on their own two legs? Yes, you don't understand everything about the Captain America trilogy and the Iron Man trilogy if you haven't seen the Avengers movies. That's what happens when you also have team up movies. Can't trilogies be connected to other movies, to other trilogies? But there's a reason to why the names are Iron Man 1, 2 and 3. Three Iron Man movies, which automatically makes it a trilogy. I mean, otherwise, doesn't that make the Black Panther movie that comes out 2018 the second Black Panther movie?

 

[Kobra]

funny how? maybe this wouldn't be a discussion if TDKR wasn't a complete farce

Because you say so, right?

 

[The Joker]

Civil War makes absolutely no sense if you don't watch Age of Ultron, in particular, first. So much of what happens in it from the Sokovia Accords to the motivations of both the co-lead and the main villain are direct results of that film.

Exactly. So does the character relationships. Can anyone really say Cap and Tony's relationship would work in CW if you had not seen the two Avengers movies?

Heck people complain about that in that Tony says he and Cap were friends, when they don't act like friends in those movies.

But where does it say that a trilogy needs to be self-contained? What does it matter that the movies don't only stand on their own two legs? Yes, you don't understand everything about the Captain America trilogy and the Iron Man trilogy if you haven't seen the Avengers movies. That's what happens when you also have team up movies. Can't trilogies be connected to other movies, to other trilogies? But there's a reason to why the names are Iron Man 1, 2 and 3. Three Iron Man movies, which automatically makes it a trilogy. I mean, otherwise, doesn't that make the Black Panther movie that comes out 2018 the second Black Panther movie?

Ok lets keep this simple. Can you name other movie trilogies that heavily relied on the content from other movies to make their story work? Because right now your only argument seems to be predicated on a movie title, and not the actual story of the movie itself.

I mean is Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban the third part of a trilogy just because that's the third Potter movie? Is Star Trek III: The Search for Spock a third part of a trilogy because it's the third Trek movie?

 

[The Joker]

Batfans need to wake up and vote. It would be too funny if Cap wins the poll.

There's your answer; http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=33658689&postcount=981

Messiahdecoy123 has been pumping up the Cap side by spreading it around his forums. If it bothers you that much go do the same in the Bat forums.

 

[Whatupman]

Exactly. So does the character relationships. Can anyone really say Cap and Tony's relationship would work in CW if you had not seen the two Avengers movies?

Heck people complain about that in that Tony says he and Cap were friends, when they don't act like friends in those movies.



Ok lets keep this simple. Can you name other movie trilogies that heavily relied on the content from other movies to make their story work? Because right now your only argument seems to be predicated on a movie title, and not the actual story of the movie itself.

I mean is Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban the third part of a trilogy just because that's the third Potter movie?

Well, that's a little bit hard considering that I don't know of so many shared movie universes, especially not universes that have trilogies. But if Deadpool gets up to three movies, then I would say that he has a trilogy, even if it doesn't only stand on it's own legs. Hmm, but how about Star Wars?

And no, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is not the third part of a trilogy, because there's more than three Harry Potter movies. If there were only three, then I would say yes.

 

[Kobra]

There's your answer; http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=33658689&postcount=981

Messiahdecoy123 has been pumping up the Cap said by spreading it around his forums. If it bothers you that much go do the same in the Bat forums.

No, it doesn't bother me. I was just wondering why the hell the poll became so close all of the sudden. To be honest, i think it's just sad. But hey, i also receive PM's telling me to vote here and there. To some people this whole thing is very important.

BTW, nice catch. You're always on top of everything.

 

[The Joker]

Well, that's a little bit hard considering that I don't know of so many shared movie universes, especially not universes that have trilogies. But if Deadpool gets up to three movies, then I would say that he has a trilogy, even if it doesn't only stand on it's own legs. Hmm, but how about Star Wars?

What about Star Wars? Are you saying the latest one which is adding to the story nullifies the original as a trilogy?

And no, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is not the third part of a trilogy, because there's more than three Harry Potter movies. If there were only three, then I would say yes.

But your logic is if there is three movies with the Cap title that is a trilogy. Mine is if there is more than three parts to the story, then it's not. For example Toy Story is getting a part 4 so that is no longer a trilogy, and not because it's the 4th movie with Toy Story in the title, it's because they're adding another chapter to the story with the toy characters from the previous movies.

If they did a 4th Toy Story with all different toy characters, the first three would still be a trilogy regardless of what they call the 4th movie because their story is a trilogy.

No, it doesn't bother me. I was just wondering why the hell the poll became so close all of the sudden. To be honest, i think it's just sad. But hey, i also receive PM's telling me to vote here and there. To some people this whole thing is very important.

It is a bit sad, but it's not the first time it's been done in these vs polls. Dick swinging contests can get very competitive.

BTW, nice catch. You're always on top of everything.

I'm just ahead of the curve

 

[Erzengel]

I wouldn't be surprised if either one wins this match to be perfectly honest.

I said this even before CW that if it was stellar, that there at least deserves to be a discussion which obviously we are having now.

 

[Whatupman]

What about Star Wars? Are you saying the latest one which is adding to the story nullifies the original as a trilogy?

No, the opposite. The new Star Wars movies, even if they depend on you seeing the old ones, doesn't change that the original trilogy is still a trilogy. The same way that the Avengers movies don't change that Captain America also has his own trilogy.

But your logic is if there is three movies with the Cap title that is a trilogy. Mine is if there is more than three parts to the story, then it's not. For example Toy Story is getting a part 4 so that is no longer a trilogy, and not because it's the 4th movie with Toy Story in the title, it's because they're adding another chapter to the story with the toy characters from the previous movies.

If they did a 4th Toy Story with all different toy characters, the first three would still be a trilogy regardless of what they call the 4th movie because their story is a trilogy.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, and for me it's not only about the titles, but also about who's movie it is. I can't say that CW is Captain America's fifth movie in a pentalogy, because the Avengers movies are not from Captain America's perspective, and he's not the main protagonist in them. If we go by Toy Story: if Mr. Potato Head got his own trilogy, I would say that Toy Story is a trilogy, and Mr. Potato Head is a trilogy.

 

[Micromind]

Captain America.

 

[The Joker]

No, the opposite. The new Star Wars movies, even if they depend on you seeing the old ones, doesn't change that the original trilogy is still a trilogy. The same way that the Avengers movies don't change that Captain America also has his own trilogy.

That doesn't make sense though. When you add another chapter onto the story, it's no longer a three part story. Avengers is part of Cap's character story, and plays a huge vital part in the CW story, regardless of whether the movies themselves were not named after him.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, and for me it's not only about the titles, but also about who's movie it is. I can't say that CW is Captain America's fifth movie in a pentalogy, because the Avengers movies are not from Captain America's perspective, and he's not the main protagonist in them. If we go by Toy Story: if Mr. Potato Head got his own trilogy, I would say that Toy Story is a trilogy, and Mr. Potato Head is a trilogy.

If Mr. Potato Head's movie stories were heavily predicated on building on the events of the Toy Story movies, and featured all the cast from the Toy Story movies, then how they could be seen as a separate trilogy is beyond me, when the stories are so heavily interlinked to building on each other, and dependent on each other.

But I feel like this is going in circles now. You view it the way you do based on title rather than story. I am not going to tell you you're foolish or wrong to see it the way you do. It just makes no sense to me.

Peace out.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

For example Toy Story is getting a part 4 so that is no longer a trilogy

Specifically, it would be a tetralogy.

 

[Whatupman]

But I feel like this is going in circles now. You view it the way you do based on title rather than story. I am not going to tell you you're foolish or wrong to see it the way you do. It just makes no sense to me.

Peace out.

Yes, I didn't mean for it to become a huge thing. Let's agree to disagree.

Peace

 

[C. Lee]

As much as I love the Captain America movies and would love to vote for them....I don't consider them as a trilogy. They are interconnected with other movies and they are open to having more made.

To me....the Bale BATMAN movies are a trilogy. The HOBBITT movies are a trilogy. The LORD OF THE RINGS movies are a trilogy. The CAPTAIN AMERICA are three movies in a series of movies concerning the character.

 

[Kobra]

I wouldn't be surprised if either one wins this match to be perfectly honest.

I said this even before CW that if it was stellar, that there at least deserves to be a discussion which obviously we are having now.

Well, with some users going around the Marvel boards begging for votes, i will be surprised if CW doesn't win.

 

[Erzengel]

There always passionate fans on either sides. Let's not bring up what some of the Batman fans did to IMDB and RT.

 

[regwec]

There's your answer; http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=33658689&postcount=981

Messiahdecoy123 has been pumping up the Cap side by spreading it around his forums. If it bothers you that much go do the same in the Bat forums.

Pathetic.

 

[Kobra]

There always passionate fans on either sides. Let's not bring up what some of the Batman fans did to IMDB and RT.

I'm pretty sure they did nothing Marvel fans also don't do.


Honestly, to me it doesn't really matter who wins. TDK trilogy has the kind of power that CA's can't even touch: I can show these movies to pretty much anybody and they will love them. I can show these movies to someone who doesn't even enjoy the genre and some of them will cry while watching them. It has happened to me several times. I was able to show the movies to my mom, who doesn't like these type of movies, and she loved them.

TDK trilogy is always a great bonding experience to me. It's something that i'm proud to introduce to everybody in my life.

If i wanna have a good time with friends, i show them the trilogy. If i want to impress a girl, i show her the trilogy. Everybody i know loves these freaking movies.

Would i be able to do the same with Captain America? No, i wouldn't. Maybe you guys have opposite experiences, but i wouldn't be able to do the same with Captain America. My mom finds the movies boring and stupid. My friends enjoy them, but most of them agree that they're just mediocre. And the girls, believe it or not, half of them can't seem to be able to enjoy Captain America movies. Just last night i suggested CW to a girl and she absolutely hated it. She usually likes IM movies but she didn't like this. I told her that the movie has 90% on RT and she replied something along these lines: "They must have been drinking".

Now, believe me, the more comic book movies i could share with people, the better. But the reality is that only the TDKT seems to be able to consistently satisfy everyone.