Captain Marvel Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Mike5575]

She's bat**** crazy. She had a video criticizing Brie's hat pose after the casting announcement saying that it was too "sexy" and that somehow it would affect her likability and people's perception of Marvel's first female solo superhero movie. How the hell do people even come to conclusions like that?

But Grace Randolph in general....

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Grace Randolph is a **** and I hate her. She got fired from Marvel. She used to host a show on YouTube called The Watcher. She has since been replaced by that nice red-haired lady. She definitely has an anti-Marvel bias. She never gave the Captain Marvel movie a chance and its looking like she doesn't want to give Brie the benefit of the doubt, either.

 

[Web-Head]

The thing between Grace and John Campea was hilarious though.

 

[Dark Raven]

Grace Randolph is a **** and I hate her. She got fired from Marvel. She used to host a show on YouTube called The Watcher. She has since been replaced by that nice red-haired lady. She definitely has an anti-Marvel bias. She never gave the Captain Marvel movie a chance and its looking like she doesn't want to give Brie the benefit of the doubt, either.

You're talking about Lorraine Cinq?

And why did Grace Randolph get fired? What did she do? Are any of her old videos of the Watcher still up or have Marvel removed them completely?

I don't really even see much of Lorraine Cinq's Watcher videos these days. I wondered if Marvel are still producing them.

 

[Web-Head]

You're talking about Lorraine Cinq?

And why did Grace Randolph get fired? What did she do? Are any of her old videos of the Watcher still up or have Marvel removed them completely?

I don't really even see much of Lorraine Cinq's Watcher videos these days. I wondered if Marvel are still producing them.

She does Marvel minute every Monday I think and another video with Agent M called "Thwip" but anyway...back to Captain Marvel

 

[DarthMuppet]

The thing between Grace and John Campea was hilarious though.

Especially when you consider that Grace attacked John for supposedly being a "shill for Marvel" and having an "anti-DC" agenda when he was one of the most vocal defenders of BvS. She was already a fool... Her little tirade just made it even more obvious.

 

[flickchick85]

Well...NOW I'd say she's out of the running, lol:

http://www.thewrap.com/emily-carmichael-to-direct-lumberjanes-for-20th-century-fox-exclusive/

On a side note, this girl's career is skyrocketing. You go, Emily Carmichael.

 

[LoganGambit87]

CAPTAIN MARVEL Writer Says Origin Story Will Be Changed Due To GREEN LANTERN Similarities

"I don’t think I’ve ever had a project where I’ve been more mindful about the impact that it could have and the importance of it. She’s such an incredibly kick-ass character and Kelly Sue DeConnick did a great run with her story arc recently. But here’s the thing, if you were just going to do a straight adaptation of the comics, her origin story is very similar to Green Lantern. And obviously, that’s not what we want to do. There’s a lot of reinvention that needs to happen. And also, she’s her own person and she’s a great character. We have to be aware of what’s happened in other Marvel film and makes sure that her particular storyline is unique and fun and also fits in within this world that’s going on at the same time. It’s a little bit of an interesting story gauntlet. It’s been good to have a partner. It’s been an incredible experience. If we can pull it off it could be an incredibly important but also really fun and kick-ass superhero film.”

makes sense since Both of their origins have an alien coming to Earth through extenuating circumstances, passes his abilities on to an unassuming human

and both hal and carol are also pilots lol

 

[flickchick85]

Hmmm...interesting. My best guess as to what will be changed? Mar-Vell's significance, based on that "she's her own person" line. IF he's still in the movie, he'll be a regular Kree that doesn't have her powers first. She'll simply get them from the explosion, so that she'll be the only person in the universe who has them. Just a guess, because it sounds to me like they didn't like the idea of her being a duplicate or spin-off character for her own film.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Being a big fan of Mar-Vell I'm not really a big fan of Mar-vell getting the shaft like that (if it happens), to be honest.

 

[BarryAllen]

But isn't how she gets her powers from Mar-Vell different then Hal and Abin Sur? And if anything, I guess we can expect Nova's origin to be reworked if he ever gets a movie.

It also sounds like they are aware of the events of Infinity War (Carol's movie is in between) and that'll impact CM to some degree.

Hopefully they still have Mar-Vell in some capacity. I think there are ways to include him in the movie in a supporting capacity without having it be a mantle passing or have Carol feel like a spin-off. He can be a Kree agent she allies with and assists her in fighting off Yon-Rogg and Dr. Minerva before dying (and she takes up the name Captain Marvel to honor him rather than as a spin-off version). He could have his A:EMH look:

Only question is how would Carol's red/yellow/blue outfit come about (if they end up going that route)?

 

[flickchick85]

Being a big fan of Mar-Vell I'm not really a big fan of Mar-vell getting the shaft like that (if it happens), to be honest.

Neither am I, but that's what it sounds like to me.

 

[Silvermoth]

I'm ok with an origin change. The question is will they jettison the military angle and go with the 'she works in PR' angle?

 

[Web-Head]

I'm ok with an origin change. The question is will they jettison the military angle and go with the 'she works in PR' angle?

Really hope not

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well...NOW I'd say she's out of the running, lol:

http://www.thewrap.com/emily-carmichael-to-direct-lumberjanes-for-20th-century-fox-exclusive/

On a side note, this girl's career is skyrocketing. You go, Emily Carmichael.

When is Lumberjanes coming out? It doesn't sound to me that it's impossible to meet a 2019 release date even if she directs Lumberjanes first. Either way, good for her.

CAPTAIN MARVEL Writer Says Origin Story Will Be Changed Due To GREEN LANTERN Similarities


makes sense since Both of their origins have an alien coming to Earth through extenuating circumstances, passes his abilities on to an unassuming human

and both hal and carol are also pilots lol

Honestly, I have serious problems with her comics origin just because she's a completely passive character who has no agency in her origin. But I never made the Green Lantern connections before. I can see the similarities, but I thought they were relatively superficial. And, to be honest, even if you change the story, those were the parts that I thought would stay. I think a character named Mar-Vell and passing the torch are the only essential aspects. That being said, I don't envy the writers because this is probably the most difficult origin to write.

ETA: I do want to emphasize my concern, though. I know they have a lot of time left but they've been at it a long time and every interview seems to be about how they have writer's block or don't know how they're going to do something. So far, we've no sense that they've actually written anything and that's concerning. I'm starting to wonder if fresh eyes should take a crack at the story at some point.

 

[Abudefduf]

CAPTAIN MARVEL Writer Says Origin Story Will Be Changed Due To GREEN LANTERN Similarities

Let's be real here, we all knew this was gonna happen. Here's a few things I expect to be changed:

- Carol will have a more active role in the events leading up to her transformation. You have to admit that the idea of the first MCU leading superheroine acquiring her powers while she's being all damsel in distress-y is kinda... um, problematic, and not exactly heroic.

- As a consequence of this, Mar-Vell role will probably be reduced. Not to sound mean but if I were one of his fans, I would start lowering my expectations.

- The psyche-magnitron will probably be either reworked into a less silly concept, or completely replaced in favor of the Infinity Gems or at the very least by something that is connected to them. But even if they do keep it, I'm sure they'll still probably change its name.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why does it matter if it's seen as similar to Green Lantern anyway? Not that I thought it was in the first place. It's not like that movie did well at all, and maybe lots of the general audience haven't seen it too. If it were similar, then this could be seen as Marvel showing how to do this kind of story properly, so that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

As for acquiring her powers as a damsel in distress, couldn't she acquire them while saving Mar-Vell? Maybe he is shot down and she is engaged in an aerial dog fight and somehow his powers end up transferred to her.

Maybe the psyche-magnitron will be changed to the Excessive Machine (or Orgasmatron).

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Kind of an odd to even bring up GL. I don't really see the correlation all that much outside of the vaguest of similarities. I never expected them to go with a by the comic origin anyway for a lot of good reasons, none of which were that Carol's origin is at all like GL.

 

[BoredGuy]

"Air Force pilot given cosmic powers by an alien warrior, goes on to battle cosmic threats on earth and also in space"

The tag line sounds similar, but obviously all the details are very different.
But yeah, If they didn't mention it, I'm sure people would gladly block GL from their memory banks to go see Marvel do the story right.

 

[MbJ]

I was gonna say they might use an Infinity Stone and then I remembered there are three other Avengers who got powers from Infinity Stones already haha.

 

[Loki882]

I think that by bringing up GL, they're talking about her getting her powers from another (male) character who has similar ones. It's certainly not THE same, but it's close enough that they don't want to go there.

My guess is, she gets her power from some other source that doesn't include Mar-veil (or any other character directly).

Also she'll likely be less passive and have more agency of her own in her origins than she did in the comics.

They're probably just looking at it like "Carol is the one that we're focusing on, she's been around longer than Mar-veil has, and he's been dead for decades. Do we really need to have her get her powers from a man, our first female lead hero in these movies?"

 

[KalvinEllis]

On one hand this is a smart decision. Both characters are government employed pilots turned cosmic adventurers, both are given extraordinary abilities by powerful alien beings, both serve as important links between Earth and the rest of the galaxy in their respective comic book universe... Yeah, it’s hard not to see the similarities between Jordan and Danvers. Hal's own girlfriend is called Carol ffs. lol

On the other hand, there are similarities between many different heroes. If they decide to do a Namor film down the line, do they need to tweak his origin to not be too similar to Aquaman? There's always going to be similarities and I don't think this can be avoided by either side, the characters are just who they are. Anyway it's cool to see that Marvel are being self-aware.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Why does it matter if it's seen as similar to Green Lantern anyway? Not that I thought it was in the first place. It's not like that movie did well at all, and maybe lots of the general audience haven't seen it too.

It's not just the movie, the Green Lantern origin in general is one of the better known origin stories. Hal and Carol are also very similar as characters. It's smart that Perlman has done her research and that Marvel pays attention to things like that.

 

[Loki882]

Captain Carol Danvers is an Air Force officer part of the joint operation in charge of cleaning up all the old SHIELD sites. Traveling around the world and making sure everything SHIELD had their hands in is shut down and accounted for. In one of these remote bases her team comes across a group of scientist (all Hydra agents) who are still working to harness the power of some alien Kree tech they have been studying (Agents of SHIELD already showed that SHIELD has both Kree tech and dead Kree themselves they were experimenting with). The head of the project is Doctor Karla Sofen (Moonstone) who has become obsessed with the power the alien tech has and will stop at nothing to keep working to crack it. During the struggle to shut the project down one of the Kree devices it ruptured bathing both Danvers and Sofen in alien energy giving them their powers.

Simple and straight forward while still keeping her ties to the Kree without having to introduce Mar-Vel into the mix and just confuse things.

Someone posted this elsewhere, and I think that it could actually work honestly.

 

[TheVileOne]

Her origin is really nothing like Green Lantern, so I'm not sure why that was worth mentioning.

I'm assuming they just want to take out the idea that Carol Danvers is the new Captain Marvel who inherits her title from others.

Originally she was Ms. Marvel. Then she was Warbird, then she became Captain Marvel.

Actually the character who has an origin that's a ripoff of Green Lantern is really Richard Ryder/Nova.

 

[BoredGuy]

I just hope this movie can repair comic-Carol's rep as much as Iron Man did comic-Tony's

Because Civil War II is making her look like a complete dumbass at the moment