Captain Marvel Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 3

[flickchick85]

Ha, I remember people speculating that could've been her way back when that movie came out.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ha, I remember people speculating that could've been her way back when that movie came out.

It think it's a really good idea. Like I posted before, I would rather Fury and she start out on more adversarial terms. This would certainly ensure that I think.

 

[Abudefduf]

Wait, are you people talking about the pilot who almost nuked New York and killed millions? I'm... not sure I'd be okay with that. I mean, I guess going from attempted mass murderer to hero could be an interesting character arc, but...

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah, between that and Holland now saying that the kid in Iron Man 2 was Peter Parker, do we need the MCU to do these retcons to make it seem like newer characters or additions have been there all along or like this was a grander plan? At least the Stephen Strange name drop in Winter Soldier was quick enough that it's a tacit acknowledgement for those who spot it, but a nice Easter Egg that others can catch on repeat viewing after seeing Strange's own film.

Could just do an origin film and have Danvers been away from everything else instead of trying to make it seem like she's always had a connection to the greater MCU.

 

[Tg11]

As for a teaser trailer for Captain Marvel since it is supposed to come out in 2019...March 8, 2019 release date I don't see us getting a teaser trailer until October 2018

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Wait, are you people talking about the pilot who almost nuked New York and killed millions? I'm... not sure I'd be okay with that. I mean, I guess going from attempted mass murderer to hero could be an interesting character arc, but...

Military people follow orders. And yes, that would be an arc. It is a conundrum she would potentially have to face once empowered, or at least it is a dramatic conflict that unless she is out of the chain of command (meaning not being an officer in the U.S. Air Force) that she would have to grapple with. As a being of such great power is she just another asset in the arsenal of a nation that will do what she is told or does she choose another path?

I find that much more interesting myself than just assuming she's just a powerful hero and that such issues never could occur. Fury's example shows how even those in command would have to make those types of decisions with the weight of the world on their shoulders in a universe where the stakes are so high when super human/super powered beings are in play.

Think about the people that are actually in charge of the American nuclear arsenal. They are in a chain of command that, yep, has to deal with potentially carrying out orders that would mean the death of millions. Now think of the power at the finger tips of comic book Carol Danvers. She's not in charge of an arsenal... She is an arsenal.

 

[NealKenneth]

Krypton Inc. what a post! I am a big fan of this idea.

 

[Alpha1999]

Military people follow orders. And yes, that would be an arc. It is a conundrum she would potentially have to face once empowered, or at least it is a dramatic conflict that unless she is out of the chain of command (meaning not being an officer in the U.S. Air Force) that she would have to grapple with. As a being of such great power is she just another asset in the arsenal of a nation that will do what she is told or does she choose another path?

I find that much more interesting myself than just assuming she's just a powerful hero and that such issues never could occur. Fury's example shows how even those in command would have to make those types of decisions with the weight of the world on their shoulders in a universe where the stakes are so high when super human/super powered beings are in play.

Think about the people that are actually in charge of the American nuclear arsenal. They are in a chain of command that, yep, has to deal with potentially carrying out orders that would mean the death of millions. Now think of the power at the finger tips of comic book Carol Danvers. She's not in charge of an arsenal... She is an arsenal.

Interesting ideas! I really like the direction this post is taking. This would be an interesting way to tie this character to the previous movie in being one of those pilots.

Also, how would Carol feel about ordering to nuke a major city? Being unapologetic for trying to follow orders or never been so grateful towards Fury in shooting her plane out from under her.

I really hope this movie follows this path.

 

[Thome216]

I could envision her as a young pilot, full of pride to be assigned to the SHIELD helicarrier and then being given that order. She would be conflicted but still fresh enough to not question it, but trusting that those in charge were giving it for the right reasons.

Imagine the mental conflict she would have to deal with, especially possibly being a friend with the pilot who did fire? What must he be going through? What would she be thinking possibly watching him self-destruct from nearly destroying a major US city?

That's a major loss of innocence right there.

But let's take it even further, and say what if her plane was the one that did get off the carrier and she launched the missile? According to the comics, she has a past drinking problem, so what if her drinking is from nightmares? Dreams of Iron Man not stopping the missile and New York being obliterated?

And what kind of light would that put her in with her fellow pilots? Yes, she was following orders, but the Avengers saved the day, and also saved NYC from a missile attack. I would imagine there could be a stigma attached. What if her career hit the skids right after that and she was pretty much slide-lined for years.

How many view that pilot as a 'bad guy' for firing a nuke at a US city? Never mind being black-listed in SHIELD for not following Fury's order to stand down? Ever since then, Carol may have been flying mail flights

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I could envision her as a young pilot, full of pride to be assigned to the SHIELD helicarrier and then being given that order. She would be conflicted but still fresh enough to not question it, but trusting that those in charge were giving it for the right reasons.

Imagine the mental conflict she would have to deal with, especially possibly being a friend with the pilot who did fire? What must he be going through? What would she be thinking possibly watching him self-destruct from nearly destroying a major US city?

That's a major loss of innocence right there.

But let's take it even further, and say what if her plane was the one that did get off the carrier and she launched the missile? According to the comics, she has a past drinking problem, so what if her drinking is from nightmares? Dreams of Iron Man not stopping the missile and New York being obliterated?

And what kind of light would that put her in with her fellow pilots? Yes, she was following orders, but the Avengers saved the day, and also saved NYC from a missile attack. I would imagine there could be a stigma attached. What if her career hit the skids right after that and she was pretty much slide-lined for years.

How many view that pilot as a 'bad guy' for firing a nuke at a US city? Never mind being black-listed in SHIELD for not following Fury's order to stand down? Ever since then, Carol may have been flying mail flights

All good possible dramatic outcomes from having Carol be one of the pilots in A1. While not sure I would want to touch the alcoholism part, at least for sure not right off the bat, yeah, those all are reasonable outcomes from establishing Carol as having been in the MCU all along but we didn't know it. These sort of implications I think separates this idea from just saying that kid in IM2 was Peter Parker. That retcon adds nothing too substantial to Spidey's story but having Carol be the one to get shot before takeoff in A1 by Fury adds a lot to a solo film of hers, especially one where Fury himself will appear and interact with her in some substantial way.

 

[Thome216]

It would add to the story and drama, rather than being just a random, 'oh he was that kid in the other movie..'

 

[Iceman]

All interesting ideas by Thome.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

All interesting ideas by Thome.

Agreed. Good meaty character based stuff. I only hope Marvel delivers on a story featuring their most powerful female character to date.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah I've got a big stake in this one.

 

[flickchick85]

This and Infinity War are pretty much the only Marvel flicks I'm hyped for. I mean, I'll see the others and probably enjoy them, but yeah, this is The One for me.

 

[Iceman]

I feel similarly for Ragnarok and Black Panther. I had less of a stake for Ant Man.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I hope the suit is something like this. They HAVE to incorporate the sash though in some way.

 

[Abudefduf]

Look, what you people are describing sounds great and all but mark my words, there's no way Marvel Studios are gonna turn Carol into a failed Tibbets.

Which is funny because nuking a city to save Earth is something that I could totally see comic Carol doing... I still remember this great exchange she had with Hawkeye during the Infinity saga. Comic Carol is freaking hardcore... doubt movie Carol will be the same. She'll probably be a little less... pragmatic, to make her more endearing to the audience.

As for the sash, people who have seen the concept art have already confirmed that the movie costume - unfortunately - doesn't feature it.

 

[Iceman]

The sash can be a separate part of the costume so it can always be added.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Look, what you people are describing sounds great and all but mark my words, there's no way Marvel Studios are gonna turn Carol into a failed Tibbets.

Which is funny because nuking a city to save Earth is something that I could totally see comic Carol doing... I still remember this great exchange she had with Hawkeye during the Infinity saga. Comic Carol is freaking hardcore... doubt movie Carol will be the same. She'll probably be a little less... pragmatic, to make her more endearing to the audience.

As for the sash, people who have seen the concept art have already confirmed that the movie costume - unfortunately - doesn't feature it.

Where was the report about the sash from? Curious is all. I don't remember hearing about the costume being described yet.

 

[Abudefduf]

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/captain-marvel-costume-hair-brie-larson-concept-art-photos

In the concept art at Marvel Studios, the sash was gone and replaced with a thin, dark-red belt to match her red gauntlets and boots.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/captain-marvel-costume-hair-brie-larson-concept-art-photos

Thanks.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope the suit is something like this. They HAVE to incorporate the sash though in some way.

That looks extremely bland and unimaginative. It looks like someone just recoloured a standard jumpsuit. I hope Carol's costume looks more like a superheroine.

 

[Mike Murdock]

While I hope it looks like a flightsuit as a tribute to her air force days...

She's not Spider-Man, her mindset about a costume is entirely different.

 

[Thome216]

I don't see why they wouldn't include the sash. It's been with her since her Ms. Marvel days. Maybe we should all Twit them about it.