BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 8

[Golgo-13]

Seeing this tomorrow. But i'm really shocked/surprised at how low the RT score is...

Ghost Rider 1 is at 26% and the sequel is at 17%; number 2 is probably one of the worst movies i've ever seen in my life.

 

[DeadPresident]

Seeing this tomorrow. But i'm really shocked/surprised at how low the RT score is...

Ghost Rider 1 is at 26% and the sequel is at 17%; number 2 is probably one of the worst movies i've ever seen in my life.

I think only half of the gripes people have about the movie are related to structure and technical execution, a lot of it is in regard to writing decisions IMO.

 

[Mjölnir]

People seem to forget that Marvel Studios isn't the only studio making successful comic book movies.

Fox has had significant success with X-Men, which has a completely different tone.

And Deadpool is the most recent example.

It's because the critics are accused of being biased by the actual biased people. It's the fans that can't handle that others don't like what they like so they turn blind to the facts and just pour out wild accusations.

 

[Wylie Times]

People seem to forget that Marvel Studios isn't the only studio making successful comic book movies.

Fox has had significant success with X-Men, which has a completely different tone.

And Deadpool is the most recent example.

Not to mention that WB had a ton of success with the Nolan Batman films and they had their own style too.

It's easy to forget that TDK came out the same year as Iron Man and The TDKR came out the same year as The Avengers.

 

[NeoRanger]

No, theories like this don't give audiences and critics enough credit. They'll easily, I'd say eagerly, accept something new and fresh if the film in question is halfway decent.

I ask primarily, because most reviews do cite structural problems with the movie, but not to a crippling extend. There is a lot of criticism for its tone, however, which isn't just different -apparently- but diametrically opposed to pretty much every other super hero movie; even to a fault.

 

[Wylie Times]

Seeing this tomorrow. But i'm really shocked/surprised at how low the RT score is...

Ghost Rider 1 is at 26% and the sequel is at 17%; number 2 is probably one of the worst movies i've ever seen in my life.

Many of the reviews for Ghost Rider came in years after the film was released and had already been panned.

And people gotta keep in mind that the RT score isn't a rating of the film, it just shows the percentage of critics that thought the film was "Great".

 

[Poni_Boy]

The "made for comic fans" is such a terrible excuse. Marvel makes films that both comic fans AND the GA love. It's not a mutually exclusive thing.

Marvel hires directors who have a passion for the character they're bringing to the big screen. If a director's vision strays from how the character fits into the overarching storyline or becomes too niche and will alienate a large portion of the audience (fans and/or GA) they give em the boot. That's how you do a shared universe. It's just good business.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

I ask primarily, because most reviews do cite structural problems with the movie, but not to a crippling extend. There is a lot of criticism for its tone, however, which isn't just different -apparently- but diametrically opposed to pretty much every other super hero movie; even to a fault.

The main thing I've seen with complaints to the tone is that it lacks and levity and doesn't make the film pleasant to watch. Not that it being dark was the problem. Dark films can still be dark but fun e.g. TDKT, Netflix's Daredevil, Jessica Jones, etc.

 

[Sithborg]

This has probably been noted already but this is a couple of bad reviews away from being in the 20's on RT.

Yeah, it is currently only 30% because of rounding. Definitely in danger of going under 30% at this rate.

One of my friends who likes cheesy, bad stuff is saying to not see it. And he really wanted to like the movie.

 

[Flint Marko]

I ask primarily, because most reviews do cite structural problems with the movie, but not to a crippling extend. There is a lot of criticism for its tone, however, which isn't just different -apparently- but diametrically opposed to pretty much every other super hero movie; even to a fault.

That's sort of a different conversation IMO. To further reiterate my point look at how acclaimed the Nolan trilogy is.
In terms of the specific criticisms about this movie, I don't think the story earns its ridiculously self-serious tone. This isn't high art, the movie isn't deeply thematic or sophisticated, so why it's dressing itself up as such is questionable. I think it's a fair criticism but not one that shows a widespread, significant bias.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Thing is, when people say there is a bias in Marvels favour... you have to ask why. It's because they have built a lot of good will and confidence in the audience and critics.

At the moment DC/WB have failed to do that outside of Nolan TDK trilogy. Green Lantern bombed. Man of Steel made money but was polarising. Dawn of Justice is getting ripped apart.

I think their vision, whether it's Snyder's or the studios, just hasn't clicked like it should have. It's a damn shame.

Superman should have become more hopeful and confident in this film. But he hasn't grown from MoS it seems. Still brooding and treating his responsibilities as a huge burden on his life.

Nailed it

 

[writer0327]

Many of the reviews for Ghost Rider came in years after the film was released and had already been panned.

And people gotta keep in mind that the RT score isn't a rating of the film, it just shows the percentage of critics that thought the film was "Great".

And reading through some of the reviews of critics that rated BvS "Fresh", even they are on the fence with the film. Some of their reviews make the film sound downright "Rotten". I had to double check a couple just to make sure.

 

[NeoRanger]

The main thing I've seen with complaints to the tone is that it lacks and levity and doesn't make the film pleasant to watch. Not that it being dark was the problem. Dark films can still be dark but fun e.g. TDKT

I haven't seen BvS yet, but based on the reviews, the discussions and Man of Steel, "dark" isn't something these movies are. Bleak, morose are probably better descriptors. I would assume that would make the movie very unpleasant to watch for many, many people, but in the end that's a tone as well, isn't it?

And reading through some of the reviews of critics that rated BvS "Fresh", even they are on the fence with the film. Some of their reviews make the film sound downright "Rotten". I had to double check a couple just to make sure.

Same goes for the rotten reviews. My eye caught a "rotten" review with a 6/10 rating. Maybe it was a fluke. I'm not defending the film, but I wager it's better to read the reviews (which seem to be a lot more on the average than the terrible), because the numbers don't do a good job representing complex opinions.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah, it is currently only 30% because of rounding. Definitely in danger of going under 30% at this rate.

One of my friends who likes cheesy, bad stuff is saying to not see it. And he really wanted to like the movie.

I saw this with a friend of mine who liked Green Lantern and Man of Steel, so I figured he would definitely be on board with this. He walked out of it extremely disappointed.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

People seem to forget that Marvel Studios isn't the only studio making successful comic book movies.

Fox has had significant success with X-Men, which has a completely different tone.

And Deadpool is the most recent example.

Kingsman too!

Aside from that awful Fantastic Four movie which was clearly just a rights grab that the studio didn't care about, Fox has been a roll.

 

[Wylie Times]

And reading through some of the reviews of critics that rated BvS "Fresh", even they are on the fence with the film. Some of their reviews make the film sound downright "Rotten". I had to double check a couple just to make sure.

And some of the critics that rated it "rotten" say that it's a good movie that people should go see.

The Average rating is 5.1/10 and when you read the reviews you can definitely see that. Most of the critics are saying it's just "ok" the fringes taht are saying it's "brilliant" or "trash" are in the minority.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I find it telling that most if not all of the critics that are ****ting on this movie are from the US. International reviews aren't "divisive" despite acknowledging BvS' short comings.

Its getting bad reviews in India too, and that was VERY surprising for me because in all these years I have never seen a Hollywood movie blockbuster reviewed in the negative, critics here are easily impressed

 

[Tony Gunk]

Seen it.

In my opinion it's not the huge disaster people make it out to be, a lot of what happens in the film isn't as bad as many have made out. But I'm not surprised it's being trashed critically because it's a mess of a film, it's disgraceful that with all the time they've had they've put out a film this sloppy, structure, pacing and editing are pitiful to be perfectly honest.

It's also not a good film if you're a Superman fan, they really catered to Batman, but then I think we knew they'd do that. I'm not one to complain about CGI like too many people do, but when Doomsday is evolving, I've played video games with better graphics. I did have tears in my eyes at a couple of moments in the film, though, and there IS good stuff in there, but what's the point when it comes together and plays out like a sloppy, barely coherent piece?

Snyder and his team have to go.

 

[Iceman]

Can't believe it's still going down.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

There it is. Officially 29%

 

[Flint Marko]

Whoa, I'm still seeing 30. Maybe my browser will update soon.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Marvel hires directors who have a passion for the character they're bringing to the big screen. If a director's vision strays from how the character fits into the overarching storyline or becomes too niche and will alienate a large portion of the audience (fans and/or GA) they give em the boot. That's how you do a shared universe. It's just good business.

THIS

I have seen people rip apart Marvel for sacking Wright and not getting along with the other directors, they were even accused of sexism for sacking Patty Jenkins

But people forget that guys at Marvel run a whole universe, consisting of a dozen movies and 3 more coming out each year, its a house of cards, it's of paramount importance that each of their movies fits into that universe, it's them putting in the money, they call the shots

 

[Rowsdower!]

Can't believe it's still going down.

There's something happening here
Knightmare sequence ain't exactly clear
Batman's got a gun over there
[BLACKOUT]Killing crooks 'cuz he just don't care[/BLACKOUT]

I think it's time we stop Snyder
Before we drown
The RT score is going down

 

[Spiderdevil]

Seen it.

In my opinion it's not the huge disaster people make it out to be, a lot of what happens in the film isn't as bad as many have made out. But I'm not surprised it's being trashed critically because it's a mess of a film, it's disgraceful that with all the time they've had they've put out a film this sloppy, structure, pacing and editing are pitiful to be perfectly honest.

It's also not a good film if you're a Superman fan, they really catered to Batman, but then I think we knew they'd do that. I'm not one to complain about CGI like too many people do, but when Doomsday is evolving, I've played video games with better graphics. I did have tears in my eyes at a couple of moments in the film, though, and there IS good stuff in there, but what's the point when it comes together and plays out like a sloppy, barely coherent piece?

Snyder and his team have to go.

Hmm, and it was supposed to be a MOS sequel

 

[Chip Chipperson]

There it is. Officially 29%

a monumental achievement

bravissimo Snyder