BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 6

[writer0327]

Bingo. These are not mutually exclusive concepts. Batman can be dark without gunning people down. A Batman movie can be dark without being so dark that it is inaccessible to a wide portion of the audience, hell inaccessible to the audience that these characters were CREATED FOR. A movie can be both mature and accessible for all audiences (the Nolan trilogy for example). And if you can do it with Batman, you can certainly do it with Superman.

Indeed. Now because my kids are a little older, I could take them to see this film without batting an eye, but 5 years ago I wouldn't have done so.

I'm convinced that Snyder is just trying to emulate Nolan but isn't truly confident in what he's doing.

 

[Matt]

And that's the selfishness I don't understand. Kids ARE the target demographic. Always were. Always will be. No need to cater to kids but purposefully going out of your way to making them inaccessible to that demographic is just wrong.

It's bizarre to me that folks like Tim seem to think a story about a super powered alien who wears blue spandex with red underwear (on the outside) and flies around beating up bad guys ought to be a complex, Shakespearian character study on the human condition.

 

[bapi]

32%... So it's closer to Green Lantern (26%) than Daredevil (44%) or Batman Forever (41%). Absolutely shocking.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I felt it was hyperbole. There's a few scenes where he's careless, perhaps more careless than in Nolan's films.

Spoiler

There's two instances (outside of dream sequences) that I can think of where he actually kills. One was more like a collateral damage kill that you could argue wasn't intentional. The other was an intentional kill, but it was to save someone else's life and was literally his only way to do it. I'm more cranky that Snyder thought he had to put that character in that position. It was MOS/Zod all over again.

Wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. These are not real people making real decisions. These are fictional characters written purposefully to act a certain way. That's why I never understood the "Superman HAD to kill Zod argument. Of course he did. Because they WROTE him in a position where he had to.

Also, regarding this film:

Spoiler

- Batman brands people with what is basically a high tech hot poker. the brand is a death sentence in prison. His intent when he brands people is for them to die.

- The grenade scene bothered me a lot. He could have deflected it out a window and instead chose to toss it back into a room full of guys. And then camera then focuses on it from two angles so you know without a doubt they all died.

- Superman kills too. He killed the guy holding Lois hostage. And killed Doomsday. So he has three kills under his belt. Funny, that more than most military guys deployed in the Middle East.

 

[Matt]

32%... So it's closer to Green Lantern (26%) than Daredevil (44%) or Batman Forever (41%). Absolutely shocking.

I feel bad for the 'Fleck. To this day he apologizes for Daredevil. He seems like a guy who really wants to make movies that people enjoy. Hell, his post Gigli/Jersey Girl choice of scripts show how dedicated he has become to making quality films above all else. He has been very careful and selective so as to avoid another Daredevil or Gigli. This tomato meter has to be killing him.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

102 rotten reviews from a movie featuring batman and superman. it's dubious, but it's still an incredible achievement.

i keep saying variations of this, but i'm so ready for the post-game drama and what happens with justice league.

 

[X Knight]

Wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. These are not real people making real decisions. These are fictional characters written purposefully to act a certain way. That's why I never understood the "Superman HAD to kill Zod argument. Of course he did. Because they WROTE him in a position where he had to.

Also, regarding this film:

Spoiler

- Batman brands people with what is basically a high tech hot poker. the brand is a death sentence in prison. His intent when he brands people is for them to die.

- The grenade scene bothered me a lot. He could have deflected it out a window and instead chose to toss it back into a room full of guys. And then camera then focuses on it from two angles so you know without a doubt they all died.

- Superman kills too. He killed the guy holding Lois hostage. And killed Doomsday. So he has three kills under his belt. Funny, that more than most military guys deployed in the Middle East.

wait.....

Spoiler

Superman kills a normal person??!!

 

[SpideyZERO]

I feel bad for the 'Fleck. To this day he apologizes for Daredevil. He seems like a guy who really wants to make movies that people enjoy. This tomato meter has to be killing him.

While people are saying he is the highlight of the show, I don't think anyone from this movie will walk away with their career unscathed, especially Affleck. He's gonna be a superhero laughing stock

 

[TeeKay]

A little off-topic but the Onion posted an article today:

"‘Batman V. Superman’ Promotion Urges Filmgoers To Just Get This Over With."

I'd link to it but it contains some strong language.
Not as funny as their Green Lantern video a few years back ("Sure, Green Lantern, why not?") but still pretty good.

 

[TheScarecrow]

wait.....

Spoiler

Superman kills a normal person??!!

It's the very first thing he does in the film.

Broke my heart.

 

[Flint Marko]

102 rotten reviews from a movie featuring batman and superman. it's dubious, but it's still an incredible achievement.

i keep saying variations of this, but i'm so ready for the post-game drama and what happens with justice league.

Agreed. What happens when the dust settles is going to be very very interesting.

 

[Orba]

32%... So it's closer to Green Lantern (26%) than Daredevil (44%) or Batman Forever (41%). Absolutely shocking.

The average rating is dropping also, its down to a 5.1. The audience score is also slowly ticking down, 78% atm so its only 2% above MoS now, not long ago it was at least 86%.

 

[X Knight]

It's the very first thing he does in the film.

Broke my heart.

well ****!!

can you describe how it came about?

 

[Matt]

It's the very first thing he does in the film.

Broke my heart.

WHAT!? I heard about Batman...but...what!? Can you elaborate?

 

[Poni_Boy]

wait.....

Spoiler

Superman kills a normal person??!!

Yes. It's quite shocking.

It's the very first thing he does in the film.

Broke my heart.

[BLACKOUT]And that smirk he made to Lois before he does it was just icing on the cake[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

It's the very first thing he does in the film.

Broke my heart.

whoa, what? can you explain this in spoiler tags?

 

[WBwins]

No, I am saying that people are generally full of ****, actually. I don't buy for a second anyone here's idealized version of Batman kills or Superman is a dark, gloomy emo. But I think they are so desperate to like it and defend Snyder that they will say "**** these characters, **** the general audience! Snyder is right! We want darkness!"

This post is sigworthy

 

[Stark Bauer]

Wrong. After all, who on Earth would breed with these miserable people?

But seriously...are these people so void of joy regarding these characters? Do they not remember the first time their parents gave them a Superman comic or bought them a Batman action figure? Do these people not remember rushing home from school to watch BTAS? Why do they begrudge a movie being accessible to all audiences INCLUDING children? Why do they begrudge an entire generation a universally accessible film of these characters?

That they had an R rated cut of BvS should have been a red flag

 

[SpideyZERO]

While it's not really clear that he really did it, but the implication is pretty obvious

 

[TheScarecrow]

whoa, what? can you explain this in spoiler tags?

Spoiler

Lois is being held hostage. Superman smashes into the building she's being held in. Her captor taunts him about her saying if she does anything he'll kill her. They exchange knowing looks, she moves so Superman can get at him, Superman smirks at her and then rams him through a huge concrete wall at what looks like his top speed

 

[Poni_Boy]

WHAT!? I heard about Batman...but...what!? Can you elaborate?

Spoiler

Superman goes to Africa to save Lois. It was a trap set my Luthor. Jimmy Olsen (who is actually a CIA guy undercover as a cameraman) gets executed. Lois is taken prisoner. When the mercenaries hear Superman incoming they bug out. Lois gets used as a human shield by the warlord. Superman lands in the building with them. Lois drops her hands from the warlord's arm that's around her and nods to Supes. He smirks in an "I understand" way. Then spears the warloard at superspeed, busting through the stone wall of the building and through the next building.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

That they had an R rated cut of BvS should have been a red flag

this, along with that picture of superman standing in the rain where he looks interchangeable with batman, to when terrio said bvs was going to be like empire or two towers and a darker film were all harbingers of the gloomy reviews now landing in our virtual laps.

 

[Frankeh]

Will Snyder have to apologize like Schumacher?

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Will Snyder have to apologize like Schumacher?

Who's too much of a stubborn baby who can't take criticism to apologize.

 

[elsewhere]

I feel bad for the 'Fleck. To this day he apologizes for Daredevil. He seems like a guy who really wants to make movies that people enjoy. Hell, his post Gigli/Jersey Girl choice of scripts show how dedicated he has become to making quality films above all else. He has been very careful and selective so as to avoid another Daredevil or Gigli. This tomato meter has to be killing him.

I'm sure it is, but he's also probably finding some solace in the fact his Bruce Wayne/Batman is being praised as the best thing about the movie. He must be excited to not only start Justice League, but get to work on a Batman solo movie.