Bought/Thought May 3rd

[Calendar Man]

I bought Civil War but haven't read it yet. I am currently living in IC #7 world and it is good. Same thing for The Thing #6, loved #5 though.

 

[Lackey]

I liked Civil War, it was very good... but I couldn't help draw parallels with this and Bendis's Powers and JMS's Rising Stars and Supreme Power... it seems like they're pulling in elements from those comics into the Marvel Universe. Some would say that's not a bad thing, but I just wish that this big event was more fresh.

The mother coming after Tony Stark at the funeral wasn't written too well... her words didn't match her emotions.
Also, I don't like that the two "smart guys" are on the same side (Tony Stark and Reed Richards), it makes it uneven. IMO, I feel Richards would be against the registration act. I think it would also make for a more compelling story having a family man who doesn't wear a mask, has usually done things 'by the book,' and is one of the greatest minds on the planet be against the government on this.

 

[moffball]

The mother coming after Tony Stark at the funeral wasn't written too well... her words didn't match her emotions.

I agree, it seemed like her dialog was taken straight from all the publicity we've seen that makes the argument for the Registration Act, the same stuff that Millar, Quesada, and others have been saying, not a grief-stricken mother.

 

[roach]

I guess there is something wrong with me or maybe I am just prejudiced against Marvel comics(but I did like MK...hmmmm). This issue seemed to hinge on some pretty impossible things happening.....
1) The New Warriors complete incompetence(why is Speedball being blamed for this when he isnt the team leader?????)
2) Shield asks Cap to help them take down the heroes who dont comply with registration IF/WHEN it gets passed. The law hasnt even been passed and already people are lining up to fight each other?????
3) The Watcher showing up. Sure I miss the big guy but doesnt he usually show up when the universe is in peril...I cant imagine him watching C-Span to see what measures are getting passed in the US government.
4)The pros and cons of registration wasnt explained. Seems to me that the heroes would get benefits and get paid but the bad side wasnt explained. Where was it stated that they had to give up their identity to the government?????
5)Why would Captain America be the one to voice a distrust of the government pointing the heroes at the enemy....when the government has been pointing him at the enemy(in one form or another) most of his life.

 

[BlackSymbiote]

Ah, taking after the Punisher I see. I wonder if Frank will show up in CW?

Where have you been? It's been known for weeks at least that Punisher will get another ongoing because of the events in Civil War, and it's already been stated that he will be in it.

 

[GNR]

Thing #6 looked really rough,sketchy,and unfinished in some places.If it wasn't for Slott's writing,I wouldn't have gotten this.I hope Dwyer tightens up on the art chores.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I wanna start a petition to ban th' word "iconic" from th' boards. I swear to god I'm sick of hearin' it.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

Another nitpick, albeit a bit more significant: Someone brought up in the other Civil War thread that it's simply not realistic for Millar to say that there are no "right" sides in this war because just by having Captan America take sides you are inherently advocating that the side he is on is better than the other, and I think that sense is very prominent in this issue. Isn't he supposed to be "the" hero, after all? Isn't he supposed to be the flawless, shiny-toothed emblem of morality in this universe? Iron Man isn't as iconic, Spider-Man's the fallible everyman, and Wolverine is the anti-hero, but Cap is The Man. He's the symbol, the icon. When you have him say, "This is wrong," how exactly do you effectively argue the ambiguity of the issue...especially when you're proposing that the other side isn't completely right, either? And especially moreso when the most present voice arguing against him in this issue is Agent Hill, who's being written as a sneering, posturing, unlikeable bully...pretty much the way that most corrupt government officials get written.

The thing here though is that while they are definately making it difficult for themselves by putting Cap on one side, they really do seem to be writing it very unbiased. The whole "Aren't Supervillains people that put on masks and break the law?" line was very well delivered, and the tone surrounding the accident and the public backlash does seem to make the Registration a much more logical route for the public to want to take.

Starting out, I didn't think there was anyway that anyone would really be for the registration (out of readers that is), but this issue did a lot of work to show that you definatly wouldn't be wrong to support it, and you're still not wrong if you oppose it.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, this is one of those grey topics where I can see both sides and really can't decide myself which would be the right path.

 

[Lackey]

Am I the only one that thinks Dr. Strange wouldn't be hanging around with all the other heroes like he was... I mean, shouldn't he have been off meditating or something?

 

[AndThePickles]

I don't have time to write a long review so:

Civil War and Exiles = FABULOUS

Kinda upset about Morph though

 

[Darthphere]

Am I the only one that thinks Dr. Strange wouldn't be hanging around with all the other heroes like he was... I mean, shouldn't he have been off meditating or something?

They had donuts.

 

[Darthphere]

I guess there is something wrong with me or maybe I am just prejudiced against Marvel comics(but I did like MK...hmmmm). This issue seemed to hinge on some pretty impossible things happening.....
1) The New Warriors complete incompetence(why is Speedball being blamed for this when he isnt the team leader?????)

Speedball was the one who went forward with it and was caught on cmaera trying to convinve his teammates to go after villains after his other teammates told him he was out of his league, but he wanted ratings.

2) Shield asks Cap to help them take down the heroes who dont comply with registration IF/WHEN it gets passed. The law hasnt even been passed and already people are lining up to fight each other?????

Maria Hill is a *****, but shes a smart *****. She said in the issue that the law was probably going to pass and they werent going to go into this halfcocked was the term she used I believe. She knew what was going to go down once the law passed and wanted to be prepared.

3) The Watcher showing up. Sure I miss the big guy but doesnt he usually show up when the universe is in peril...I cant imagine him watching C-Span to see what measures are getting passed in the US government.

Well the Watcher gets bored out there all by himself. And Dr. Strange said he only shows up in times of great peril. I think having the USA in the midst of a war between heroes is a time of peril. The Watcher has to watch this happen *rimshot*

4)The pros and cons of registration wasnt explained. Seems to me that the heroes would get benefits and get paid but the bad side wasnt explained. Where was it stated that they had to give up their identity to the government?????

Yellowjacket said why should they be able to hide behind masks. It wasnt said outright but implied that they would have to give up their identities. And why should they have to work for the government. Wasp said they'd become civil servants, they pretty much work for the government. And Cap said that he wont have Washington telling them who is a Super villain and who isnt.

5)Why would Captain America be the one to voice a distrust of the government pointing the heroes at the enemy....when the government has been pointing him at the enemy(in one form or another) most of his life.

It all comes down to perception and political interests. Like how he wanted to take down Lukin but was stopped due to political mumbo jumbo. If he finds Osama, he wants to take him down, he doesnt want the government telling him he cant take him down to to some political loophole. Cap has worked outside the law plenty of times.

 

[roach]

So what you are saying is that I am prejudiced against Marvel????

 

[Darthphere]

So what you are saying is that I am prejudiced against Marvel????

No, where did you get that?

 

[GNR]

So what you are saying is that I am prejudiced against Marvel????

Judging from alot of your posts on here,I wouldn't say you're prejudiced against Marvel.But you do seem to harbor a great deal of hatred for alot of the books they produce and those in charge.

 

[Darthphere]

I think he meant it as a joke GNR.

 

[roach]

I think I was semi joking. I had mentioned in in my original rant post. I just hate to see the way things are with Marvel. I love these characters to death and it seems like the guys on the books dont even respect that. Read any interview with a creator on a DC book and then compare it to the way some creators speak about the characters on Marvel books...and it makes you wonder why these guys are in this business

 

[GNR]

Marvel's guys come off as average joes and I don't mind that.Average Joe's are what we need,people in touch with what current and potential readers want to read about and what is relevant.The last thing I want is someone in charge whose main focus are the type of fans who have been reading DC since Crisis on Infinite Earths back in the 80s.

 

[rjb182]

Read any interview with a creator on a DC book and then compare it to the way some creators speak about the characters on Marvel books...and it makes you wonder why these guys are in this business

That's why I often shy from reading interviews... with movie stars, directors, comic book creators, or anybody behind-the-scenes. I'm interested in the work they do; more often than not, when I find out what they were thinking, it bugs me. Often I find out that I take what they do for a living more seriously than they do, and if that's the case I'd rather not know it.

Anyway...

The only comic I bought yesterday-- being still rather new to all this-- was Civil War #1. I agree with the general consensus of positive reviews. Good action, great debate... very much what I was hoping to see at this stage.

Although I must be the only guy who's not rooting for Cap. I thought he came off as being rather huffy and pig-headed, and found his big scene to be a little overblown. I knew I disagreed with him on the registration thing, but I didn't expect to be rooting for SHIELD to take him down...

But kudos to them for writing a book where I can so disagree with the hero and feel like it's a difference of opinion, not bad writing. I'm very interested to see where all this goes...

 

[GNR]

Despite what many anit-Marvelites say,there is no denying the quality of some of the books they're currently producing.Having said that,I bet DC is as well,I just don't read DC so I'm not going to trash them or anything.In my personal opinion,Justice is very accessible and epic.One of the best comics I've been reading since getting back into it all.

 

[Darthphere]

I think I was semi joking. I had mentioned in in my original rant post. I just hate to see the way things are with Marvel. I love these characters to death and it seems like the guys on the books dont even respect that. Read any interview with a creator on a DC book and then compare it to the way some creators speak about the characters on Marvel books...and it makes you wonder why these guys are in this business

I get you, I just remember Ellis talking about Nextwave and how he was going to change the characyters because HE didnt like the way they were. Im sure Nextwave is a great book, but I refuse to buy it.

 

[roach]

I remember Millar saying in an interview for CW that he didnt mind killing off characters but hated the backlash because someone was a fan of that "stupid character".

 

[Darthphere]

I remember Millar saying in an interview for CW that he didnt mind killing off characters but hated the backlash because someone was a fan of that "stupid character".

Really? He said the exact opposite of that in a Marvel podcast.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, someone is always someone's favorite character. No matter how well th' death, ya know there's gonna be *****ing, threats to stop readin, threats in general...