Black Panther The Official News and Speculation Thread - - Part 11

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[Faith_Cassidy]

You're making my point for me.

It's "not a perfect movie" but is also being carried by social relevance and as I pointed out there are no other movies like this one in the CBM genre - hence the bump in repeat viewings. I can't even count all the discussion about young black kids devouring this film because of the excitement of seeing a hero like BP.

See you guys love to do this - you take an argument and swing it entirely one way. I'm saying the social relevance ADDED (that means in addition to) to the box office bump, not that it's entirely responsible for it. I dunno how anyone can sit there and honestly say it doesn't have an influence. That's just living with heads buried in the sand. There was a lot riding on the film's box office performance. Deny that all you want. I mean ask yourself this question - if it hits theaters and is ho-hum at the BO - does Marvel really drop another $200 million on a cast like this? Would other studios?

*****WARNING: My post does not mean the film was terrible.******

Lol I'd say, at the very least, repeat viewings is as much of a result of how good the film is, as anything else. Of course social relevance is one of the factors working in its favor. But the "unknowns" (predominantly black cast, lesser known hero) is exactly why most thought there was a cap on just how successful this movie could be at the BO. That it has shattered all expectations speaks to something more at play and that something more is clearly the quality of the movie itself. You don't have to agree that it's a great or even good movie but the majority of the audience seems to think so.

 

[DeadStroke]

Two MCU films got an A+ cinemascore.

Avengers....Black Panther.

I think that gives a hint of how re-watchable and enjoyable the movie is for general audiences. It's why BP will cross 600 million domestically as well.

 

[javonstokess]

This has been a fascinating discussion.

IMO, of course the movie isn't "perfect". There's no such thing as a perfect movie.

That being said it is a great movie. I don't care how "culturally relevant" something is, that doesn't always guarantee ONE BILLION in less than a month and multiple repeat viewings. People don't do repeat viewings for mediocre or bad movies.

While I respect everyone's opinion, and I'm sure there are many people who did NOT like the movie, you're pretty much in the minority if you didn't like it.

FWIW, I think BP is in AT LEAST the top 3 of MCU movies.

 

[DeadStroke]

This has been a fascinating discussion.

IMO, of course the movie isn't "perfect". There's no such thing as a perfect movie.

That being said it is a great movie. I don't care how "culturally relevant" something is, that doesn't always guarantee ONE BILLION in less than a month and multiple repeat viewings. People don't do repeat viewings for mediocre or bad movies.

While I respect everyone's opinion, and I'm sure there are many people who did NOT like the movie, you're pretty much in the minority if you didn't like it.

FWIW, I think BP is in AT LEAST the top 3 of MCU movies.

After reading the reviews, seeing the movie a couple of times, etc I thought that would be the consensus. Guess not.

Its the best to me. Despite it's CGI flaws and not as good as Russo action scenes I still think with story, characters, performances, score etc are what puts it at the top.

Again I still thought it would be a consensus top 3 MCU film around here. I can see people saying Winter Soldier is better (amazing action/solid story) and Avengers (A true I remember first seeing this type movie)

Maybe time will bring more people to seeing it as a top 3 MCU film though.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You're very naive. The nerdosphere is loaded with reactionaries. There is no way this was gonna be number one or even three for many people in nerd spaces. But it's the reception outside in the real world that matters. You should focus on that.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Again I still thought it would be a consensus top 3 MCU film around here. I can see people saying Winter Soldier is better (amazing action/solid story) and Avengers (A true I remember first seeing this type movie)

Maybe time will bring more people to seeing it as a top 3 MCU film though.

It's my #2 after Civil War

 

[Winterfell]

People are different and expect and want different things out of their comic book films. As I said before, BP focuses on world building and story over action so it's not going to be to everyone's taste.

Personally, it's easily in the top 3. The things that Coogler nails in the film, he REALLY nailed. The character work, the social commentary and themes it brings forth and tackles in a serious manner. All this is why I think BP along with TWS and Civil War are head over heels better than the rest of the MCU which are pretty much all assembly line fluff.

 

[Iceman]

Two MCU films got an A+ cinemascore.

Avengers....Black Panther.

I think that gives a hint of how re-watchable and enjoyable the movie is for general audiences. It's why BP will cross 600 million domestically as well.

Yeah, I find this very rewatchable. Still have a few more cinema trips left in me I think.

 

[Boy Scout]

I don’t know yet if this is a Top 3 MCU film for me, but it’s absolutely in the Top 5.

 

[King_Nomarch]

‘Black Panther’ On Track To Top ‘Avengers’ Domestically

In a story that just keeps going, the massively successful Marvel film, Black Panther, is currently on track to surpass The Avengers domestically, becoming the franchise’s highest earner in the United States.

After breaking numerous records throughout February, Black Panther looks like it’s on the track to break yet another record. Over the course of the weekend the film beat out the 2008 Batman film, The Dark Knight, which was the highest grossing superhero film until the release of the 2012 Avengers film. During the weekend, the film also had a great debut in China, earning $66.5M, giving it the biggest opening of a western film in that country while also crossing the billion dollar mark worldwide.

According to Box Office Mojo, the film has made over $562M domestically over the course of 24 days in theaters. This puts it well ahead of The Avengers’ $513M, leading many to predict that Black Panther will beat the 2012 film in domestic returns. Some analysis are even projecting that it just might outpace other domestic heavies like Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Titanic, and Jurassic World.

The question that seems to be lingering on everyone’s minds, however, is will the film outpace Avengers: Infinity War? As of right now, it is to early to tell. Some are projecting Infinity War to blow Black Panther‘s numbers out of the water while others think that it will be a much tighter race. It is worth noting that, unlike Black Panther, Infinity War will have some high profile competition throughout the month of May. This includes Deadpool 2 and Solo: A Star Wars Story, whereas Black Panther‘s competition for the past month has mostly consisted of lower profile films such as Game Night, Death Wish, Annihilation, and Peter Rabbit. Only time will tell how this will effect the Marvel box office race.

https://heroichollywood.com/black-panther-avengers-domestically/

 

[King_Nomarch]

It's in my top 3. It's tied with The Winter Soldier as my favorite movie.

 

[Raiden]

It's in my top 3. It's tied with The Winter Soldier as my favorite movie.

Yeah, that's my feeling as well.

My top 3:

1. CA:TWS
2. BP
3. Iron Man

 

[PINKERYEAH]

even with all the kills killmonger had piled up, he still didn't have the sense to kill T'challa properly, stupidity in its finest

 

[Slick]

Hearing my mom say “Wakanda Forever” makes my geek heart proud.

 

[Raiden]

even with all the kills killmonger had piled up, he still didn't have the sense to kill T'challa properly, stupidity in its finest

T'Challa was only alive thanks to the Jubari tribe who found him at the river, and even then he needed the Heart Shape Herb remedy to bring him back from the dead.

 

[Chesterfield]

even with all the kills killmonger had piled up, he still didn't have the sense to kill T'challa properly, stupidity in its finest

Stupidity? Really? You did see him throw a multiple stab wounded T'Challa off a high rise waterfall, right?

 

[javonstokess]

People are different and expect and want different things out of their comic book films. As I said before, BP focuses on world building and story over action so it's not going to be to everyone's taste.

Personally, it's easily in the top 3. The things that Coogler nails in the film, he REALLY nailed. The character work, the social commentary and themes it brings forth and tackles in a serious manner. All this is why I think BP along with TWS and Civil War are head over heels better than the rest of the MCU which are pretty much all assembly line fluff.

I'd argue that the actions scenes as a whole were good-to-great. The only fight scene that "struggled" was T'Challa vs. Killmonger in the Vibranium cave. That's the last action scene people remember so it colors their opinion of it.

But think about it. There were, what, 5 action scenes in the movie

Spoiler

BP vs Kidnappers, T'Challa vs M'Baku, Casino/car chase,
T'Challa vs Killmonger & the Final war/fight scene

. All of them were good or great. The CGI in the final fight was "spotty" and folks seem to be overreacting about it.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The first action scene was pretty muddy. But I suspect that shall look better in the small screen ala the trailers.

 

[KevTravels]

i'd argue that the actions scenes as a whole were good-to-great. The only fight scene that "struggled" was t'challa vs. Killmonger in the vibranium cave. That's the last action scene people remember so it colors their opinion of it.

But think about it. There were, what, 5 action scenes in the movie

Spoiler

bp vs kidnappers, t'challa vs m'baku, casino/car chase,
t'challa vs killmonger & the final war/fight scene

. All of them were good or great. The cgi in the final fight was "spotty" and folks seem to be overreacting about it.

^this

 

[KevTravels]

For me, it's Winter Soldier as my no.1 while BP ties with Civil War as my 2nd fav

Glad to see BP/Wakanda being heavily forefront of the promotions for Infinity War.

 

[KevTravels]

It's great that Marvel didn't shoehorn in Cap, Falcon, SW and others just to try and sell BP to all audiences. They let the story focus on him (as it should) and it really resonated.

 

[King_Nomarch]

Some Chinese audiences thought that the movie was too black and PC.

Marvel’s first black superhero film Black Panther made a strong debut in China, taking in more than $63 million this weekend and helping it cross the billion-dollar mark globally. And while the film filled seats in China, it didn’t exactly bring in rave reviews from Chinese audiences—in fact, online reviews hint at subtle racism and discomfort with the all-black cast.

Set in Wakanda, a fictional country in East Africa that’s hidden from the outside world, the movie portrayed a romanticized version of Africa that had never been touched by the white man. Led by a cast of black actors and actresses, the film presented how the king of the country, T’Challa, used his intelligence, ancestral knowledge, and access to advance technologies to become the superhero Black Panther.

But the movie—which comes as a timely portrayal and celebration of blackness half a century after Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination—is hardly resonating with Chinese audiences. On Douban, China’s IMDb-esque platform, the film holds a 6.8 rating out of 10 (link in Chinese)—almost half of science-fiction and action movies rated by Douban users have a better score. Outside of China, Black Panther is on track to become the highest-rated superhero movie, according to Rotten Tomatoes; 97% of reviews from critics have been positive.


Some moviegoers disliked Black Panther because they felt Marvel was trying too hard to be politically correct (link in Chinese). While many reviewers on Douban stopped short of leaving overtly racist comments about the film, many discussed their discomfort of being surrounded by so much blackness.

“Maybe the Chinese are still not used to a film full of black people,” wrote one reviewer on Douban (link in Chinese). The commenter said he had to pinch himself more than 10 times to stay awake during the movie because “Black Panther is black, all the major characters are black, a lot of scenes are black, the car-chasing scene is black—the blackness has really made me drowsy.”

Another reviewer who came into the theater late made a similar observation: “When I entered the theater, a bunch of black people was fighting in the night… I’ve never been in a theater so dark that I couldn’t find my seat.”

Someone else said the experience was worse in 3D (link in Chinese): “The film is filled with black actors and actresses. Also, because the film’s colors are a bit dark, it’s nearly a torture for the eyes to watch the film’s 3D version in the theater.”

It’s yet another reminder of China’s limited exposure to race. Last month, in the annual Lunar New Year TV gala by China’s state broadcaster CCTV, producers had a Chinese actress in blackface and cast a black actor to play a monkey. In October, a Chinese museum hosted an exhibition titled “This is Africa” that juxtaposed images of black people to animals, including monkeys and cheetahs.

Still, Black Panther could be a start for Chinese people to learn about the black culture, argues writer Niesha Davis on Shanghai-based digital publication Sixth Tone. “Exposure to pop culture that encompasses diverse representations of black people can exert a powerful influence on how individuals conceive of them,” Davis wrote.

https://qz.com/1226449/a-torture-for-the-eyes-chinese-moviegoers-think-black-panther-is-too-black/amp/

 

[javonstokess]

^Amazing how much work needs to be done to change people's perceptions around the world.

Hollywood really did a number on black people.