BOUGHT/THOUGHT Thread for 6/21/06: SPOILERS Inside!

I wish both Ultimates and Wolverine vs Hulk were on time because I'm pretty sure we weren't supposed to see Hulk back in America before reading his book with Logan.
 
Fine im be a little to harsh i'll give it a 3 out of 10 but nothing really great nor impotant really happen. The only good thing was seeing what the wasp can do at full size which is really cool.
 
Colossal Spoons said:
I wish both Ultimates and Wolverine vs Hulk were on time because I'm pretty sure we weren't supposed to see Hulk back in America before reading his book with Logan.

Yup, that totally killed the mini now....:(
 
Dread said:
Amazingly, the issue also offers something I doubted I would see from someone other than Mark Millar; making Pres. Bush seem more "evil" than Agent Hill, who all but seems reasonable in this issue. Yes, the President was breathlessly ordering a nuke strike on Genosha, regardless of the Avengers or SHIELD agents possibly being killed in the blast (even promising to "make their sacrificed seem worthy" and whatnot), even after being the one who pressured Hill into "throwing the Avengers" at the threat. Bullocks. In today's day and age, soldiers can't even kill a terrorist without being depicted as thugs, and the Pres. butchered in the media; does Bendis honestly want me to believe that if a premire team of superheroes existed in America, and had protected her from threats for a good 10 years, that ANY president would at the drop of a hat consider them "expendable"? Baloney. Despite how "evil" liberals make America seem during times of war, the nation is still a very individualistic one; we care more about the individual than about "the whole", hence why the loss of every soldier makes us feel pain, and why criminals are afforded so much legal leeway; most other places are about "the good of the whole" and the individual can basically screw themselves. I just had a hard time buying Bush, or ANY president for that matter, being so ruthless and making Hill look like a humanitarian in comparison

While I'm not going to disagree with you completely, let's not forget that their is an "anti-super-hero" mindset in Washington at the time of this story, so the loss of a Super-Team would be worth it for the greater gain.

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Themanofbat said:
While I'm not going to disagree with you completely, let's not forget that their is an "anti-super-hero" mindset in Washington at the time of this story, so the loss of a Super-Team would be worth it for the greater gain.

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True, but it just seems unlikely that any President should want to nuke the Avengers especially after ORDERING them to be sent to combat Collective, especially a guy named CAPTAIN AMERICA. Even if Cap becomes a rebellion figure, offing him would be the equalivent to shooting John Wayne live on a stage. It just seems almost inhumanly unreasonable.

Your point is true, which only goes to show what ingrates Marvel's government usually is. The heroes have a right not to trust it. They pardon any supervillian who wants to play soldier and turn against them for the flimsiest of reasons.
 
Giant-Size Hulk- PICK OF THE WEEK! Awesome value. Two brand new stories, both of which are fun, and a reprint of a hard-to-find classic. Even if you aren't a big fan of the Hulk, this is a steal at $5. 9/10

Last Planet Standing- I'm enjoying this mini a lot more than last summer's Last Hero Standing. This just feels like an old-school Marvel cosmic cross-over. Awesome art by Oliffe, and a lot of fun. Next issue should be intense. 9/10

New Avengers- Very interesting issue. The opener, with Magneto writing what appears to be his memoirs, is very interesting. De-powered Magneto is a very compelling idea. It's a shame that the next time we see Erik (chill fanboys, he'll be back) he'll probably have his powers back. Ah well. Anyway, Bendis ties up a lot of loose ends with this issue, even bringing back an enemy I didn't expect. Interesting twist. I'm guessing that "Quake" will be showing up in New Avengers after Civil War. Also of note: Maria Hill makes her first non-***** appearence, resulting in a nice set-up for Iron Man's place in Civil War. 8/10

Astonishing X-Men- This didn't have the same strength as the last couple issues. In all honesty, the X-Men really aren't the highlight of the issue. SWORD and a couple of past villains made the issue a lot more entertaining for me. Emma seems conflicted on this, and I hope she stays that way. I'm giving Whedon the benefit of the doubt here, but I don't like the idea of her betraying her fellow X-Men. Hopefully she knew what she was doing recruiting Kitty, who seems to be the one destined to kick the Club's ass. 8/10

Justice- What can I say that I haven't already before? This series is far more compelling than anything that occurred in Infinite Crisis. The villians are deadlier, the art's much better, and there's a story. This issue seems to get bogged down a little bit with a LOT happening at once, but it's still a fine read. 8/10

Captain America- Bucky, Brits, and bombs, oh my! Union Jack and Spitfire provide some fun, and next issue should be great. 8/10

Excaliber- Looks like a set-up for Psylock in Exiles. We finally see the origin of the "Shadow X-Men", but it feels like everything gets wrapped up too quickly. Looking more forward to Tieri's upcoming stuff. 7/10
 
BOUGHT:
52 Week 7
Annihilation Nova 3
Army of Darkness 8
Astonishing X-Men 15
Birds of Prey 95
Captain America 19
Eternals 1
Flash The Fastest Man Alive 1
Giant Size Hulk 1
Haunt of Horror Edgar Allen Poe 2
Iron Man 9
Last Planet Standing 4
Marvel Adventures Avengers 2
Marvel Westerns Outlaw Files
New Avengers 20
New Excalibur 8
Superman Batman 27
Superman Returns Lex Luthor
Ultimates 2 #11
Uncanny X-Men Annual 1

THOUGHT:
52 Week 7 - Booster's ride is over and the new/old Batwoman is introduced. Nice to see the story finally coming together and starting to progress.

Annihilation Nova 3 - The weakest of the Nova's so far. I wasn't impressed, but it was still pretty good. Mostly just a huge debate over if they should stay and fight or help people escape. Next: Annihilation!

Army of Darkness 8 - Ash heads to NY where Dracula is amassing his army. Almost felt like they were following the Van Helsing movie ways of monsters. Other than that, the series is really starting to drag. The novelty of their current approach has begun to wear off.

Astonishing X-Men 15 - The Hellfire Club kicks some ass and the X-Men can't do a thing about it. Who knew Wolverine would sound British as a little kid. Plus, awesome last page. Nice little symmetry.

Birds of Prey 95 - The crime doctor is dead and Black Canary is back. I don't think I was able to fully grasp the story as I have no clue about these characters, but I enjoyed it. See if the next arc keeps me on the book.

Captain America 19 - Cap and Union Jack take on Master Man as the skull's plans move forward. Suspense is building.

Flash The Fastest Man Alive 1 - This one got me a little lost. There were like flash blacks, flash forwards, and I think there was even a flash sideways. Hopefully the next issue can clear up some of this one.

Haunt of Horror Edgar Allen Poe 2 - More works of Poe. Art wasn't as good this time around, but what can ya do.

Iron Man 9 - Well that's a damn fine mystery. Just when ya think ya got the story, it throws ya for a curve...and then it gives you another one saying your first thought was right. A vast improvement over that first arc for sure (plus it's on time, too). However, Nick Fury? Still in charge at SHIELD? Uhhhh, okay....

Last Planet Standing 4 - Galactus is here and the heroes can do little to stop him. And next...the Silver Surfer! Man, are we gonna have a battle!

Marvel Adventures Avengers 2 - I regard this as the Spidey & His Amazing Friends of the Avengers. It's the Avengers, but not quite. The stories are actually pretty good, and this is some extremely decent artwork for an MA title. Not to mention I got some laughs out of a couple of the jokes.

Marvel Westerns Outlaw Files - Another cleverly done handbook with "news clippings" and "files" making up the entries. These things show some real creativity missing from too many titles.

New Avengers 20 - In true Bendis fashion, the stars of the book CAN'T defeat the bad guy WITHOUT some outside help. That's right, Bendis' Angelina Jolie Secret War wetdream returns to take out the force now possessing Magneto. And if her brain burst didn't kill him, getting blown up in a helicopter sure did. Of course, there's no proof of a death so he'll be back. Plus, Michael's got powers now. Will he be friend...or foe? Not to mention Director Hill's out of left field change of heart towards the Avengers. Overall, not impressed.

New Excalibur 8 - I think I missed something about Psylocke. Anyways, we learn about evil Xavier just in time for some major beatdowns. Issue was substantially better than the first 7 although the story is still progressing pretty slow. I love the art the most.

Superman Batman 27 - Loeb's gone but this title is STILL weird. We get an unexplained future team-up, body switching, and then it all turns out to be a dream leading into the current SG arc. They should seriously retitle the damn thing THE STRANGE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN/BATMAN or something. At least it was comprehensible in a nonsensical kinda way: no dimension hopping. Oh, and CATWOMAN readers shouldn't read this as it possibly spoils the story in that book.

Superman Returns Lex Luthor - This book didn't tie into the movies as well as the first two. Where most of the recaps were taken right from the movie, these were more "ad libbed" to be close enough. Still an interesting read.

Ultimates 2 #11 - The Ultimates Reassemble in a big way to beat the threat and reclaim America. Plus, Thor and Loki; gods or not? Gonna be some major ass-kicking next issue.
 
wtf is up with all star superman? jimmy olson was wearing a ****ing bra and you guys have the gulls to complain about nightwing being a male model so he can bang some chick? this book is ****ing nonsence.

im taking a crap on it then its going on ebay
 
Assassin said:
wtf is up with all star superman? jimmy olson was wearing a ****ing bra and you guys have the gulls to complain about nightwing being a male model so he can bang some chick? this book is ****ing nonsence.

im taking a crap on it then its going on ebay
Considering how hot the series is, I'd suggest selling it on eBay after you grade it and before you crap on it. ;)

As for the cross-dressing, you have to understand that Morrison is homaging past incarnations of the Superman books, including some of the 50's-70's stuff, including LOIS LANE and JIMMY OLSON books (which at the time, sold very well). In JIMMY OLSON comics, he had all sorts of crazy adventures that included being turned into aliens, having mundane challenges with Superman, travelling to far out worlds, and yes, even cross-dressing (or "going in disguise"). You can see a lot of the covers of these comics at www.superdickery.com .

ALL-STAR SUPERMAN's not for everyone, admittedly. As it is, I enjoy it, but its far from my favorite title.
 
But the thing is, those books are DEAD and GONE fer a reason.
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
But the thing is, those books are DEAD and GONE fer a reason.
Low sales. :p

Yes, I get your point. Just I sort of appreciate someone once in a while not being afraid of "old school camp", especially since "grim and gritty" has become almost as ridiculous and tedious if overused. Morrison also manages to come up with some interesting angles.

That said, as I stated in my review, the last 3 issues of ALL-STAR SUPERMAN sort of feel like "filler" stories and aren't exciting or dramatic enough to really make waiting 2-3 months for an issue worth it. JUSTICE, ASTONISHING X-MEN, even ULTIMATES 2 all have far more pulse-pounding stories to make up for the wait most times. And while the homages are nice, I suppose the age of decompression has gotten to me and I wouldn't mind a bit of a storyline. Heck, the fact that Superman is dying wasn't even mentioned, and that's been the only real "subplot" of the tale. And I agree that even with some clever ideas, Morrison may have a hard time selling most moderate readers on "Golden/Silver Age Cheese, only Updated to the 21st Century".

Its an aquired taste, much like many vegatables. Thankfully, ASS is a rare title.
 
i do understand where he's coming from, i infact have a few jimmy olsens including the first apperance of darkseid (yes, he debuted in a ****ing jimmy olsen book) but i still think this book in nonsence.
 
just read ultimates 2 #11, and who ever rate dthis a 1/10 is stupid, its atleast a 8.7, now i have to wait 8 more months for issue #12
 
Wha? You mean Morrison writing something really weird and unusual, get out of here!
 
i like Millers wierd and unusual batman book better
 
Ultimates - So I guess it's confirmed that Loki and Thor are actual gods now. Loved seeing Spidey, Thing, Sue, Jean, Colossus, and Bobby in handcuffs. :D
 
Assassin said:
just read ultimates 2 #11, and who ever rate dthis a 1/10 is stupid, its atleast a 8.7, now i have to wait 8 more months for issue #12
:( thants not a nice thing to say. But ultimates 11 was a hugh let down and if you looked at my other post I decided to change it and made it a 3.
 
it was still action packed and exciting, im just mad that it wasnt enough
 
I never read the whole ONSLAUGHT story line back in the 90's.....it was during the time when I left comics for some years......but I was wondering.............could the events in New Avengers #20 be a setup for next year's suppsoed ONSLAUGHT REBORN event???
 
B.U.M. said:
Ultimates - So I guess it's confirmed that Loki and Thor are actual gods now. Loved seeing Spidey, Thing, Sue, Jean, Colossus, and Bobby in handcuffs. :D
When I read that scene, in that back of my mind I thought "Peter's mask would be off if Bendis had wrote it."
 
I dont get how poeple think Hulk showing up at the end of Ultimates ruins Ult Woverine vs Hulk. Whats so suprising, you all know Hulk would eventually come back to America.
 
supermarvelman said:
I dont get how poeple think Hulk showing up at the end of Ultimates ruins Ult Woverine vs Hulk. Whats so suprising, you all know Hulk would eventually come back to America.
Yeah it doesn't change the fact that we all want to see the darn fight already. By the way Banner/Hulk spoke at the end of ish 2, i knew that there had been a merging of minds, similiar to 616 Hulk.
 

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