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isnt Deadpool the only character in Marvel that constantly breaks the fourth-wall just cuz he can/wants to? i think thats all that was.
 
I love it when Deadpool breaks the 4 th wall lol.Was that issue pre-OMD or post?
 
iloveclones said:
But don't condescend me. I know all about life, love, and all the joy and crap that life can bestow and dump on you. Given up? Please. Most of you pups haven't even started the race yet. How about you lecture me once you've actually done a lap or two?
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He wasn’t lecturing, he was making a point and you shouldn’t patronize him or anybody else.
It would be just as fair as me saying you should wait till you get married and have at least one kid, like me, and I’m half as young as you.
:cwink:
And speaking of wives, soulmate most often literarily means wife/husband, unless you can’t afford or for some reason are against marriage, since that term is forever.
I guess ‘soulmate’ only reaches its true status when a couple has been married for decades till death did them apart.
Otherwise, we live in the now and should mean what we feel.
So naturally you are opposed to the term since you don’t feel that way. And it’s perfectly fine. But others feel differently. And you can’t measure them by your own personal experience.
:yay:
 
Trevor Goodchild said:
He wasn’t lecturing, he was making a point and you shouldn’t patronize him or anybody else.
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That's exactly what he was doing, you just don't want to see it because you share his viewpoint.

How else am I supposed to take a statement like "I find people who use terms like "realism" are ones who have given up on life"? If that's not lecturing and condescension, than I don't know what is.

It's not that I don't believe in soul mates. I hope that I've found mine. I look at her every night and hope to god that she doesn't realize what a horrible mistake she's made, and hope that I'll be thinking the same exact thing 30 years from now (just don't tell her ;) ) I just find the term thrown around a little too easily. Like "genius', or "brilliant." I swear, every time some emo band whines about an ingrown toenail, there's someone around to call it genius. I've seen tv shows about spousal beatings where the reconciled couples are still referring to each other as soul mates. Forgive me if I'm a little cynical.

And now you guys want to apply this highest standard of love and commitment to fictional characters like Superman and Spider-Man? To me, that's just one more watering down of a term that should mean something. And when people do use it in regards to Pete and MJ and Clark and Lois, I'm convinced that they only believe in the idea of soulmates, not the reality. And the reality is work. Ask carnageehw's parents.
 
iloveclones said:
But don't condescend me. I know all about life, love, and all the joy and crap that life can bestow and dump on you. Given up? Please. Most of you pups haven't even started the race yet.
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Uh, that's not condescending, it was my personal opinion. What is condescending is that you seem to think you know me and what I've been through in life. "How about you lecture me once you've actually done a lap or two?" Yeah, that's just you talking out of your @ss there, I don't presume to know you or what your life experiences are and you shouldn't presume to know me or mine. You assume this point about being older and how this gives you some extra life experience, but I'd be willing to lay down a shiney nickel that I've done more, seen more, been to more places, and met a much larger and diverse set of people in current my time on this earth than you will in the entirety of yours.

Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it, so come back and talk to me when you've actually experienced life which isn't the same as being old. (see how unfair that statement is, because I presume to know you when I really don't?)
 
Hmm, alright, iloveclones, I understand where you’re coming from.
But if you could clarify:
iloveclones said:
And now you guys want to apply this highest standard of love and commitment to fictional characters like Superman and Spider-Man? To me, that's just one more watering down of a term that should mean something. And when people do use it in regards to Pete and MJ and Clark and Lois, I'm convinced that they only believe in the idea of soulmates, not the reality. And the reality is work. Ask carnageehw's parents.
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I always thought that believing in an ‘idea’ is to strife for a high standard, a yet unattainable ideal and working to reach it one day. I don’t quite get in what context are you using that word here.
Superhero comic books have always been about ideals and the preservation of morals. True, many times writers sacrifice character development in order to go through the rediscovery of those moral values once again. And some times they also sacrifice ideal constants (the prize at the end of the journey, if you will), the marriage in this instance, which was in fact work. How was it not?
 
Captivated said:
Great point.

Which will likely sail over heads... or be rejected, because we are not talking FAIR here.


Of course that's true. :)

But unfortunately I think we're talking "pearls before swine" here....

Keep trying though. I applaud you efforts. :applaud
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Thanks!
 
Everyone's going to love this:

The panel then revealed that as of next month, there will be no further web shooter malfunctions in Spider-Man comics.
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:woot:
 
BND so far:

Slott's arc: Okay.
Guggenheim's arc: Bland.
Gale's arc: Terrible. This failed on every level...except maybe for the artwork.

Wells's arc: Fantastic. Best Spidey has been in years.

Next arc: Freak returns. Prediction: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
 
i know a lot of people dont like him, but i think JRJR is one of the best spidey artist out there.
 
Whoa, wait a minute, WHO doesn't like JRJR??? Last i checked he was one of the more popular spider-man artists. Why else would marvel keep asking him to come back? The guy's work is awesome.
 
kguillou said:
Whoa, wait a minute, WHO doesn't like JRJR??? Last i checked he was one of the more popular spider-man artists. Why else would marvel keep asking him to come back? The guy's work is awesome.
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I bow down to a brilliant post. :word:
 
Another interview with Mark;

NYCC ’08: MARK WAID JOINS THE AMAZING TEAM

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by Vaneta Rogers

If comic fans thought becoming the Editor-in-Chief at BOOM! Studios would keep Mark Waid away from writing superhero comics, it's time to think again.

As announced Friday at New York Comic Con, Mark Waid will be among the writers working on Amazing Spider-Man. Creation of the series, which started its "Brand New Day" run in January with a new 36-issues-per-year format, is currently handled by a pool of artists and writers, the latest writer added to the pool announced as Joe Kelly last month.

Although no issue number nor story length has been named for Waid's contribution to the comic -- and the artist for his issues is still unannounced -- Waid said he's already met with other Spider-Man writers and shared his ideas.

Waid, who was a DC exclusive writer since 2005, surprised many fans last year by taking the job of E-I-C at BOOM! Studios. In an age of writers and artists signing exclusive contracts, Waid is now one of the few exceptions, writing The Brave and the Bold for DC Comics (though he will be completing his run on the series with #16) while serving as E-I-C at BOOM! -- and now, writing Amazing Spider-Man for Marvel.

Newsarama talked to Waid and Amazing Spider-Man editor Steve Wacker about his new gig as a writer on the book and found out he's itching to get his hands on J. Jonah Jameson.

Newsarama: First, how did all this come together?

Steve Wacker: Mark and I were talking, and Mark had some great ideas. And we went out to dinner with half of the Spidey team in L.A. just for a meet and greet. Mark kind of glommed on to what we were doing, and he had some great ideas. Mark's got a pretty busy schedule at Boom...

Mark Waid: ... with that whole day job and everything.

SW: [laughs] Yeah.

MW: Steve's been really good about not overburdening me and not overpressuring me there because he understands that I have a day job and everything, but that said, who doesn't want to write Spider-Man?

SW: When we laid everything out for Mark, he had a pretty decent idea of where he could fit some things in, and bring some new and some classic characters onto the table. It all just fell naturally during the conversation.

MW: Yeah, it really did. I had some ideas. As it happens, they see a place for that on a plot level because it fits in with what the overarching year is going to be like.

NRAMA: Steve, how does Mark fit into your plans for Amazing and why bring him on board?

SW: It's a situation where I have to fill 36 issues a year. So I'd rather work with people I like and people I think have stories to tell. My affection for Mark has been spoken about a lot on the internet by me.

MW: Oh, but keep going. Don't let it stop you now!

SW: [laughs] But it's probably too much to say it's an open invitation. I mean, Mark has to show up and do the gig.

MW: Yeah, and I have to have ideas that can hold a candle to the great guys who are working on the book right now. And it's ... if I can speak for Steve for a moment, the Brand New Day stuff: They have a pretty good road map for that stuff. It's not like they're foundering and saying, "Oh God! What are we going to do now?" What do we put in place now? Part of the reason we don't have a definite number of issues figured out yet is because they're working pretty far ahead. It's not like my script is due next week. The beauty of what they've got engineered is that they've really thought it out and the road map is in place. It's just a question now of when do I get to play.

NRAMA: So can you tell us anything about the characters or ideas you're going to explore in your Spider-Man story?

MW: Well, Steve vetoed my first idea, which was to give Peter two adolescent twins to fight crime with... so... I had to walk off the book in a huff.

SW: [laughs] I was actually hoping you would walk off the book in a huff. I'd get more press out of it.

MW: Exactly! Shuts down the internet again!

NRAMA: I don't know if Newsarama could take another Marvel-fires-Waid headline.

SW: That should be the headline! Announce that Mark pre-quit the book!

MW: Yeah! I was fired before it even came out!

No, but to answer your question, the idea that I gravitated toward -- without knowing in any enormous detail what they've got lined up villains-wise -- I tend to gravitate more toward the supporting characters and villains anyway, no matter what I'm writing. And my love for J. Jonah Jameson knows no bounds. He is maybe my favorite character in all of Marvel comics, because if you catch that voice at exactly the right moment and you're feeling good, and you're sitting there at the keyboard, and it just comes out like Jonah -- that's the most fun character in the world to write because everything makes him angry all the time. And it's just so much fun to, like, pump him up like a big balloon with that big Steve Ditko grin on his face because Spider-Man just did something stupid, but then what he doesn't realize is that Spider-Man just, like, filled his chair with webbing. It's great.

And I hope I'm not giving away too many spoilers, Steve, when I say that Jonah eventually gets out of the hospital.

SW: No. That's fine.

MW: I always like to ask the question, what's the worst thing you can do to your character? Like when you walk in the door and you're handed one of the ongoing series or one of the ongoing characters, one of the questions I always ask is what can you do that no one's ever done before that will make their life a living hell? And with Spider-Man, that's really hard. But with Jonah, we figured out what the worst thing to do to him is. And we can't talk about it yet, but I think we found the worst thing to do to him. I think we certainly found the worst opponent to put into the arena against him.

NRAMA: Worse than what landed him in the hospital, then?

SW: Worse than a heart attack.

MW: Yeah, exactly. Like a heart attack on a day-to-day basis.

SW: It's possible he'll look back on those halcyon days when he was having heart attacks.

MW: Exactly!

NRAMA: OK, you guys have said that you had this dinner meeting and things clicked and you landed on a story about Jonah, but let's go back to when this idea first came about. How did the idea to have Mark on Spider-Man happen? Was this a matter of you guys staying in touch after having just worked together at DC? Or was there a specific one person approaching another about this?

MW: You worked at DC?

SW: [laughs] I was just at a Marvel retreat. No one's mentioned that to me in the last 15 minutes.

I've certainly kept in touch with Mark. I don't know if I'm old enough to say we're friends.

MW: Oh, great. Thanks a lot.

SW: But every editor has their list of people they would either like to work with or would like to continue working with. Mark's on mine. I've certainly been talking to him several times over the last year and half that I've been here. I don't know what it was about the particular day that we talked.

Mark has a good reputation at Marvel. He did one of the three classic runs of Fantastic Four.

MW: Thank you.

SW: He's very tight with my boss, Tom Brevoort, who oversees the Spidey books, so I think there was a comfort level there also, because Mark will be dealing with Tom.

MW: What???

SW: [laughs] As an inker!

MW: No, but you know... Marvel, Joe Quesada, Tom Brevoort, Steve and all the guys there have always made it pretty clear to me that I'm welcome to come do what I'd like to do over there. They've always been good about that, and I appreciate that. I have my own J. Jonah Jameson in my life, and every once in awhile I have to go to Marvel.

But you know, the two reasons to work there are really Steve and Spidey. That's my two reasons for doing this.

NRAMA: Well, we talked J. Jonah Jameson, but what is it about Peter Parker that appeals to you? And particularly the Spider-Man who exists now in Brand New Day?

MW: Well, the fact that, as of Brand New Day, he's back to being the hard luck guy. He's back to being the guy who, at the end of the day, nothing has quite worked out right for him. I know this is a note that we've hit a million times in a million internet posts, but I'll back the side of the debate that says once you give him the supermodel wife, life is not so bad. At the end of day, if you get to go home to MJ, it's not the worst thing that can happen to you. So I like the idea that he's a hard luck guy. I like the idea that he's a hard luck guy; I like the idea that's he's the lovable loser and that he's always trying. It always almost comes together for Peter, but at the last second, there's a monkey wrench in the works where he wins the day, but he ends up with a torn costume or the flu or the batteries in his camera are out or whatever. And it's funny. Spider-Man is adventure comedy. And there aren't many places in comics today to write things that are funny.

SW: That's the part I was waiting for you to get to, Mark, because the characters that either you've written or that I know you well enough that I associate you with -- like Robby Reed or The Flash or any four of the Fantastic Four or even the stuff in The Legion -- there's a lightness... there's a joy. Even Peter on his worst day, at any particular moment he might hate the curse that he has, but he's still swinging from buildings in New York.

MW: Exactly. Being Peter Parker is the curse; being Spider-Man is the release.

SW: You know, when Phil [Jimenez] came over and started working on Spider-Man, Phil had some trouble wrapping his head around Peter Parker. He just didn't like him, thought he was kind of a jerk. And at times, Peter Parker is a jerk, if you look from the other characters' perspectives, back in the Lee-Ditko stuff. Peter would be a jerk, and I kind of think that's OK because all of us are jerks in our lives once in awhile. One of the things that Phil and I talked about, the more I got to know Phil, was that Peter Parker is like Phil dropped into the Marvel Universe. I don't know if this is the genius of the character, but he's very relatable. Things never seem to go exactly right the way he wants. Or when you think they have gone right, there's another cloud over here that you don't even notice at first.

MW: Exactly. Peter is a master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. That is his superpower. How can you not want to write somebody like that? Everybody feels like that. At any given point during the week, we all feel like that. How many people do you know who say to you all the time, well my job is great, but my personal life sucks. Or vice versa. You can't have it all. There's always something that's out of your reach. And Peter's indomitable struggle to always keep reaching -- even though that last piece is always out of his reach and it's always changing and somebody's always moving the goal post on him -- the fact that he's willing to suit up every day and get back in the game, I love that about Peter.

NRAMA: Steve, you've got a lot of talent in this pool for Amazing Spider-Man. Do you think it can get too big? There are a lot of cooks in this kitchen.

SW: Yes, I do think it can get too big. I don't think there are as many chefs as it may appear. We knew going in with all the writers and the artists, some of them could only do a certain commitment. Like Steve McNiven could only come on for three issues. We talked about it; I knew it ahead of time; I could plan around it. But I still consider him a part of the team because he got us going. I knew what commitment Bob Gale could do on the writer's side. I knew Zeb [Wells] wouldn't be able to commit to a lot of issues. So I don't think it's quite as big as it might seem. But if I felt there was a danger it was getting too big, I would just fire somebody.

NRAMA: Uh oh, Mark.

SW: [laughs] No, he's too new.

MW: I don't know. First in, first out...

SW: No, it would be Slott. [laughs]

But I knew what the limitations were, and it's not something I'm particularly worried about. Look, if the worst part of my job is that I've got too many talented artists to choose from?

MW: Oh no! The horror!

SW: But I agree that it could get too big or you could have problems going from one story to another if you didn't have the kind of people we have. You solve that problem by finding people who aren't afraid to work with other people. If I brought someone in who just said, "Screw what everybody else is doing. This is my story. It's Spider-Man in space, and he smokes, and now he's a woman." That would be very difficult. But I don't work with those people. They certainly wouldn't fit in the Spider-books right now. The situation I've got, I can sit down with two of the writers and Mark and they can talk about it. And Mark's smart enough to know he can't just come in and pitch his Spider-Man as a woman in space story and think that's going to fly.

MW: Darn!

SW: But that's just part of my job, to have good judgment about that kind of thing. And we have a direction and certain key points that all the writers are aware of. It's not much different than what we had in 52.

NRAMA: Yet it looks like, from the outside anyway, that the more people you add to this thing, the more potentially different voices there are in the mix.

MW: Yeah, but the most important and loudest voice in the whole mix is Peter's. And it's such a distinct voice. And it's such a well-drawn, well-defined character that I can't imagine anybody coming in and not falling into the general vibe. It's not like a lot of other characters that are a lot more fluid where a bunch of creators can come in and have such radically different takes on it that it's jarring from issue to issue. In this case, you can't help but write a Spider-Man story that's Peter Parker. I can't imagine anybody being that far off note.

If you're good enough to write a comic for Marvel and they invite you in the door to write Spider-Man, I could be wrong about this, but it seems like it's going to raise your game. I wouldn't worry about this number of creators coming in and that their voices wouldn't somehow work together because Peter Parker brings your game up.

SW: I think that in some cases, a reader might not like a particular storyline. Of course, that's going to happen in any comic. And also, it's a fine line -- and I'm not sure where this line is, but I just judge it by my gut -- but you also want to give the writer the flexibility to bring their own voice. That's what we're paying for. I want them to have a little freedom so that I can tell the difference between a Mark Waid story and a Dan Slott story. I don't want to completely homogenize them where you can't tell.

MW: Yeah, but I think the difference is going to be in the tone or the approach of the outside material. But what brings it all together is Spider-Man at the end of the day. That's going to be your consistent note throughout. It's not so much what the writers do over dinner or the conversations they have that bring unity to book -- it's Peter Parker himself.

NRAMA: Mark, you said Peter Parker brings your game up. Is that what you're hoping happens when you hit Spider-Man?

MW: I sure hope so. I think that it's daunting to write Spider-Man, and I'm not just saying that. Some of the best Spider-Man stories that have ever been told have been told just in the last two years. The beauty of taking over a B-level book, or a book with forgotten characters that people don't care much about, is that you can look back on 20 years of comics featuring these characters and go, "I can do better than this. It's not like I'm competing with anything." But with Spider-Man? Holy crap! Good luck telling a story better than Spider-Man 2, the movie. Good luck outpacing Steve Ditko and Stan Lee. Good luck with that.

SW: It does make you wonder, Mark, and if we've talked about this, I don't remember, but what are your favorite Spider-Man stories?

MW: Well, the kid who collects Spider-Man, obviously. That's the one everybody says. But that's because it's about what it's like to be Spider-Man. It's a unique window into that world. And also, I know this dates me, but the Master Planner story where he's lifting the machine over his shoulder thing, where he's trapped in the wreckage and he's got to move it. That's the quintessential Spider-Man moment and maybe the greatest moment in all of Marvel Comics.

SW: Yeah.

MW: Again, back to my issue of he never quits. That's the beauty of this guy. Everything in the world is thrown at him and he never quits.

NRAMA: In all the time you've worked at Marvel, you've gotten to write Spider-Man a few times, but never quite like this.

MW: Yeah, Marvel's come at me a couple times with the opportunity and it's always been bad timing or a bad situation... or, you know, turning him into a living spider for a few months or something dumb like that [laughs]. It's never really Spider-Man. It's like they come at me and say, "We want you to write Spider-Man," then it's always a bait and switch at the last second. "No, it's Ben Reilly!" "Oh, wait! Wait! Wait!" Or "We want you to write Spider-Man, but he's got extra arms this month." "Wait! What?"

SW: [laughs] When you did the Spider-Man: House of M stuff, how did that come about?

MW: Yeah, again, same thing! Like being asked, do you want to write Spider-Man for five months? "Yes!" Oh, but wait, it's a different Spider-Man. "OK... we can make that work..."

So it's funny. I've brushed up against that character a bunch of times, and yet this is finally my chance to get my hands on the real Peter Parker and do something with that character. It will be fun.
 
I wonder, does anyone know who will be writing the arc that JRJR is drawing? If it's Slott I'm probably going to look into it, that sounds like a great team to me. I'm not sure if I've read anything by Waid before, but I heard he had a fantastic F4 run, one of the best, so I'll think about reading his story depending on if it grabs my interest.
 
Kraven said:
I wonder, does anyone know who will be writing the arc that JRJR is drawing? If it's Slott I'm probably going to look into it, that sounds like a great team to me. I'm not sure if I've read anything by Waid before, but I heard he had a fantastic F4 run, one of the best, so I'll think about reading his story depending on if it grabs my interest.
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It's a 6-part story by Slott and JRJR.
 
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