The Dark Knight Can The Dark Knight win an Oscar

[BatScot]

Oscar = Money

 

[BatScot]

I agree. If that happens, then only thing that could hold it back is the performances.

Nice avy BTW.

 

[Cinemaman]

Oscar = Money

Are you serious?

EVery movie can make huge box office and not have Oscar.

 

[BatScot]

Are you serious?

Yep.

EVery movie can make huge box office and not have Oscar.

Well not every movie, but I digress... a studio isn't going to turn up it's nose at a chance to make money and no matter how much a movie makes on it's own an Oscar is virtually guaranteed to put even more money in the bank.

 

[JokerNick]

^crash

 

[Poetic Chaos]

The Oscars are more credible than any other awards show. They don't nominate movies or people because they're popular. There are no Lindsay Lohan's and Jessica Alba's up for Oscars.

 

[Cinemaman]

Just look at Scorsesse. This guy is one of the greatest directors and still has no Oscar Award.

And you know why?

Because almost all his movies makes low numbers in box office, thats matter

 

[BatScot]

The Oscars are more credible than any other awards show.

You'd be surprised how few people here believe that... but if Begins had won an Oscar they all would have been falling over themselves to post how great it was that Begins had won an Oscar.

 

[Boom]

I doubt it.

 

[Two-Face]

I care less if TDK won Oscar I mean Begins didn't win it long as I like the movie like I did BB then that's all matters to me.

 

[BatScot]

I doubt it.

You doubt that there wouldn't have been a dozen threads screaming "Begins wins Oscar"?

 

[raybia]

I'm really surprised at the quality actors going into this film, Bale, Freeman, Oldman, Caine and now Ledger and maybe Hoffman.

Could this truly be an Oscar nomination for Best Picture and even win that title.

This may be the first comic book superhero movie to win an Oscar.

Ok some random thoughts.

The title - I love it! Why?

Well first this is such a non-traditional title to a Superhero movie. In fact most of these type of movies always follow a stale routine formula, so this title is such a refreshing change of pace. Also knowing Nolan, the title probably more so refers to the actual story he has crafted than to Batman himself. So the message with this title is, "Forget everything you know about Superhero movie sequels. This is something different."

Imagine, a darker movie than Batman Begins!

2nd - this monkier is well known by fans as referring to Batman but maybe not the general public. So, whats WB Marketing to do. Get the title to the movie out now so that they will have a 2 full years to market the hell out of this title and movie. By the time its released, even 93 year old men in nursing homes will know this movie is a BB sequel.

Ledger as the Joker - Again, non-traditional casting that no one would have guessed. Yes, his casting is weird, un-predictable, and is the wild-card of the cast, but so is the character of the Joker. Brilliant!

Also Nolan casts yet another Oscar nominated actor.

Is Nolan trying to make a movie that will garner serious Oscar consideration?

Nolan knows that a movie has to be taken seriously by the academy to get an Oscar nod.

Think about it. Casting? Check! (Along with rumors of Hoffman, and Phillippe as well)

Title? TDK is more of a Oscar title than Batman: something something, check!

Story? Brother Johnanth writing, possible mob involvement (the academy likes the mafia) Check!


Surprises - BOF reported that the Nolan brothers have some suprise tricks up their sleeves as well.

It seems that now that Nolan has made the obligatory "Origin film" that he is now free to really flex his muscles and make a movie that has few boundaries.

I think Nolan is really trying to create a movie from the superhero genre that has never been experienced and one that would even be considered as one of the Top 100 Greatest movies ever.

Thank you, thank you very much.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Every Best Director nomination Scorsese has lost was to a director who's movie won best picture with the exception of Roman Polanski. He won for The Pianist over Gangs of New York but Chicago won Best Picture.

 

[JokerNick]

who cares about an oscar tho.......

all I know is Katie Holmes head looks like a potatoe

 

[batmaluco]

Well not every movie, but I digress... a studio isn't going to turn up it's nose at a chance to make money and no matter how much a movie makes on it's own an Oscar is virtually guaranteed to put even more money in the bank.

What I was trying to say is: Oscar doesn't mean quality.
As a fan, I would prefer this film not to win an Oscar but to be great.
For WB this is another i$$ue. And I agree with you.
Just imagine IF B&R was a huge sucess with the main public, even being hated by us, the bat-fans. We would have that kind of crapfest for years. Argh!

But this doesn't mean that I would start to like a bad melodramatic film just because it won an Oscar (or several), like Titanic, for instance.

 

[ultimatefan]

The possibility exists for any film if it is of sufficient caliber, which is why Begins was not nominated: genre limitations are an excuse. Now I strongly suspect that DK will be better written than Begins, and thus a better film overall, which would give it the outside chance that Begins never had.

Genre limitations are a fact, the Oscar rarely gives major awards to sci-fi or fantasy-oriented movies. Movies like 2001, Blade Runner, Rosemary´s Baby and Planet of The Apes are now deemed classics, but none won "important" Oscars (movie, director, etc.)

 

[Boom]

You doubt that there wouldn't have been a dozen threads screaming "Begins wins Oscar"?

No. I doubt TDK will win an Oscar. I was just answering the topic's question .

 

[Castlewood]

I think the title being "The Dark Knight" without Batman's name in the title qualifies it to be nominated for Best Picture AUTOMATICALLY...

BECAUSE....it tells me that this movie is being treated SERIOUSLY....it's not being treated like a Batman movie.

Look at Batman Begins.....if you watched the first hour of the movie in complete silence, you never would've known it was a Batman movie. You would've thought it was something else. Even the TEASER TRAILER made us believe it was something else.

Nolan is treating this like it's REAL......MORE real than Batman Begins.

I'm seriously expecting a rated R movie for adults, filled with adult themes, and ten times more serious and real than Batman Begins. I think this movie will be the one that little kids should stay AWAY from. I don't want to see action figures, I don't want toys, t-shirts, NOTHING. I want this movie to be treated like it's The Godfather.

The fact that "Batman" is NOT in the title AUTOMATICALLY tells all of us that we are NOT seeing a Batman movie.....we're just seeing a MOVIE. Now, if this movie were to have a boring or crappy title like Spider-Man 3, you already know what you're going to see.....something like Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man 2. If you have a title like The Dark Knight, it tells you, "You're not getting what you got before."

I think the title "Batman Begins" was simply to get you in the theatre so you could say, "Yep, the movie's good, and it's a Batman movie."
Now that the sequel is coming out and it has a title like "The Dark Knight", you can now expect something 1,000% darker, bloodier, and BETTER.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

If anything if Begins was nominated for best pic then I would believe the WB was given payola to the Academy.

 

[batmaluco]

You'd be surprised how few people here believe that... but if Begins had won an Oscar they all would have been falling over themselves to post how great it was that Begins had won an Oscar.

Batman 89 won an Oscar but this is not used to prove that it is a better movie.

 

[kytrigger]

I think the title being "The Dark Knight" without Batman's name in the title qualifies it to be nominated for Best Picture AUTOMATICALLY...

BECAUSE....it tells me that this movie is being treated SERIOUSLY....it's not being treated like a Batman movie.

Look at Batman Begins.....if you watched the first hour of the movie in complete silence, you never would've known it was a Batman movie. You would've thought it was something else. Even the TEASER TRAILER made us believe it was something else.

Nolan is treating this like it's REAL......MORE real than Batman Begins.

I'm seriously expecting a rated R movie for adults, filled with adult themes, and ten times more serious and real than Batman Begins. I think this movie will be the one that little kids should stay AWAY from. I don't want to see action figures, I don't want toys, t-shirts, NOTHING. I want this movie to be treated like it's The Godfather.

The fact that "Batman" is NOT in the title AUTOMATICALLY tells all of us that we are NOT seeing a Batman movie.....we're just seeing a MOVIE. Now, if this movie were to have a boring or crappy title like Spider-Man 3, you already know what you're going to see.....something like Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man 2. If you have a title like The Dark Knight, it tells you, "You're not getting what you got before."

I think the title "Batman Begins" was simply to get you in the theatre so you could say, "Yep, the movie's good, and it's a Batman movie."
Now that the sequel is coming out and it has a title like "The Dark Knight", you can now expect something 1,000% darker, bloodier, and BETTER.

Then you will be dissapointed. There is no way this movie will go R. WB would lose too much money. It might be a little darker than BB but not by much.

 

[JokerNick]

Batman 89 won an Oscar but this is not used to prove that it is a better movie.

The academy does make mistakes

*cough, Shakespear In Love, Cough*

 

[Castlewood]

But see, they did it with comic books and graphic novels.....they look "cartoony" and "kiddy" but they've got blood, nudity, bad language, etc. In other words, something that looks like it should be for kids (comic books, that is) are in fact, NOT.
I'm not saying that this movie should have those things...all I'm saying is, if the Joker is supposed to be a psychotic freak, why wouldn't they make him like that? If we need to see some blood, why would that be bad? It's his CHARACTER.
If we are allowed to see a comic book targeted to children where The Joker shoots Barbara Gordon in the spine and nobody has a problem with it, WHY OH WHY wouldn't we put those things in a MOVIE???

 

[JokerNick]

they better show the Joker beat the lif out of someone with a crow bar...

 

[BatScot]

Genre limitations are a fact, the Oscar rarely gives major awards to sci-fi or fantasy-oriented movies. Movies like 2001, Blade Runner, Rosemary´s Baby and Planet of The Apes are now deemed classics, but none won "important" Oscars (movie, director, etc.)

And yet each film you list was in fact recognized by the Academy, all more so than Begins, and two actually won an Oscar, with an Honorary Oscar being given to a third, and the films that won Best Picture those years, Oliver and Ghandi, each met with universal critical acclaim. And of the Best Picture nominations there are dramas, stage adaptations, musicals, sci-fi, and comedies... quite a mix of genres, and it might just be that these ‘limitations’ are simply indicative of the fact that certain films lost out to more deserving ones—in either nomination or award—and it makes no difference in that sense whether or not you’re talking about a technical Oscar or one of the ‘Big Ones'.