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Bought/Thought 05/12/07

Sure we do. He was using the stone to control the Alien, so they wouldn't be detected by J'onn or anything else. Then he realized later just what he had, and how he could use it, but by that time it was too late. All he could do is cover his ass by convicing Joker to bring back all those people they killed. The original plan was to blow up the watchtower with nukes.


Edit, oh wait, you're talking about the current plan. Never mind.
 
Sure we do. He was using the stone to control the Alien, so they wouldn't be detected by J'onn or anything else. Then he realized later just what he had, and how he could use it, but by that time it was too late. All he could do is cover his ass by convicing Joker to bring back all those people they killed. The original plan was to blow up the watchtower with nukes.


Edit, oh wait, you're talking about the current plan. Never mind.
The current plan seems nonexistent, given that the JLA just kicked his ass.
 
The Luthor/Supervillain army plot should not be used unless they have an awesome plan to go with it. Otherwise it's a waste of time. Coulda been fighting 8th dimensional terror giants from Earth 47 or something.
 
Maybe McDuffie just wanted a throw-away arc to build the League up to something that could handle the big threats. Meltzer didn't leave him with much in the way of powerhouses, after all.
 
Meltzer's arc was one of the most overrated stories I've ever read. :down
 
It didn't suck, it's just not the sorta thing you should waste an arc of the JLA on. Coulda been done in Superman or Action Comics. Metzler doesn't do action, he does character studies, and most of the time, it's awesome. Archers Quest, Identity Crisis, that sorta thing. Maybe this woulda worked better in JLA Classified.
 
Probably. Classified's been the better of the two JLA books for much of Meltzer's run.
 
So, I take it no one knows why the Philosopher's Stone being destroyed caused Darkseid to take over?
 
I'd have to look at the story again. It's been a while since I read it.
 
I think it was because it was probably the only thing that could have stopped him or something.
 
The current plan seems nonexistent, given that the JLA just kicked his ass.

The whole 'Injustice League" thing seems to basically have been a distraction. Luthor all but says so at the end.
 
Meltzer's arc was one of the most overrated stories I've ever read. :down

So is Grant's JLA.I'm not hating,I love Morrison's writing,but I've read the first 2 or 3 parts of his JLA and it's pretty boring in my opinion.I love my dose of action driven cape comics as much as the next guy,although this wasn't my thing.
 
Wasn't Meltzer the one who did that whole "Lightning Saga" thing?
 
Just to make mention, Dread, but they did touch on the Xavier/Jean thing back during the Onslaught saga.
 
Just to make mention, Dread, but they did touch on the Xavier/Jean thing back during the Onslaught saga.

I know, that is why I said, "it took 30 years" for them to touch it after Stan Lee brought it up in one line in the 60's. 30 years as in the 90's. Onslaught. Yeah, I was vague. But I did recall that.

To comment on points I missed replying to about 4 pages ago:

- I really, really, REALLY would like to see SECRET INVASION not mess with what Fraction/Kitson & Co. are doing on THE ORDER. They seemt to have their own thing going and I enjoy that thing. Shameless crossover tie-in's really do very little to help books that are already slipping into sales oblivion besides delay the inevitable. If THE ORDER is destined to die with #12, I'd rather Fraction get in all that he wants on his terms, rather than wasting an issue or two on Skrulls just to add a sloppy 10k to his sales. Of course, I'd like to believe THE ORDER can hang on, survive past issue #12 and go on for years and years, but the cynic in me feels it has no chance. It has new characters, good talent that isn't hyped, rootable characters who manage to be human and NOT jackasses (some writers, like Bendis and Millar, feel the only way to make a character "feel human" is to make them inept, a *****ebag, or both), great art, great stories, and great action. Yeah, it has no chance.

- THE ORDER should eventually run out of characters to "intro", but it won't be for a few issues. They still have Muholland, Milo, and Heavy on the Order squad to do. I imagine Pepper Potts may be worth a go, considering she is a longtime character and is likely worth a Fraction-esque recap, in his own flair. He may even add some bits. That takes us into at least issue #9.

- I wouldn't say I liked the "guest" pencils and colors better than the regular team on THE ORDER, but I did enjoy them and they matched up with Kitson very well, so well that I forgot it was a fill-in. Which means they did their job. Like I said in my review, if THE ORDER #5 is what a fill-in issue of The Order looks like, art wise, bring 'em on.

- As for Skrulls, they do seem capable of duplicating any superpower in their "super soldier" squads now. The Super Skrull, version 1.0 if you will, had the combined FF's powers, plus hypnosis, which is a low level telepathy. Paibok was a more advanced version who could generate ice, electricity, and steel skin. Titannus was able to duplicate strength & durability that argueably was on par with The Hulk (or at least Grey Hulk), which is beyond The Thing's strength class. Lyja the Laserfist also had bio-electric powers, too. There even were apparently Skrull mutants, least around MAXIMUM SECURITY a few years back. This was all before, of course, ILLUMINATI pulled the retcon card and claimed that the Skrulls captured the team during the 70's and experimented on 'em. The fact that the Skrulls can copy powers, avoid detection (they successfully replaced Wolverine on the X-Men for weeks until his identity was discovered via autopsy in the late 90's, despite all the psychics on the various teams) and infiltrate teams isn't the issue with SECRET INVASION; my biggest fear is that Bendis will simply use it as ore for mindless, stupid retcons and then create another event where superheroes are inept jackasses and need some maguffin to solve their problems for them, because they're too busy sucking or fighting to actually stop evil. And that other writers will then have to clean things up. Just imagine if it truly does turn out that Black Bolt and Elektra have been impersonated since the 70's-80's. Imagine all the crap that has to be swept in a Handbook Bio, among other things. Naturally, this hasn't been proven that that has occured. But even the POTENTIAL is disturbing to me.

At the very least, the A:TI ANNUAL at least tries to set a time-table, loosely claiming that the Skrulls have only stepped up their efforts to capitilize on The Initiative, which occured after CW. In "Marvel time", that may have been about a few months back. But whether any of that matters to Bendis is another matter.

- Yeah, The Initiative is ripe with corruption, isn't it? Infiltrated by Skrulls and HYDRA. But to be fair, as others have mentioned, it is being run by the CSA, which is the U.S., and not SHIELD. And the Marvel U.S. has been RIFE with corruption and nasty characters since long before Joe Q's tenure. The CSA, after all, got the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants to do raids to clean up their criminal records, which for some included murder (like Mystique). The government have created no end of nasty monsters, villains, and threats trying to mass-produce either super soldiers or other superheroes (to list them would take a while). Countless villains have been able to "work for Uncle Sam" to clean their slates, and they always go back to crime, and the feds always fall for it. And HYDRA & the Skrulls have infiltrated the government before. As the forces of good increase their ability to detect these moles, the moles would increase their ability to remain hidden.

Now, that doesn't mean I disagree with the idea that post-SHRA, the superhero world has almost as many problems as the SHRA was supposed to fix.
 
At this point, it is worth mentioning my thoughts on Ultimates 3 #1, from Loeb and Joe Mad, which I flipped through and scimmed in the shop. My first impression was that it was a mess. The Millar/Hitch run was plagued by a sluggish release schedule and decompression. Well, Loeb is the total opposite; **** flies at you so fast you have no clue how it got there or why, like driving at 100 MPH behind an open circus trailer. Why the **** is Black Panther there? I don't recall him in the Ultimate U. before, and I read every book for years. Why is Venom suddenly back and randomly attacking them, either looking for Wasp or Black Widow (who has been revealed as alive again, for no ****ing reason other than Joe Mad doesn't have enough breasts to draw, I guess)? Why is Thor's hammer suddenly looking like it does in 616, and now the cool techy-glyph thingie he had before? Why the **** does Hawkeye look like Arsenal and Solid Snake merged via the Siege Perilous? Why the **** should I care that some random broad named Valkyre loves Thor, when she has no connection to the one who was on the Defenders? Oh, and Loeb was kind enough to make the Maximoff's twins' incest outright BLATENT and STATE IT for those of us too STUPID to have caught on by now. When MARK MILLAR is more subtle about a subplot, you really need to re-evaulate stuff. This issue just seemed like Loeb watched TEEN TITANS for 48 hours straight, tabbed some acid, and went to work. "People love random stuff! People love as much flesh on camera with zero buildup as possible! Go Me! I'm exclusive, they can't fire me no matter how ****y I am now!" And the sad, sad, SAD thing is that I can see this **** selling for like 90k copies or more while THE ORDER can barely stay above 30k. Oh, and to prove that Bendis isn't the only writer who randomly kills someone to get the show off the road, Scarlet Witch is killed off by a sniper. Yeah, I ruined the cliffhanger for you. Poor Wanda has no luck ANYWHERE these days. Joe Mad's art is what it is, but it doesn't gell well with ULTIMATES. And I got that ULTIMATE MARVEL preview in my bag for some reason, and anyone who claims that Ultimate Human is about more than printing something, anything, with Iron Man & Hulk in it as they both have movies coming in 2008-2009, is probably full of bull feces.
Loeb said Ultimates 3.1 was going to start off hitting the ground, running, and subsequent issues were going to fill in the events that happened between vol. 2 and 3.1. I imagine Black Panther will be included in that.

Black Widow isn't alive in 3.1. She's still dead...her only appearance is in a sex tape that leaked from when her and Stark were together.

Valkyrie is indeed Defender Valkyrie from vol. 2. Loeb powered her up...we're supposed to find out how it happened in later issues.

I wouldn't call the death of S.W. random just yet. This arc is supposed to act as a murder mystery...the motives behind it are still unknown. I was kinda irked by her death too though...it's bad enough they screwed Wanda in 616; I was hoping Ultimate Wanda would be given a chance to shine.

I'm not saying the book was a masterpiece, but I didn't think it was as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I'm willing to stick it out for awhile...if only for MAD.
 
Zombies vs. Robots vs. Amazons #1
Utterly ridiculous, but also utterly awesome. I love Ashley Wood bunches. :up:
 
I'm not saying the book was a masterpiece, but I didn't think it was as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Yea pretty much.There are countless other books which deserve "worst book ever" far more than this.
 
It didn't suck, it's just not the sorta thing you should waste an arc of the JLA on. Coulda been done in Superman or Action Comics. Metzler doesn't do action, he does character studies, and most of the time, it's awesome. Archers Quest, Identity Crisis, that sorta thing. Maybe this woulda worked better in JLA Classified.

:up:
 
Loeb said Ultimates 3.1 was going to start off hitting the ground, running, and subsequent issues were going to fill in the events that happened between vol. 2 and 3.1. I imagine Black Panther will be included in that.

Black Widow isn't alive in 3.1. She's still dead...her only appearance is in a sex tape that leaked from when her and Stark were together.

Valkyrie is indeed Defender Valkyrie from vol. 2. Loeb powered her up...we're supposed to find out how it happened in later issues.

I wouldn't call the death of S.W. random just yet. This arc is supposed to act as a murder mystery...the motives behind it are still unknown. I was kinda irked by her death too though...it's bad enough they screwed Wanda in 616; I was hoping Ultimate Wanda would be given a chance to shine.

I'm not saying the book was a masterpiece, but I didn't think it was as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I'm willing to stick it out for awhile...if only for MAD.

To each their own. I scimmed it in-store, so I likely missed specifics. What I saw hasn't made me want to buy it, though.
 
Did anyone else get The Infinite Horizon #1 or Resurrection #1? I was thoroughly impressed by both. :up:
 

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