The Dark Knight Caine: "Heath frightened the life out of me"

[Samurai Pasta]

Oh, my... people involved in the making of this film are praising it, as are the people who will receive percentages of its gross? That is so amazing!

The only thing amazing is your ability to troll.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I hope Heath is great, and seems to be from the other actor's recognition. But I'm not bouncing off of my seat calling it the greatest performance of all time before I've seen the film. Hell, even after the trailer in December I probably won't. For me, that decision will come the moment I walk out of the theater.

 

[Reek]

i dont recall anyone saying the greatest performance of all time, just greatest JOKER of all time....which i stand by.

 

[DarkasKnight]

there is no doubt in my mind that heath will blow us all away as the joker. my opinion, he will undoubtedly top nicholsons performance in B89. jack was good for burtons movie but i really am looking forward to see the character as he was meant, a psychopatic murderer with no remorse or concept of right and wrong, nolan is going to pull this off perfectly and this will be the greatest superhero movie of all time

 

[El Payaso]

Oh, my... people involved in the making of this film are praising it, as are the people who will receive percentages of its gross? That is so amazing!

The only thing amazing is your ability to troll.

In fact he made a very good point. Praising between director-actors or between actors of the same movie is like the most common thing in the world of movies. We all need to see the movie to know how good he is.

there is no doubt in my mind that heath will blow us all away as the joker. my opinion, he will undoubtedly top nicholsons performance in B89. jack was good for burtons movie but i really am looking forward to see the character as he was meant, a psychopatic murderer with no remorse or concept of right and wrong, nolan is going to pull this off perfectly and this will be the greatest superhero movie of all time

Exactly what Nicholson was as the Joker.

Again, I trust Ledger but where is this oh-NOW-it's-gonna-be-right-as-in-before-was-wrong aphorism coming from.

Ledger will top nicholson? TDK will be the greatest superhero movie? Great. In the meantime, what if we watch the movie before judging?

 

[OctaviusINC]

Ledger will top nicholson? TDK will be the greatest superhero movie? Great. In the meantime, what if we watch the movie before judging?

Took the words straight out of my mouth.

 

[Mr. Socko]

My thoughts exactly.

 

[TheLongestDay]

In fact he made a very good point. Praising between director-actors or between actors of the same movie is like the most common thing in the world of movies. We all need to see the movie to know how good he is.



Exactly what Nicholson was as the Joker.

Again, I trust Ledger but where is this oh-NOW-it's-gonna-be-right-as-in-before-was-wrong aphorism coming from.

Ledger will top nicholson? TDK will be the greatest superhero movie? Great. In the meantime, what if we watch the movie before judging?

You are right,but i think people are just so hyped for this movie,and all the buzz coming from the production seems to be people singing Ledgers praise which is amping everyone up.

Its been 18 years since we saw a live action Joker in a movie-people are just getting overloaded with excitement

 

[Gotham]

You are right,but i think people are just so hyped for this movie,and all the buzz coming from the production seems to be people singing Ledgers praise which is amping everyone up.

Its been 18 years since we saw a live action Joker in a movie-people are just getting overloaded with excitement

Why is it so bad to have such excitement? You are telling people to calm themselves when they are enjoying the hype, talk, and fandom? There's no reason to tell them to stop. Continue on with laughing and talking people, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I'll get as excited as I want for a film.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Why is it so bad to have such excitement? You are telling people to calm themselves when they are enjoying the hype, talk, and fandom? There's no reason to tell them to stop. Continue on with laughing and talking people, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I'll get as excited as I want for a film.

Its not,but i think there are some people who hold the Burton movies quite close to there hearts and are getting offended by all the talk of Ledger out-doing Nicholson

 

[Gotham]

Its not,but i think there are some people who hold the Burton movies quite close to there hearts and are getting offended by all the talk of Ledger out-doing Nicholson

No one in their right mind would be offended. Each to their own portrayal of the character. Jack saw the character as a fat, laughing man who really didn't do anything that dangerous. Heath'll see it another way.

 

[TheLongestDay]

No one in their right mind would be offended. Each to their own portrayal of the character. Jack saw the character as a fat, laughing man who really didn't do anything that dangerous. Heath'll see it another way.

so far my personal faveourite onscreen portrayal of Joker has been Hamill in Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker,but i have a feeling Ledger will be the greatest-just judging from the vibe of the pics and what weve heard from the set

 

[TLH]

I'm enjoying the optimism this board has. Heath will probably be amazing but like most I'm going to have to wait till at least the full trailer before I give I can begin to anticipate the brilliance of his performance.

 

[El Payaso]

You are right,but i think people are just so hyped for this movie,and all the buzz coming from the production seems to be people singing Ledgers praise which is amping everyone up.

Its been 18 years since we saw a live action Joker in a movie-people are just getting overloaded with excitement

In fact I'm amongst those people. I'm just pointing out the juvenile stance of bashing anything from past with void fake and supportless arguments as a kind of celebration for that.

Why is it so bad to have such excitement?

And who said excitement for a movie is bad? I just hope the baseless bashing of B89 is not part of that healthy excitement a fan should feel for the next movie.

You are telling people to calm themselves when they are enjoying the hype, talk, and fandom?

No, I'm just ruling out their baseless criticism about another movie.

There's no reason to tell them to stop. Continue on with laughing and talking people, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I'll get as excited as I want for a film.

But if part of your excitement and hype includes to bash something else without a basis, the groundless of those arguments should be exposed.

Like:

No one in their right mind would be offended. Each to their own portrayal of the character. Jack saw the character as a fat, laughing man who really didn't do anything that dangerous. Heath'll see it another way.

- To kill a married couple on the street and after that to scare a child.
- To roast a man alive.
- To spread acid over women's face.
- To gas an entire city for the fun of it.

Another groundless argument against Jack's Joker, since he DID dangerous things. If bashing something else is your best way to appreciate something, you're not being quite kind to that 'something' since, apparently, you can see more bad around it that good in it.

 

[Figs]

In fact he made a very good point. Praising between director-actors or between actors of the same movie is like the most common thing in the world of movies. We all need to see the movie to know how good he is.



Exactly what Nicholson was as the Joker.

Again, I trust Ledger but where is this oh-NOW-it's-gonna-be-right-as-in-before-was-wrong aphorism coming from.

Ledger will top nicholson? TDK will be the greatest superhero movie? Great. In the meantime, what if we watch the movie before judging?

So far I have agreed with just about everything you have said. I consider myself a Batmanite, I still love Burton's films. I think were it is coming from has a lot to do with Caine's recent interview. Were he says Nicholson's Joker was more like "a crazy Uncle" while Heath's is going to be less silly and more homicidal and wacko.

Although I felt Nicholson's was dark like you, like you are trying to tell these other posters, I still think he was a bit too silly in relation to what a lot of us want. He a number of times made the kind of jokes or acted the kind of way that gets the audience laughing at or with him. Although I heavily enjoyed Jack's performance, it should only be Joker who finds what he says or does funny.

All in all, I'm really looking forward to Nolan/Ledgers take but just don't want them to go overboard with the crazy homicidal maniac to the point were they don't have enough of the silly goofy side we all know and love that also makes Joker the Joker.

 

[El Payaso]

So far I have agreed with just about everything you have said. I consider myself a Batmanite, I still love Burton's films. I think were it is coming from has a lot to do with Caine's recent interview. Were he says Nicholson's Joker was more like "a crazy Uncle" while Heath's is going to be less silly and more homicidal and wacko.

Mh, I didn't read that interview but if my uncle was charring people alive and gassing an entire city - as oh-god, Ra's was doing in BB - I'd say my uncle is comparable to the Joker.

I missed the part where Jack's Joker was being silly but he wasn't any short of a maniac homicide.

Although I felt Nicholson's was dark like you, like you are trying to tell these other posters, I still think he was a bit too silly in relation to what a lot of us want. He a number of times made the kind of jokes or acted the kind of way that gets the audience laughing at or with him. Although I heavily enjoyed Jack's performance, it should only be Joker who finds what he says or does funny.

That's the vision. I can see both Ledger's and Jack's Jokers being as crazy and dangerous but the tone of the movie will make you feel like his actions are either funny or disgusting.

For example, watching Jules Winnfield and Vincent Vega's actions and killings made me laugh as crazy. That doesn't make them silly characters or any less dangerous. But Tarantino's vision for Pulp Fiction allowed you to find the fun in that. As Burton did with Jack's Joker.

Once again, there was no way to sell a superhero movie successfully in 1989 if you went straight to the darkest creepiest psychopath way. Still, Jack's Joker was far more dark and scary than what's advisable to be. But for all the disturbing actions of the Joker, the director had to balance with humour, which the Joker character allows to have without falling out of character. The numbers tell us it was the right way to go so now we can still have Batman movies that sell.

That won't take any merit away from the creepier Ledger's Joker, but please, that is not an objective way he should be or simply "is". It has everything to do with the direction - subjective envisionment - of the movie and not merely with the character's objective actions.

All in all, I'm really looking forward to Nolan/Ledgers take but just don't want them to go overboard with the crazy homicidal maniac to the point were they don't have enough of the silly goofy side we all know and love that also makes Joker the Joker.

Exactly

 

[(S)laughter 99]

I do wonder if back in the days before my period on this earth (circa '88) if people were freaking out about how good Nicholson would be. Heath does seem to be getting a ridiculous amount of hype albeit it has been awhile to see a Joker on screen. But i do think that it's pretty amazing that a lot of people are singing Ledger's praises based upon some pics (which a lot of people have beef with) and a ten second clip of his voice and a few comments from his fellow cast members. I'm with everyone's praise though. I can just sense that he will be dark and just a damn scary psychopath. I once sensed that Venom would be Eric from That 70s Show and I was right lol. But im not here to bash Nicholson's performance either. I actually find Batman '89 to be really boring. I watched it recently for the first time in a while and talked through most of it..except when Nicholson came on screen. Its a very enjoyable performance. Burton shouldnt really be directing action films, but he did bring the dark back to the dark knight.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I think he'll do his thing...

 

[Mr. Socko]

No one in their right mind would be offended. Each to their own portrayal of the character. Jack saw the character as a fat, laughing man who really didn't do anything that dangerous. Heath'll see it another way.

He was far, far more dangerous than Al Ghul & Scarecrow in Begins.

 

[DieSmiling]

Obviously nothing can be judged in actuality before the movie comes out...

But what's wrong with being confident? On a personal level, there is no doubt in my mind that The Dark Knight will surpass Batman Begins as the best superhero film ever, and there's no doubt in my mind that the Heath Ledger's Joker will blow all live action interpretations of the character out of the water.

I might be wrong, but I'm confident. Why?

A) I don't "love" Burton's movies.
B) I have a ton of confidence in Christopher Nolan, Heath Ledger, and everyone involved with making this movie.

What's wrong with accepting this praise for Ledger (from Eckhart and Caine) as a affirmation for what we already thought would be the case?

 

[The Joker]

Jack saw the character as a fat, laughing man who really didn't do anything that dangerous.

Yeah, trying to kill all of Gotham with lethal poisons is not dangerous at all.

What an amateur.

 

[El Payaso]

Obviously nothing can be judged in actuality before the movie comes out...

Very true.

But what's wrong with being confident?

Very true.

On a personal level, there is no doubt in my mind that The Dark Knight will surpass Batman Begins as the best superhero film ever, and there's no doubt in my mind that the Heath Ledger's Joker will blow all live action interpretations of the character out of the water.

I might be wrong, but I'm confident. Why?

A) I don't "love" Burton's movies.

I see. So not liking another movie makes you more prepared to like something else?

B) I have a ton of confidence in Christopher Nolan, Heath Ledger, and everyone involved with making this movie.

Me too.

What's wrong with accepting this praise for Ledger (from Eckhart and Caine) as a affirmation for what we already thought would be the case?

Nothing.

What's wrong with accepting this praise without bashing something else in the process?

 

[StorminNorman]

Anyone who complains that Jack Nicholson's Joker was not a good, scratch that - GREAT interpretation is a fool. Plain and simple. I understand opinions vary, but just as I can have the opinion that the shovel in my garage is really a lumberjack - it doesn't change the fact that in reality it is a shovel.

Jack Nicholson's Joker was very in character and in tune with the character of the comics, period.

That is not to say Heath Ledger will not be as well, his Joker will simply be from different writers take on the same character.

To bash Jack because you feel the need to protect Heath, protect Nolan or hell, bash Burton and his films is ridiculous.

 

[chitownballer]

He was far, far more dangerous than Al Ghul & Scarecrow in Begins.

I don't know about that, while Jacks Joker was trying to kill ll the people in the city. Ras was actually trying to take down the people and the city itself, which to me seems much more of a danger. He was going to wipe gotham off the map!

 

[TheLongestDay]

I don't know about that, while Jacks Joker was trying to kill ll the people in the city. Ras was actually trying to take down the people and the city itself, which to me seems much more of a danger. He was going to wipe gotham off the map!

plus it should be noted that his organization had done so many times before (sacked rome,burned london the the ground) this guy had taken out thousands in the past