Arrow Brandon Routh IS Ray Palmer/The Atom

I think its simpler: they *intended* to use Blue Beetle, but had to come up with a substitute at the relative last minute when they were told they couldn't use Ted. So, the point of using Ray is "Oh ****, we need another character to be our ersatz Tony Stark. What other science heroes does DC have?"
 
Smallville was never a prequel of any kind to the Donner Superman films. They made lots of nods towards those movies because they respected them and for the fans.

Not only was Clark unwilling to be Superman, and that was the driving force behind him not being Superman according to the producers, but they definitely were thinking of it as a soft prequel to the Donner films, which is why it showed in all those nods, but there not nods to other continuities:

“When he [Welling] finally becomes Superman, he will be, to me, stepping into the role and becoming Christopher Reeve,” said executive producer Brian Peterson. “We really want it to end where a lot of people in the world … where their knowledge of Superman picks up. Our goal was not to create mythology but to fill in a gap of mythology.”

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/tom-welling-knows-what-youre-thinking-why-doesnt-he-just-put-on-the-suit/

Everything you're saying about what happened on screen and what the fans thought is legit, but behind the scenes? It was a different story

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So, the Atom isn't gonna shrink?
what's the point of using his character then?!?
Not on Arrow, as the special effects require more budget... which they will have once there's a spin-off show.

I think Atom will shrink but in the new spin-off show.

how are the the special effects for shirking more expensive then flying?

I could be totally wrong about this, but I think one of the reasons why it might be expensive is that they can simply get away with using a cheap CGI model of Atom flying in archived footage of the city that they're using in real life for "Starling City", whereas with shrinking Atom, they have to actually film more of Brandon in front of a Green/Blue Screen while creating the CGI background (or carefully filming) the backdrop that will be used in the background.

I think its simpler: they *intended* to use Blue Beetle, but had to come up with a substitute at the relative last minute when they were told they couldn't use Ted. So, the point of using Ray is "Oh ****, we need another character to be our ersatz Tony Stark. What other science heroes does DC have?"

Exactly. There are three(four-ish) issues, you guys have already hit two:

1) The show was being written for Blue Beetle, but the film division said they had movie plans for Blue Beetle, so the show couldn't use him. Instead, they suggested Ray Palmer, The Atom. The Arrow crew thought that was even better (Source)

2) Distant and blurry flight is cheaper than shrinking techniques, for all the reasons herolee explained.

3) Arrow is different than The Flash, as a show. Even though they're in the same universe, Arrow is about vigilantes. It's the same reason you don't see Sinestro in a Batman comic. It doesn't matter if the audience can accept the concept of Sinestro, or if it's in the same universe, if you want Batman comics to be good, the stories should be about ninjas and crime and gadgets, even though technically an alien could show up and the story make sense, that doesn't make for a very good Batman story. Same with Arrow. Right now, however overpowered they may be, Ray Palmer has gadgets, so he fits in.

4?) Because Atom is grounded now, and super powers are cohesive (they have a common origin in the Particle Accelerator), it doesn't really make sense for him to shrink. There's no gadget or technology to make it seem real and not cartoony. It doesn't help his character, it's just a nod to fans that care little for the character if he's not in spandex surfing on phone lines.

For my part, I like The Atom as he's been shown on the show. I think a few more nods to his comic counterpart could be nice. They touched on the idea of shrinking down technology and incorporating OMAC tech, I think that'd be brilliant to expand on. In fact, just him having some nanomachines could go a loooong way towards awesomeness. I look forward to seeing him get to spread his wings a bit more in an expanding show.
 
they will make him (Ray) shrink eventually he was one of Ronnies professors next to Stein. they also need to replace Dr wells cause he'll start his plan & leave star labs as well see when the flash returns professor stein is in no place to take over as the business side beside being physicist which ray is also. Cisco needs to be Cisco & stay creative & funny running the lab financially will be no fug for him or the audience, since he's a scientifically creative Michelangelo(ninja Turtles) . beside his shrinking was always mix of his tech a& meta human powers if he's not shrinking he'll have the rest of the other tech to fall back on it'll make him resourceful which is a good thing despite how people like to argue with that these days about that.

it 'll be what will make him cool
 
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I agree with other posters on this thread that ATOM should not be just Iron-Man lite, he needs the ability to shrink ... which makes him unique in DC comics, without that he becomes rather generic superhero.

If Berlanti & Co. are thinking of an ATOM spin-off, then the show cannot succeed without ATOM's shrinking powers, maybe they are waiting to see if Ant-Man movie achieves success... if it does then there's a good chance that ATOM will get his shrinking ability and may it's own spin-off series.

If they're waiting for Ant Man they risk the general audience turning off as the think it's just a rip-off when the oppositenis true.
 
Not on Arrow, as the special effects require more budget... which they will have once there's a spin-off show.

I think Atom will shrink but in the new spin-off show.

I think this may have been mentioned earlier, but I remember Guggenheim saying
Ray/ATOM would fly before he would shrink.
 
If they're waiting for Ant Man they risk the general audience turning off as the think it's just a rip-off when the oppositenis true.
he already looks like iron man with the rocket boosted flight. they won't be able to escape this accusation.
 
What are the chances that Green Lantern in the Justice League movie will fire a bow and arrow or run really fast?

Why is Palmer called the Atom in this show? Isn't his name meanr to be indicative of his powers?
 
What are the chances that Green Lantern in the Justice League movie will fire a bow and arrow or run really fast?

Why is Palmer called the Atom in this show? Isn't his name meanr to be indicative of his powers?

In Universe: He calls his suit A.T.O.M. because it stands for Advanced TEchnology Operating Mechanism and as reference to the fact that engineering values beyond the suit focus on miniaturization of existing technology.

In Reality: He's called Atom because they couldn't use Blue Beetle as their Superman-lite so they went with a slightly more superman-like figure, as Ray Palmer in the comics has flight, super strength, super durability and a compassionate attitude.

Since the films are not restricted in what characters they can use and forced to make last minute changes, they'll keep people's powersets more traditional.
 
An Atom that doesn't shrink.
That's like a Wolverine without claws, or a Spider-man without webs. Aren't there other Tech-based guys they could've done? Like Mr. Terrific or something?
 
There was another Atom before Ray Palmer who didn't shrink. So this is within the scope of the Atom.
 
RDJ should've played Ant-Man and just worn red and gold armour. :o
 
So Ray, turns out some good food, a nice shower, and some hot steamy sex with a beautiful woman are just what you need to get the old creative juices (among others) flowing. You'd have thunk it ;)
 
An Atom that doesn't shrink.
That's like a Wolverine without claws, or a Spider-man without webs. Aren't there other Tech-based guys they could've done? Like Mr. Terrific or something?

Mr. Terrific flying around in armor is a bit worse than Atom, who has been without shrinking, going without shrinking. It's not quite like Ant-Man going without shrinking. And generally in their origin stories, Spidey and Wolvie are without claws and webs. Makes for a good story.
 
So Ray, turns out some good food, a nice shower, and some hot steamy sex with a beautiful woman are just what you need to get the old creative juices (among others) flowing. You'd have thunk it ;)

But it resulted in the opposite effect of shrinking though. :o
 
There was another Atom before Ray Palmer who didn't shrink. So this is within the scope of the Atom.
And if the Atom on Arrow was called Al Pratt I'd agree about your scope but he's not.
The scope of the character called Ray Palmer involves shrinking as part of the power set.
 
And if the Atom on Arrow was called Al Pratt I'd agree about your scope but he's not.
The scope of the character called Ray Palmer involves shrinking as part of the power set.

These writers with other characters have applied characteristics from different characters in a lineage before. This isn't something new Harrison Wells for instance along Isabella Roshev before him.
 
Might as well made him Booster Gold or somebody else.
 
Booster Gold would have involved Time Travel, which doesn't fit in with ninjas and crime and gadgets at all. And he also would have been completely out of place taking over Oliver's company. Rocket Red would have as well. Is there any powered armor superhero who also runs a company?

I think it'd have been interesting if they hadn't been going the Iron Man/Superman direction. I think Mr. Terrific's floating T-spheres could have been managed and been pretty cool as far as making him an all-surpassing character in more of a mastermind/control type of way. He actually does have the dead wife in his comics back story. Could have been really interesting.
 
Yeah, why does it need to be an Iron Man rip off? T-sphere's could've been sweet, and relatively new. Easier costume to make as well.

I'm just sort of lost as to how this is the Atom, in anything but name? I just feel sort've a let down when I've been expecting a shrinking guy.
 
ATOM is probably the best case for "Character-in-name-only" on the show, with the exception of Thea "Mia" "Speedy" Dearden Queen.

I think Mr. Terrific would have been, well, terrific, but then you have Felicity with a black guy, and I'm not sure the internet could handle that. In fact, I know people would have had a meltdown, bar bigger than they have ATOM in name only. Plus, Mr. Terrific doesn't fit on the Justice League in the same way Atom does, or Superman-lite does, or even Iron Man-lite does. Mr. Terrific is more naturally behind the scenes, with a less flashy costume, he works well alone, or even with the lower powered (But with a few heavies) JSA, but on the JLA, as far as the power dynamics, it's just different. It doesn't feel big and boombastic like the JLA should: Green Arrow, Flash, Firestorm, Vixen and Mr. Terrific. It's not quite a 'click.'
 
Poor, forgotten Al Pratt. . . ;)

( ie, the original Atom, who's super powers [ when he got them ] were brickiness and some vague energy powers )
 
That would be bizarre [laughs]. There'd probably be some inside jokes and winks at the camera. But that would be cool. It's such a bizarre thing already for me to be playing this character, and for some people to only be known for playing this character. People young enough who haven't seen Superman Returns are like, 'Oh, that guy's the Atom. What!?! He played Superman!?' I mean, I get that all the time from people who are fans of Chuck. They see me on Chuck, and their buddies are like, 'Yeah, he was Superman too,' and they're like, 'What!?' That's a cool thing for me, because it means that I'm not just defined by one character. Even if that is the one thing I'm known for, hallelujah! That's an amazing thing too. So, I don't know. Anything's possible. That'd be a trip."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03...+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social


 
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I don't know, it still seems possible to me they'll bring in the shrinking. Why else make a point of mentioning the white dwarf star matter as the power source for the suit? I'm thinking the shrinking will be an un-intended side effect, which is why it hasn't been mentioned yet.
 

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