BOUGHT/THOUGHT Thread for 6/21/06: SPOILERS Inside!

[gildea]

The batman books are good at the moment but they're about to get so much better.

Grant morrison ?

PAUL DINI??

SOLD!!

 

[Darthphere]

Out.

 

[D-day]

He seems pretty dead at this point. I mean Rogue even absorbed his powers.

Yeah but she absorbed Ms Marvels powers in 616 universe and she's still alive and kicking.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Not really.

K, cool. I'll check out OYL first then.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

If you pick any books, last month was a perfect starting point. DC shot one year ahead, so no one really knows what happened in the missing year. Basically, every book is starting fresh, and none of us really knows what is going on.

Also, 52 is a weekly book that explains what happened during the missing year. One for each week.

I would say Outsiders, Teen Titans, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman. Plus the Superman books and Batman books have been solid. JSA and JLA are getting relaunches very soon here, too.

if JLA or JSA get relaunched as u sed then i'll pick some up. the thing about jumping one year ahead i wont know what dialogue im sposed to understand and sposed not to. get me? what happened in that year anyway? superman was depowered right? dya know how yet or did that happen during that year? also where did some of the big heroes disappear to? ie. whhhhy are DC jumping forward a year. i reall y want to collect 52 cos its not selling at my local comic shop but i'll havta shell out every week and i cant. (thats y i figured it wasnt selling)

 

[Doc Destruction]

ALL of us are lost, that's the point

 

[Anubis]

During Infinate Crisis, Supes lost his powers when he and Earth 2 Supes pushed and insane and extreemly powerful Superboy from Earth Prime through a Kryptonite astaroid field and then through a Red Son. His powers were burnt out for a year. Batman went to retrace his journey around the world with Nightwing and Robin. Trying to figure out why he became such a *****e bag over the years. Wonder Woman also went to kinda find herself. What with Themiscara and the Gods leaving behind this plane of exsistance. DC jumped ahead a year so they could start fresh. It's as simple as that. Infinate Crisis really took the heros to the brink. All hell had broken loose. So, this gave them a way to make some changes to they're characters. Like for instance, Green Arrow is mayor of Star City. Other countries seem to be developing they're own superheros and taking a hard stance on the US heros sticking they're noses in they're business. And lots of other stuff.

 

[gildea]

Right bought loads of books but only going to review one.

All Star Superman #4
It seems morrison has his over arching plot but also wishes to give us his take on the classic stories from superman's past. Last it was lois lane this time it's jimmy olsen.

Morrison does something very difficult here, he makes jimmy olsen cool. He is not a hanger on, he is not there to only be rescued he is smart, resourceful and commited. He makes him worthy of being described as superman's "pal". But I digress and I want to do this review methodically.

Page 1
Set up, we are informed that Jimmy is a big deal in metropolis, firstly he's news worthy and secondly looking at all the trinkets in his apartment we know he has seen some interesting things. WE also get a cheeky nod to his cross dressing habit (thank you superdickery). I also want to give props to quitely's first panel, the expression of disappointment and disdain on lucy's face is excellent.

Pages 2-5
Jimmy goes on adventures and then writes about them, genius. I envy him. You should too. We get to ride along for his latest column, which instantly gives him the wardrobe of the best dressed man in the city (see jimmy olsen has it made). Again some excellent body language from quitely, the "picture this" panel was excellent and so natural. We also get some of morrisons trademarked super concepts, he mentions stuff in passing that other writers would get a full series out of.

Page 6
The plot is set up. Upon readin this the first time I thought it was just a cute nod to alter superman tales.

Pages 7-9
A modern spin on classic jimmy olsen tales would certainly need him rescued by superman at least once and here it is. Again more morrison conceptual craziness.

Pages 10-14
More quitely brilliance. A simply framed scene of two people just talking but supermans struggle, body language and facial expresions as he gradually becomes evil are brilliant. We also see the steel beneath jimmy's exterior, The look of determination on his face as he says "he's saved my life.." lets you know that superman is not going to be killed by P.R.O.J.E.C.T. on his watch.

Pages 15-16
Jimmy takes a risk. Firstly he tries one last time to get through to superman and fails. We then learn he has project doomsday with him, we are warned that he needs a trigger to prevent himself from being overwhelemed, he asures us he has thought of everything.

Pages 17-19
Doomsday! I did not see this coming in all star. But here it is and not only does it nod towards later comics but we really couldn't have a jimmy olsen tale without him getting super powers now could we?? We also learn that he has set up the hypnotic trigger to be his indestructable watch alarm. Smart lad. My main criticism of this book would have to lie here, if you're going to wheel out doomsday I would have liked a better fight scene from it.

Page 20.
Jimmy saves superman and more still he wants to protect him when he is vurnerable.

Page 21.
The look of embarassment on supermans face in the second panel is pricelessly awkward. Jimmy isn't going to tell this tale either, nice touch.We also learn as an aside that jimmy is a computer whizz and that superman genuinely does rely on him. Again some classic morrison (and account with and infinity sign lol).

Page 22.
Well we started with jimmy getting accosted because of his shoddy wardrobe and another man was taking his girl to a show. Now he's had access to the best wardrobe in town (which it turns out wasn't that good) and has VIP passes to the show which the "other man" couldn't attend after all. He's also managed to write a love note to his girl on the moon.

I want to be jimmy olsen.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Fer th' record, Hobbit, I wasn't *****in' about Magneto's death. That was a SUMMARY sentence. I was very happy when Mags was killed off the last time, but noooo...hadda retcon that to be Xorn.

What I did ***** about that issue was Bendis' typical bull****; crappy writin', crappy plots, crappy stories, just plain crap.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Ever think the board was glitchin' when I posted, you jackass?

 

[Wilderbeast]

stop dobling posting, especally when its the same ol crap about bendis. the man sells millons, it's clearr that most peeps enjoy his stuff. you whiners are a minoraty.

i bought all the marvel stuff and it was all 10-10. the dc stuff was horrible, esepcially batman's 1 yeer later with 2 face. come on, 2 face?! the art was terrible and the story sucks.

 

[Marcdachamp]

I read and enjoyed Batman: Hush, Identity Crisis, and Green Lantern Rebirth. Outsiders were okay for a while (I borrowed my brother-in-law's copies), but I lost interest in them quickly. I tried to read the minis leading up to Infinite Crisis but I got bored. Then I tried Infinitie Crisis itself, and while there were some cool scenes, overall I didn't really care about it. The only ongoing thing that I've tried to read that's caught my attention is the whole Jason Todd thing with Batman. I've given a few other titles a shot, but just couldn't get into them.

I really don't get the people that think Infinite Crisis was so friggin' awesome. I thought it had it's moments, but the story was non-existent. Instead it was a series of crazy events where nameless characters get blown up good. At least in Civil War, the readers knew the New Warriors names. Superboy ran through crappy characters without anyone caring. It's like the other DC heroes thought "Meh, he hasn't done much in years anyway". Marvel leaves a death wide open for a return and people call boycott. And don't give me any of that "Well, the story's better" garbage, because Infinite Crisis barely had a discernable plot. I was promised a story that would show great changes to the DC Universe. Instead, they ret-con the hell out of stupid, trivial things so that Brad Meltzer's favorite stories are intact.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

The spelling around here has gone to crap eh?

Not you Marc

 

[JewishHobbit]

Fer th' record, Hobbit, I wasn't *****in' about Magneto's death. That was a SUMMARY sentence. I was very happy when Mags was killed off the last time, but noooo...hadda retcon that to be Xorn.

What I did ***** about that issue was Bendis' typical bull****; crappy writin', crappy plots, crappy stories, just plain crap.

You weren't one that bothered me, so it's cool.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

stop dobling posting, especally when its the same ol crap about bendis. the man sells millons, it's clearr that most peeps enjoy his stuff. you whiners are a minoraty.

i bought all the marvel stuff and it was all 10-10. the dc stuff was horrible, esepcially batman's 1 yeer later with 2 face. come on, 2 face?! the art was terrible and the story sucks.

worst.spelling.ever.

he double posted. calm it.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

At least there're punctuation marks.

 

[Tropico]

Okay... before I get to my reviews, I just want to say something. SHUT UP!!!! Okay, good to get that out of my system. And that SU is aimed at everyone who's assuming the worse for everything.

WOW! I'm flabbergasted at you acting this way! Are you spending too much time with your brother-in-law? I thought the point was people speaking their minds. It does say bought/THOUGHT, after all.

Hulk showing up in Ultimates doesn't ruin a thing in Hulk Vs Wolverine...

Actually, it shows you that Banner's "Zen" training sticks and he doesn't go back to the same semi-mindless creature at the end of the series which was always a possibility considering they send someone to kill him and piss him off further.

and Bendis went out of his way to TELL YOU that Magneto isn't dead. Stop assuming crap and then blaming Marvel for the crap you're assuming. Just read the freakin' stories and enjoy them for what they are. Okay.. now to my reviews.

Ok, sorry!! I guess your assumption (which is what it is until we see Magnus again, if ever) is right and the others' is wrong.

Astonishing X-Men 15: Solid read. I LOVED the Wolverine as a kid parts and it was cool to see Hisako stepping up to the plate in a bigger way than before; it's cool how it could be tied in to the Runaway's future where she's supposed to be the X-Men's leader. Piotr's fight with Shaw was a little iffy since he IS supposed to know that he went about it the wrong way, but I guess since he's "made of rage" now it "makes sense". The last page homage in Kitty's pose was AWESOME!

52 week 7: Well, back-to-basics-Booster sure got his this week! If comics were interactive I'm sure he would be getting a lot of "owned" pics in this issue. Kathy Kane gets introduced and we get a bit of background on her. By far, my favorite parts were the space ones, though. The last page has me anxious for next week!

Justice #6: Like the others have said, this series continues to kick ass. I love how the villains have had a slight makeover to make them more "adult" or "gortesque", it's not a power up but the way they're visualized gives them a fresh feel. I'd love to see Firestorm in this, but I think I'm going to get disappointed.

Shadowpact #2: While I had high hopes for this series, the second issue was run of the mill. Heroes meet villains for the first time, villains beat heroes to set up the comeback issue. I know that magic's supposed to have changed, but the characters don't feel like themselves. I don't know, it's just an average issue.

All-Star Superman #4: Although I'm not one for the All Star line I borrowed some of the previous ones and read this week's #4. Although it's kinda cool to see Superman done in an old school yet modernized way it's kinda weird also. I actually liked the twists and turns the story had and that it was a self contained issue. Not something I'd keep buying, but something cool to read from a friend. It's still Shakespeare compared to All-Star Batman, of course!!!

 

[Doc Destruction]

stop dobling posting, especally when its the same ol crap about bendis. the man sells millons, it's clearr that most peeps enjoy his stuff. you whiners are a minoraty.

i bought all the marvel stuff and it was all 10-10. the dc stuff was horrible, esepcially batman's 1 yeer later with 2 face. come on, 2 face?! the art was terrible and the story sucks.

Wow, another knuckle-dragging Bendis ass-kisser. I'm proud to be in "the minoraty".

 

[Colossal Spoons]

That's like a minority right?

 

[NinjinSteve]

Me and my best friend are both really into comics, I'm a Marvel head and he's a DC head......we both always argue about which one is better, I finally am getting him to read some Marvel stuff.....and so I'm starting to read some DC stuff in return.

The whole idea of 52 intrigued me....being weekly and all that so i am giving it a whirl. I am reallly completely lost as to who a lot of characters are and what exactly went down during IC and all that but I can't help but enjoy reading it every week so far. Which I think really says something about the creative teams at work here.

Anywho I was going to pick up a bunch of past trades and whatnot to try and catch me up on a lot of characters and storylines referred to in the series.....so I was wondering....where I should start? How far back should I go?



ALSO totally off topic from what I was saying above but.......in NEW AVENGERS #20......the Sentry throws the collective into the sun THEN he sees a face in the sun very SIMILAR to what he saw when he threw the Void into the sun in his recent mini. The Sentry is surprised by the face....then his eyes go WHITE........just wondering if anyone else noticed this and what they think of it?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^I didn't even make the connection between the faces. Hmm.

 

[Dwarf lord]

I really don't get the people that think Infinite Crisis was so friggin' awesome. I thought it had it's moments, but the story was non-existent. Instead it was a series of crazy events where nameless characters get blown up good. At least in Civil War, the readers knew the New Warriors names. Superboy ran through crappy characters without anyone caring. It's like the other DC heroes thought "Meh, he hasn't done much in years anyway". Marvel leaves a death wide open for a return and people call boycott. And don't give me any of that "Well, the story's better" garbage, because Infinite Crisis barely had a discernable plot. I was promised a story that would show great changes to the DC Universe. Instead, they ret-con the hell out of stupid, trivial things so that Brad Meltzer's favorite stories are intact.

You do realize you're saying this as a non-DC fan and a big Marvel fan. Switch it the other way and they could be saying the same things about Civil War. And there was a plot. I don't know what you were reading.

 

[Anubis]

It's mainly because he hadn't read any of the build up. IC wasn't the sort of thing you could jump into blindly, which is likely what he did.

 

[Kotagg]

And even with the read-up it doesn't help in that situation - you basically had to have been reading for years to understand it.

And Doc Destruction, this is for you, from an unbiased, educated man: Bendis rocks. :P

 

[supermarvelman]

He was reading a predictible ret-con.

I didnt make the connection with the void either, now that you mentioned it, you really have me thinking.