The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - Part 15

[speno94]

Castor troy, where would you rank TWS, is it better than Avengers and Iron Man 1 etc?

Also, do you think this is the most sophisticated and serious out of all the Marvel films?

 

[J.Howlett]

Interesting that apparently, this film takes place after Iron Man 3 and Thor the Dark World.

So much for the idea that something was wrong with SHIELD during Iron Man 3, hence their absence from the film, considering the events of that film. Anyway...

 

[Castor troy]

My apologies dear lady, the name perhaps should have been a hint for me.

As mentioned I saw this film only a couple of weeks ago and can confirm that it was 100% complete, however it was the 2D version and not 3D.

I do believe you when you say the screening has been moved because of the 3D not being complete. I too was told the 3D version had not been completed.

I'm not familiar with the comics so I don't know how Peggy fits into it, so I don't want to go into spoiler territory, but she fits in because she was involved with a certain organization.

a) I'm female.
b) TeeKay has seen the movie a few weeks ago just like you and there wasn't either the FX nor the sounds finished.
c) I got my press screening on Monday and they delayed the whole schedule just today because the 3D isn't ready yet.

*edit* Also wondering if you don't have a review embargo until 21st of March like everyone who has an early screening.

 

[Huddsy]

Good read: 60 Things to Know About Captain America: The Winter Soldier

http://collider.com/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-set-visit-recap/

Spoiler

Captain America:
-The main relationship centers on Cap’s internal struggles, though Cap’s relationships with Sam Wilson/Falcon and Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow are also important. Cap and Fury’s relationship is described as “combative”.
-Part of Cap’s modernized fighting style includes more creative use of the shield.
-The heart of the movie is how “a character with a code like Cap [is working] for a clandestine organization which has a very subversive agenda.”
-The Russos describe their vision of Cap as being similar to Rocky, in terms of his clear and open code, and being someone whom the audiences roots for.
-Chris Evans did more than just bring Cap to life; he’s also very involved in the direction and production side of the business.
-Cap’s new suit was designed with covert operations and top-grade military technology in mind, but is also a thematic element throughout the film.
-Taking inspiration from Three Days of the Condor, the early part of the film is spent encouraging the audience to care about Cap, and then putting him in jeopardy for the rest of the film.
-When we find Cap in this movie, he’s in the midst of a daily life and has adjusted, more or less, to the modern world.
-A core theme surrounding Cap is the idea that he once used to represent America and has now become alien to modern thoughts and values due to the passage of time.
-The screenwriters see Cap as their “Gary Cooper”.
-Chris Evans loves the previous Captain America video game, and compares his fighting style in this movie to his character in the game.
-Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson meet at the VA hospital where Wilson works as a therapist, essentially, for soldiers struggling with PTSD.

The Falcon:
-Mackie plays Sam Wilson as a “strong man as opposed to a comic book character.”
-The Falcon’s wings are CG, though they had a practical pair on set for reference.
-Mackie was hoping to play the version of the Falcon with “a bird and spandex and prostitutes and cocaine.”
-The camaraderie between the Falcon and Captain America is built on a shared military experience.
-Mackie hasn’t heard whether or not he’ll appear in the Avengers sequel.
-As part of his preparation, Mackie developed character sub-plots in which Black Widow is a romantic love interest and Nick Fury is a father figure. Keep an eye out for that in the movie.
-The Falcon is a little more outwardly funny, but is very much a 21st century human being.
-The Falcon is less a fan of Captain America and more a comrade in arms.
-The Falcon’s origin is more organic than the Red Skull plot arc from the comics.

The Winter Soldier:
-Sebastian Stan only knew (officially) that he’d be playing the Winter Soldier about a year before shooting. He found out the title at Comic-Con along with everyone else.
-Stan says he had no clue that Marvel was planning on going in this direction, but wishes he had known during filming of his torture scene in Captain America: The First Avenger.
-Stan wanted to tie in the Bucky character from the first film with the Winter Soldier character from this one, but the main focus is on the present-day iteration.
-Stan credited the costume department with making an authentic costume that’s actually quite flexible and comfortable.
-Stan suffered a burst blood vessel in his eye on set, but used the “cool” look to add to his character.
-Stan promises that, although he wears a mask, his voice won’t sound anything like Bane.
-The backstory between Winter Soldier and Black Widow is not expected to be explored in this film, but it is acknowledged.

General:
-This movie stands on its own, but it certainly respects its roots in the origin film.
-Anthony Mackie owes his knowledge of The Falcon to his brother, a comic book fan. (He also owes his brother a new collection since Mackie destroyed them when he was little.)
-Mackie shares a hilarious story about green-screen acting from his time on We Are Marshall.
-Mackie says that the Russo brothers have really grounded this film in a believable world that supports the political thriller aspect, and it’s helped by the caliber of the cast involved.
-Mackie was a little put off by Marvel’s secrecy at the outset, but learned to trust in the people behind the scenes.
-Kevin Feige was a fan of the Russos’ work on Community and wanted to meet them to talk about Cap. After intense competition, they landed the job.
-The Russos stressed how strong the initial script was and how supportive Marvel has been with making the movie they want to make.
- Russo compared the cinematic version of Ed Brubaker’s Winter Soldier storyline to that of Star Wars, saying that seeing this level of emotional stakes of this hero’s journey is rare.
- The movie is set up on dual storylines early on that eventually intersect with Cap taking over.
-Expect the fighting to be very visceral and believable in this one.
-Production shut down a freeway in Cleveland for two weeks.
-Action sequences in the movie, like car chases for example, are influenced by films like To Live and Die in L.A., and Ronin.
-There is a Three Days of the Condor Easter egg in the film, but it’s of the “pause your DVD and look” variety.
-There’s a “very big idea that they’re exploring in the third act of this movie. It’s a sort of monumental idea for the MCU [that] impacts everything.”
-There will also be a Brubaker Easter egg.
-Stan Lee will have a cameo in this film.
-Screenwriters Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus wanted to write a conspiracy thriller and avoided having Cap struggle to understand modern conveniences.
-Black Widow was specifically chosen to partner up with Cap because she represents a gray morality and a modern era, along with being the right person to poke at his weak spots.
-Three Days of the Condor, Marathon Man, and The Parallax View are three films that influenced the script.
-The world is in a transitional state with the knowledge of the existence of alien species, so S.H.I.E.L.D. is not 100% in agreement on how to handle the threat.
--98% of the movies takes place in the present, with only 2% in flashbacks. They experimented with a heavy flashback structure in early tests.
-The movie is not intentionally designed to set things up for future Marvel sequels or to end on a cliffhanger.
-Frank Grillo’s Crossbones character is “learning to be Crossbones in a way” in this movie. There’s a possibility of him cross into the R-rated boundary (and beyond) “somewhere down the line.”
-Carter/Agent 13 (Emily VanCamp) is described as “another option for Captain America and for Steve Rogers to think about moving forward in his life.”
-The Winter Soldier is described as a “negative image of Steve [Rogers].”
-As Markus says, “This movie is going to punch you in the face.”
-As Feige says, “just as [Cap is] perhaps finding a niche for himself, his past comes back and lands like a ton of bricks on his head in the form of Winter Soldier.”
-Captain America: The Winter Soldier will pull from multiple comics over the years in which Cap fought against the changing status quo of what it means to be American.
-The film takes place after the events of Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 3, but may not overtly callback to those films.
-Robert Redford wanted to do the film in part because his grandkids are fans of Marvel movies and he wanted them to see him in one.
-Marvel approached Glenn Close for her role in Guardians of the Galaxy.
-Marvel and Feige are on guard to avoid painting themselves into a corner storywise.
-As much as fans think Marvel is putting out misinformation campaigns, Feige denies it and says that fan rumors do enough of that on their own.

Read more at http://collider.com/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-set-visit-recap/#JYgUqFEDSJzyEWr6.99

 

[Huddsy]

Reading collider.com's 60 things article and one particular part made me extremely happy. The film, apparently, stands alone and doesn't intentionally set up further things in the MCU or end on a cliffhanger.

Again, right up my alley.

I bet it does set up things, but not so much intentionally. More of a movie that just stands on it's own, and then likely see A:AoU take pieces from it and build off it into the next phase.

I never expected a cliffhanger.

 

[TJByrum]

Whoa!

Spoiler

During the line where Cap says "People are gonna die; I can't let that happen," in the trailer at the end of the new clip, it looks like he's in his WWII gear on that railing with the Winter Soldier about to fight.

Now to me it seems like Bucky has his memory back and is all like "I'm sorry Steve, but I have to do this," and Steve is like "People are gonna die; I can't let that happen," so Bucky and Cap fight.

But trailers DO like to mix up the audio with random clips a lot.

 

[Castor troy]

This probably Marvels most violent film if that's way of describing it. People actually get killed in front on your eyes. For me personally, no this is not better than Avengers or Iron man, I love those films.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Interesting that apparently, this film takes place after Iron Man 3 and Thor the Dark World.

So much for the idea that something was wrong with SHIELD during Iron Man 3, hence their absence from the film, considering the events of that film. Anyway...

Some people had that idea? I just assumed that they avoided the "where are Shield and the other Avengers" question because they are too lazy to address those questions. And by they I mean Marvel.

And if anyone thinks that is a dig, I don't care. I do think it's silly not to address that in your shared Universe. It didn't ruin Iron Man 3 for me and it won't ruin Captain America 2, it's just one of those things that I don't care for.

 

[The Caped Knight]

For those that think Cap won't be well received by the critics forget how well The First Avenger was well received



I think The Winter Soldier will do even better because it's more of a modern day film with more of political thriller style.

 

[TeeKay]

This probably Marvels most violent film if that's way of describing it. People actually get killed in front on your eyes. For me personally, no this is not better than Avengers or Iron man, I love those films.

I thought it was better than IM1 and The Avengers. So jello that you got to see a completed cut. I saw a rough cut with barely any VFX done. I hope the final cut is as good as you say.t:

 

[TJByrum]

This probably Marvels most violent film if that's way of describing it. People actually get killed in front on your eyes. For me personally, no this is not better than Avengers or Iron man, I love those films.

Would you at least say TWS in on par with those films?

 

[Figs]

This probably Marvels most violent film if that's way of describing it. People actually get killed in front on your eyes. For me personally, no this is not better than Avengers or Iron man, I love those films.

Hahaha! I love how Captain America's films are the most violent. There was a good deal of death in The First Avenger as well.

 

[J.Howlett]

Some people had that idea? I just assumed that they avoided the "where are Shield and the other Avengers" question because they are too lazy to address those questions. And by they I mean Marvel.

And if anyone thinks that is a dig, I don't care. I do think it's silly not to address that in your shared Universe. It didn't ruin Iron Man 3 for me and it won't ruin Captain America 2, it's just one of those things that I don't care for.

To this day, because of the events of the plot of Iron Man 3, it bugs me to no end. Needed to be addressed but that's another conversation.

 

[Silvermoon]

Once again, just a friendly reminder with screenings coming up and what not, could you please remember that if you are going to post spoilers, please place them under the spoiler tags?

I'm sure those of us that still want to discuss the film, but don't want to be spoiled yet, would appreciate it

Thank you in advance

 

[Huddsy]

Some people had that idea? I just assumed that they avoided the "where are Shield and the other Avengers" question because they are too lazy to address those questions. And by they I mean Marvel.

And if anyone thinks that is a dig, I don't care. I do think it's silly not to address that in your shared Universe. It didn't ruin Iron Man 3 for me and it won't ruin Captain America 2, it's just one of those things that I don't care for.

People complain when AoS has off the cusp mentions about Iron Man or whoever for the sake of it. If they did even have a small explanation for why they weren't around, people would have said it didn't fit and stuck out.

I still don't see the need for it since the Dark Elves showed up and were destroyed within all of 30 minutes. No time for SHIELD to even get there. And IM3, it wasn't that long either. All of a day.

 

[Castor troy]

Would you at least say TWS in on par with those films?

Yes, that's a fair assumption.

 

[TeeKay]

"The film takes place after the events of Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 3, but may not overtly callback to those films."

I don't recall this being mentioned in the film. If that's the case then what the hell was Shield and Cap doing during the events of IM3 and Thor 2?

 

[J.Howlett]

I thought it was better than IM1 and The Avengers. So jello that you got to see a completed cut. I saw a rough cut with barely any VFX done. I hope the final cut is as good as you say.t:

If it's better than Iron Man, I'll eat my damn hat.

 

[J.Howlett]

I don't recall this being mentioned in the film, if that's the case then what the hell was Shield and Cap doing during the events of IM3 and Thor 2?

Been saying this since day one. I have a theory about Iron Man 3 and the behind the scenes of that film.

 

[TeeKay]

If it's better than Iron Man, I'll eat my damn hat.

That's just my opnion though. I also thought IM3 was better than the Avengers and IM1, so don't take my opinion with any credence.

 

[Huddsy]

I don't recall this being mentioned in the film. If that's the case then what the hell was Shield and Cap doing during the events of IM3 and Thor 2?

How does SHIELD get to the crash site in TDW in the 30 minutes that Malakeith and Thor battle?

And in IM3 it was explained that the U.S. Government were not letting anyone else to be involved with the Mandarin issues. Specifically because the VP was involved in the whole plot. So he kept people out.

Then the President gets taken and by the time he was hung up to the end of the battle wasn't long at all... again maybe an hour.

So I don't see any reason why we'd expect SHIELD to show up in full force. It takes some time.

 

[J.Howlett]

How does SHIELD get to the crash site in TDW in the 30 minutes that Malakeith and Thor battle?

And in IM3 it was explained that the U.S. Government were not letting anyone else to be involved with the Mandarin issues. Specifically because the VP was involved in the whole plot. So he kept people out.

Then the President gets taken and by the time he was hung up to the end of the battle wasn't long at all... again maybe an hour.

So I don't see any reason why we'd expect SHIELD to show up in full force. It takes some time.

SHIELD showed up after Stark returned from captivity. They can't show themselves when a coup de tet is in progress in the US?

 

[speno94]

Castor troy, where would you rank The Winter Soldier as a villain out of Loki, Abomination, Malekith, Red Skull, Obidiah Stane, Aldrich Killian, Ivan Vanko etc

Is he one of the more better layered interesting villains like Loki?

 

[TeeKay]

How does SHIELD get to the crash site in TDW in the 30 minutes that Malakeith and Thor battle?

And in IM3 it was explained that the U.S. Government were not letting anyone else to be involved with the Mandarin issues. Specifically because the VP was involved in the whole plot. So he kept people out.

Then the President gets taken and by the time he was hung up to the end of the battle wasn't long at all... again maybe an hour.

So I don't see any reason why we'd expect SHIELD to show up in full force. It takes some time.

I think that time frame is inacurate, because Feige said

"It is smack dab between Avengers and Avengers 2. It takes place after both Thor and Iron Man."

If Cap happens in real time, then this movie takes place before IM3 and Thor 2.

 

[Huddsy]

SHIELD showed up after Stark returned from captivity. They can't show themselves when a coup de tat is in progress in the US?

They showed up after a long plane ride from the Middle East to America with an announced press conference to the media. Different.

With the president, he was taken and by the time people knew he was on the ship, Stark and Rhoadey showed up and had a quick little battle that didn't last long. So I don't see how they'd be quick enough to get there.