Bought/Thought June 25th, 2008

How about we lock him in a room and, if he generates ideas, great, but if he doesn't, well, at least he's still locked in a room?

Well, there should be some kind of negative reinforcement for not coming up with ideas. Like, we could make him put some of Gambit8370's rants to music and sing them. (Remember Gambit8370? Now that guy hated Bendis.)
 
Of course I remember him. I won a Marvel Legends Hawkeye toy off him. :)

And, really, why not just lock Gambit8370 in the room with him for 10 minutes as punishment? It's more effective and I don't have to sing. :oldrazz:
 
I actually meant that Bendis would have to sing it. But if Gambit8370's there, they can harmonize...

I remember participating in a contest he held to write a NA or Disassmbled story, and everyone (myself included) did it in Bendis' realspeak. Is that the one you're talking about?
 
Nope, I drew a really awful comic strip about Hawkeye taking revenge on Bendis. It wouldn't surprise me if Gambit had done more than a couple of anti-Bendis contests, though. He really didn't like Bendis.
 
I remember that. Explosive crotch arrow. That was awesome.
 
For those who have no idea what we're talking about, it turns out I still have it in my Photobucket album:

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Damn, I really drew that in a rush.
 
Yeah, that's the same one I was in. Now that you post it, I remember it.
 
Bendis is waay too skinny, but other than that, sweet. :up:
 
In my defense, he wasn't as fat back then. But yeah, he's still pretty skinny. Hawkeye is too, in fact.
 
Dread said:
But this now marks the second Marvel project he has been on where he has chosen to pair himself with an artist who CLEARLY cannot handle a monthly schedule. Whedon chooses which artists he collaborates with, so he bares some responsibility for the sluggish rate of his issues. BUFFY issues are never this late, because clearly he puts more care into the creative team there. Marvel's just the weekend gig. Whedon says he cares, but he really doesn't. Actions and results are what matter in the real world, outside Hollywood or Politics, and despite his talent, Whedon simply doesn't get it.
Now this is pretty ridiculous. It couldn't be that Cassaday and Ryan were picked because they're phenomenal artists well-suited to the stories they were assigned to, oh no, it must be because Whedon doesn't care about his work at Marvel
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. And yeah, you're right, it is unfortunate that Whedon -- who, lest we forget, was a newcomer to the medium by reasonable standards at the time he started these stories -- happened to pick a bunch of slowpokes to work on his whopping two gigs at Marvel, but then you had to snark that this must be due to his massive Hollywood Ego(??) getting in the way of functioning in...what, the real world?

Wow.
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You've somehow managed to twist "writer picked late artists" into "writer is spoiled ignoramus who doesn't care about his work." I will admit, that is pretty impressive.
 
Maybe I'm misremembering because it's been a few years, but didn't Ryan get New Excalibur out on a monthly basis?
 
Now this is pretty ridiculous. It couldn't be that Cassaday and Ryan were picked because they're phenomenal artists well-suited to the stories they were assigned to, oh no, it must be because Whedon doesn't care about his work at Marvel
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. And yeah, you're right, it is unfortunate that Whedon -- who, lest we forget, was a newcomer to the medium by reasonable standards at the time he started these stories -- happened to pick a bunch of slowpokes to work on his whopping two gigs at Marvel, but then you had to snark that this must be due to his massive Hollywood Ego(??) getting in the way of functioning in...what, the real world?

Wow.
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You've somehow managed to twist "writer picked late artists" into "writer is spoiled ignoramus who doesn't care about his work." I will admit, that is pretty impressive.

I remember thinking to myself when I read your post agreeing with me about the Bendis/SECRET INVASION situation, "Man, this sure isn't going to last long once I complain about RUNAWAYS."

No artist is so phenomenal that they are worth the kinds of ridiculous delays that accompany both of Whedon's Marvel work. People mocked how long it took Alex Ross & Co. to finish JUSTICE, but in their defense, they said right from the start it would be bimonthly, and anyone who didn't like it taking 2 years to get 12 issues was making a choice.

RUNAWAYS, much like ASTONISHING X-MEN before it, was a monthly. But quickly both fell off the schedule and it took ridiculously long to get two stories finished that, in the end, were generic.

I actually see RUNAWAYS as an improvement over AXM, in that the pace was tighter and it had more fun with the subject matter, while AXM was often more serious (when it wasn't mixed in with slapstick, which works well on TV and not so well with X-Men). But the lateness wasn't an excuse.

To me, Whedon is simply another Hollywood writer who comes into comics, takes a million years to produce a mediocre story with good parts to it, and really doesn't give a flying **** about things like a schedule. More people read the comics monthly than EVER will read it in trade, and things like timely issues matter. RUNAWAYS especially had a storyline complicated with about every character idea Whedon ever had, and gaps of 3-4 months between issues really sapped my will to give a damn.

The part that REALLY gets my goat? Whedon, and Heinberg, and Kevin Smith, and whatever dip**** did ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK, and other Hollywood braggarts, know damn well the importance of schedule. Scripts for movies and especially TV shows have to be ON TIME. No excuses. An episode has to be completed ON SCHEDULE. Every piece of the chain, from writers, actors, editors, lighting specialists, etc. have to be working, and it one cog can't cut the mustard, they are sacked. And these same guys who can get serious and handle that kind of work for Hollywood usually don't give one hundredth of a percent of a **** when it comes to a monthly comic gig. They just like comics, and want to dip a toe in. And Marvel (as well as DC) are always happy to oblige, like that dork who gets shoved into a locker by the "cool kids" who all but walks into every set-up line.

Whedon isn't the worst offender; unlike Kevin Smith, he actually finished all his commissioned stories. I just find it funny that in no way are his BUFFY comics nearly as delayed. Why? Because he knows to put in fill-in talent when things get slow. But heaven forbid that happen for AXM or RUNAWAYS. I mean, especially RUNAWAYS. He was a "fanboy" of that. What fanboy wants to wait 4 months between issues!? NONE. So what did he do to replicate that matter? Nothing. Whoops, just the artist.

It may come as an incredible shock to Whedon's #1 Patsy Cheerleader on SHH, but there are artists besides Ryan who could have drawn that 6 issue run. They even could have finished it in a faster pace than, say, 14 months for 6 issues. Whedon picked none of them. Once the delays got ridiculous midway through, he could have tried getting another. He didn't. Nope, like a lot of writers, he simply believed his fun-yet-generic storyline was THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and worthy of any length of delay.

No, maybe it isn't completely fair that I rag on Whedon for simply being part of a dysfunctional pattern. But RUNAWAYS #30 came up, and that's just how I felt like venting. I actually liked the run more than some others; plenty of fans found it abysmal in the old RUNAWAYS topic. I at least would give it a B- grade. I mean, that was good enough of a grade to get me out of ITALIAN 202 in college. :p
 
Maybe I'm misremembering because it's been a few years, but didn't Ryan get New Excalibur out on a monthly basis?

Yes, he did...for about 3 issues. Then the fill-in artists started coming in.
 
As I was reading your rant, Dread, it occurred to me: aren't these delays made all the worse by the fact that there was a writer's strike in Hollywood? I mean, what the hell are these guys so busy writing that they can't finish their other projects.
 
As I was reading your rant, Dread, it occurred to me: aren't these delays made all the worse by the fact that there was a writer's strike in Hollywood? I mean, what the hell are these guys so busy writing that they can't finish their other projects.

Protest signs. ;)

Seriously, during that whole strike, I thought, "Y'know, if Marvel can't even use these few months to at least get a PLOT OUTLINE from Heinberg for YOUNG AVENGERS VOL. 2, they NEVER will."

And guess what happened? They never will. Now YA exists from mini to mini as if it was VENOM from the 90's and their audience has plummeted over 50%. What once was a Top 30 selling franchise is now stuck in the Bottom 70 due to the lack of any real momentum. Brilliant, guys! :up:

I guess maybe I am a bit harsh on Whedon. Lord knows I show favoritism towards some writers myself. But whenever a writer reaches a point of near slavish devotion from a segment of fans, that sort of hits a button from me. I mean, I never saw what was so hot about BUFFY and ANGEL. Whenever I saw an episode, I just saw a rather formulaic production meant to appeal to teens that spiffed itself up with one-liners, which sometimes were funny. Granted, a lot of his fans were teens when BUFFY showed up, so here you go. Much like I was a toddler when reruns of SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS was airing in syndication on NBC, and despite how hammy that show was, I can't really bash it.
 
And the worst part is, I remember that everyone here was primed to hate (H-A-T-E) YA. Being in the aftermath of Disassembled, and one of the characters having a name like Hulkling ( I remember that getting skewered), this title had absolutely everything going against it, and it still succeeded. And Marvel seriously dropped the ball. That one I will put right in the lap of JQ, because once it became apparent that the delay would be more than a few months, he should have contracted it out to someone else. Even if they were filler issues.
 
I guess I get angry that it seems a sense of professionalism about comics has vanished, or at least doesn't seem to be taken as seriously by some in the Hollywood community when they do "part time" work there.

As a professional, I want all my projects to ship out on time. And when they can't, I feel genuinely bad about it and seek to do faster every time after. I don't get that sense from a lot of these lot of writers. I simply see a massive sense of entitlement.
 
Ironically, it's the one flaw that Bendis doesn't have. If anything, he delivers his projects early (of course, it saves a lot of time not doing any research...)
 
Ironically, it's the one flaw that Bendis doesn't have. If anything, he delivers his projects early (of course, it saves a lot of time not doing any research...)

Touche'.
 
By the way Dread, I know you're not reading it anymore, but in the issue before last of USM, Spidey got kidnapped by the Shocker, and...you might need to sit down for this... gets his mask taken off! When I saw that, my first thought was, "Man, I wish Dread were still reading..."
 
Have you ever noticed that I only ever respond to your Whedon rants when you start spouting straight-up bull****? Well, just take my word for it, then.

All of this is entirely invalidated by one simple, single fact: Whedon turned in all his scripts on time. He did his job, and by no stretch of "professionalism" was he ever required to do anything more than that. It is not his job to light matches under the asses of his artists (though I can't imagine how you've managed to ascertain that he didn't do that). It is not his job to enforce Marvel's tardiness policies. You group him with Heinberg, Smith, and whichever cumbucket was responsible for Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk, which simply makes no sense even by the standards that you're utilizing because they did not turn in timely scripts. You are quite literally reaching for an excuse to bash Whedon here. He picked late artists when he should have known better? Fine, you could argue that. He kept on using those artists when they were late? Fine, I'm not entirely sure when he became a Marvel editor, but okay that's arguable too. But he is not a late writer, which comprise the vast majority of your rantings here. Not only are you trying to hold him entirely responsible for the tardiness of his stories, you've also managed to implicate that he does so out of his rampant Hollywood egoism which you know all about because, I dunno, magic or whatever. Like I said, straight-up bull****. I've no doubt that lateness is a huge problem in the industry. I'm not happy about it either. I also place the venting where it belongs. Or do you also blame Cheung for the fact that we don't have new Young Avengers issues yet?

Incidentally, in the interest of correction, all arc-formatted issues of Buffy have been drawn by the same artist: Georges Jeanty. It's only the standalone issues which have used different artists, probably because they're standalones. No one has been "switched out" or something.
 
whichever cumbucket was responsible for Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk

Mark Millar.

**** he can't even blame Hollywood, dude's just a *****e.
 

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