Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 1

[Mike Murdock]

I don't think the comics create things for the purpose of giving the movies things to do. If she gets new villains, it'll likely be because the comics want to give her new villains. If a movie doesn't have new villains, they'll likely draw from the rest of their universe rather than use solo villains.

 

[Mike5575]

Carol Danvers has quite a bit of emotional baggage as well, though. From alcoholic father, to losing her memory (twice), to that whole rape thing. That being said, most of that will almost certainly never make it on screen.

Yeah, but she's never gone bat**** crazy like the Scarlet Witch IIRC. I agree though, Marvel is not going to make their first female superhero movie about a recovering alcoholic and rape victim. IM2 was about as close as they'll ever get to Tony Stark's alcoholism.

 

[flickchick85]

You think if the solo Captain Marvel movie is a success and gets a sequel in phase 4 that Marvel will create some new villains for Carol? Her rogues gallery is incredibly weak.

I don't think they need to create new ones. To start with, she's got the Kree enemies she can deal with - Yon-Rogg, the Sentries, The Supreme Intelligence, etc. - and there's characters like Deathbird and Moonstone they could use too. I also wouldn't be opposed to them using some of the Avengers villains unlikely to be used in Avengers films. For example, if they aren't gonna use Korvac in an Avengers film (which I doubt they will any time soon, given the other options available to them after Thanos), he absolutely needs to show up somewhere, imo, and I think the most natural fit would be in a Captain Marvel or GotG film. However, I doubt either party would be able to defeat him on their own, so some sort of team-up might be required. But generally speaking, I think Captain Marvel would be a great title to send unwanted Avengers villains to, given her vast power-set and how she bridges the cosmic and Earthbound MCU.

 

[fixxxer]

In Phase 4, I would love for them to have a "Cosmic Marvel" team-up movie drawing from Annihilation and Annihilation: Conquest featuring GOTG, Cap'n Marvel and Nova. It could basically serve as Phase 4's "Civil War" type event movie without being an Avengers film.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Too many of her villains are tied up with X-Men, but Moonstone is a good choice. Deathbird has a terrible name. I'm not sure who owns the Shi'ar, which complicates things. The Brood are probably just flat out.

Yon Rogg is lame, but would work as part of something more (such as fighting the whole Kree Empire, including Sentries and going up against the Supreme Intelligence).

 

[Mike5575]

What about Doomsday Machine and Modok? There's also Patriarchy, though the idea of Carol beating up dinosaur people sounds a bit silly. There's also the Cru.

What about the Brood? Does Marvel own the rights to them? What I like about this villain is that they're just a race of giant bugs, meaning Carol could really cut loose and kill these things. It would be really cool to see her blast holes in through them with her energy blasts or just rip them in half with her bare hands.

Carol hates bugs.

 

[Havok83]

I think her definitive enemy is probably Mystique but obviously thats off limits.

Too many of her villains are tied up with X-Men, but Moonstone is a good choice. Deathbird has a terrible name. I'm not sure who owns the Shi'ar, which complicates things. The Brood are probably just flat out.

Yon Rogg is lame, but would work as part of something more (such as fighting the whole Kree Empire, including Sentries and going up against the Supreme Intelligence).

I think Deathbird would be an excellent choice and its one I suggested. The Shi'ar is tricky but hopefully they are shared property

Moonstone eventually but I think she's pretty lowkey. Id rather a bigger threat and frankly someone who isnt that similar to Carol, at least not yet. If and when they get to Moonstone, I dont want her to be the only villian, but paired with someone else or in a group

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

They pretty much have to do Moonstone at some point because of her importance to The Thunderbolts.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Moonstone seems interesting to me because of her psychologist background. Even if you take her super powers out of the equation she can still manipulate and push the buttons of the people around her. She's potentially scary for the same reason Hannibal Lector is scary. Add super powers to that and you should have a massive threat to any hero going up against her.

I don't know why a character like that isn't a bigger deal in the comics universe (when was the last time she appeared in a Marvel comic?) or hasn't been used more in other media outside of the comics. She could easily work as Carol's arch nemesis in any medium (comics, tv, or movies), even without the Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers or other team connections.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I thought she was interesting because of her sympathetic portrayal in Ms. Marvel. I don't think it ended up working out for her, though.

 

[Mike5575]

I heard that the effect of flying is rather expensive unless you're a cgi character like Iron Man. I guess this would explain why Iron Man flies a lot more than Thor in the movies. Yet, in Man Of Steel, Superman is shown flying more than Thor did in all the movies he's been in combined. I really hope that Carol's movie really captures the magic of flight. This is why I'm kind of hoping it's an origin story so we can see Carol learning to fly for the first time. I'm thinking of that scene in MOS where Superman is learning to fly. Replace Superman with Carol and keep that Hanz Zimmer soundtrack to add to the pure awesomeness.

[YT]http://youtu.be/VlINHSnUx9k[/YT]

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I still want to know where this "no more origin movies" stuff came from. Where did Marvel say they weren't going to do anymore origin stories for their films? Spider-Man makes sense because his origin has been told twice on screen in the course of a decade. But there has never been a Dr. Strange movie or a Carol Danvers movie. Their origins have never been told on screen before. Why would Marvel short change those characters by just having them appear fully super powered with no explanation, giving the mainstream audience no context or reason to get emotionally invested in them?

 

[Mike5575]

I still want to know where this "no more origin movies" stuff came from. Where did Marvel say they weren't going to do anymore origin stories for their films? Spider-Man makes sense because his origin has been told twice on screen in the course of a decade. But there has never been a Dr. Strange movie or a Carol Danvers movie. Their origins have never been told on screen before. Why would Marvel short change those characters by just having them appear fully super powered with no explanation, giving the mainstream audience no context or reason to get emotionally invested in them?

It was actually stated by Kevin Feige when he announced phase 3. With all the movies being put out, Feige believes that people are eventually going to tire of that formula. Besides, origin stories take up a good chunk of a movie. Instead, you could have origin stories established in a previous film, so by the time of the origin film, the hero can jump into action.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

It was actually stated by Kevin Feige when he announced phase 3. With all the movies being put out, Feige believes that people are eventually going to tire of that formula. Besides, origin stories take up a good chunk of a movie. Instead, you could have origin stories established in a previous film, so by the time of the origin film, the hero can jump into action.

Are you sure that is exactly what he said?

 

[Iceman]

Once her solo and Avengers appearances are done I'd like to see her appear in a GotG or for one or two of them to appear in one of her films.

 

[Mike5575]

^

http://www.latino-review.com/news/marvel-no-more-origin-stories-starting-with-doctor-strange

 

[Mike Murdock]

The article is old and no one is certain how much credibility it has.

 

[MbJ]

The article is old and no one is certain how much credibility it has.

And in fact i'm pretty sure some of the stuff they've said about the future movies outright contradicts the "No more origins" thing.

James Gunn has said that Carol is NOT the female Guardian he was alluding to earlier in the week. I still think it'd be cool if they used Phyla in the Guardians sequel and used it to set up Captain Marvel in a few ways. Like mention her famous dad or something.

 

[Snow Queen]

And in fact i'm pretty sure some of the stuff they've said about the future movies outright contradicts the "No more origins" thing.

James Gunn has said that Carol is NOT the female Guardian he was alluding to earlier in the week. I still think it'd be cool if they used Phyla in the Guardians sequel and used it to set up Captain Marvel in a few ways. Like mention her famous dad or something.

Thank goodness for that. Wouldn't mind seeing Mar-Vell in it though, if it fits the story.

 

[fixxxer]

It was actually stated by Kevin Feige when he announced phase 3. With all the movies being put out, Feige believes that people are eventually going to tire of that formula. Besides, origin stories take up a good chunk of a movie. Instead, you could have origin stories established in a previous film, so by the time of the origin film, the hero can jump into action.

I don't remember Feige saying anything close to that. Can you point me towards an article that quotes Feige or anyone from Marvel saying something to that effect?

The link you later provided quotes Devin Faraci from Badass Digest. While he is definitely among the more credible of the geek entertainment journalists out there, he often has a tendency to get ahead himself by mixing big dollops of speculation to go along with the actual news his sources give him.

If anything, Feige has gone out of his way to say that Dr. Strange has one of the best origin stories in comics. Even if the movie starts off in "media res" as he says, I expect them to skip back to Dr. Strange, egotistical surgeon (ala Iron Man). While it's entirely possible they skip a traditional origin story, I am pretty skeptical that they will.

Captain Marvel on the other hand, I can see them skipping the origin story or speedily glossing over it via a flashback montage. This is unfortunate because it's something that I would've really liked to get into, but my thinking isn't based on anything Faraci said, but rather due to the placement of her movie in between the two Infinity Wars movies.

I believe the big 3 (Stark, Rogers, Thor) won't be a part of A:IW1... or might only show up in a post-credit scene. So, I expect a powered up Danvers (along with the others) to go against Thanos. Lone Air Force lieutenant/captain/major Danvers going against Thanos alongside various other supers wouldn't make too much sense to me. Considering her solo comes after A:IW1, I don't think there's much wiggle room to do a full origin story there.

 

[Mike5575]

I honestly can't remember where I've heard this. In that case, I kind of hope it's a rumor.

 

[ernesth100]

Now this may be a stretch. But let's remember Captain Marv-El is a part of Carol Danvers origin...I think. Now, I believe Captain Marvel will have been on Earth for a while when the film opens. He'll have been dating Carol until a Kree Robot attacks. Marvel is trying to defend the planet and at some point Carol is caught in the crossfire. Marvel-El shield her with his body and her DNA is effected by his molcules being scattered onto her from the explosion.

Marvel dies but Danvers get's his powers. The Kree Robot has been destroyed also. I imagine this would be perfect means for Danvers to have a funny motage of her using her powers by accident it'd fit the light tone the Marvel films have had thus far. Eventually she is confronted by a Space Division of SHIELD dealing with intergalactic dangers. She is recruited and chooses the name Ms. Marvel.


It is his point that the Kree attacks again full force and Marvel helps SHIELD save the planet. I think this'd be perfect means to have Thanos come in as well. SHIELD will probably still have Loki's scepter and Thanos comes in beats the hell out of Ms. Marvel and takes the septer ripping the gem out and leaves the planet.


It end there and since this is before Infinity War Part 2 but after 1 I imagine Thanos would have gotten a gem that allows him to fly off the Planet in an epic style. This would lead directly into Infinity War Part 2.


Simple as that.

 

[Mike5575]

Yeah, I hope they at least include the sentry robots. Space division of Shield? Could they use Sword? Carol will take up the mantle of Captain Marvel. She won't be called Ms. Marvel.

Oh, and anyone interested in the Kree in the MCU may consider watching Agents of Shield tomorrow. A Kree by the name of Vin-Tek shows up on Earth looking for the Inhumans, or as Lady Sif calls them, "Kree slave warriors." Should be interesting.

http://youtu.be/5pnnEhrsHrs

 

[ernesth100]

Damn, I gotta get back into AoS. It has been going down on there.

 

[cph9fa]

For anyone not watching AoS, we just got a version of "Mar-Vell Lite" in Vin-Tak. OK, not quite, but it sure felt like it.

Spoiler

He was an underover blue Kree, with a disguising technology that made his skin look pink. He even needed Nitrogen gas to continue powering it (in the original, Mar-Vell needed Nitrogen gas to help him breathe in Earth's atmosphere). He was searching in a cave for the Kree Diviners (aka Terrigen Crystals), which felt a bit like the cave where the Psyche-Magnitron was hidden. He talked a bunch about nobility, and turned out not to be such a bad guy, except for the part where he wanted to eliminate Skye. Sif returned him to his home world of Hala.

I'd suspected as much before, but now I'm pretty well convinced that there are no "Pink Kree" in the MCU.