The Dark Knight Rises Christopher Nolan Is Doing Batman 3!!!

[Brother Jack]

I'd hardly call BB ending a cliffhanger, it was more like a tease.

Yeah. A cliffhanger implies that something is left unresolved, and there wasn't anything like that within Batman Begins. Same with TDK, actually.

 

[RustyCage]

Yeah. A cliffhanger implies that something is left unresolved, and there wasn't anything like that within Batman Begins. Same with TDK, actually.

It technically does create a story fold that is left unresolved. 'I'll look into it.'

TDK is leaving us wondering what Batman (not to mention Gordon) is going to do now that he's being hunted by the cops. It leaves us with an incentive, something to wonder about the answer to next time. And yes, that is what a cliffhanger is. There ARE things unresolved.

 

[Micah12345]

BB's ending was more fun, because it left me anticipating a sequel where I got to see the joker.

TDK's was much more like a cliffhanger, though you could consider it either way.

The tease of seeing the joker in the next movie is much more exciting than the tease of seeing batman being chased by the cops, especially since we had a chase scene doing exactly that in BB.

 

[RustyCage]

BB's ending was more fun, because it left me anticipating a sequel where I got to see the joker.

TDK's was much more like a cliffhanger, though you could consider it either way.

The tease of seeing the joker in the next movie is much more exciting than the tease of seeing batman being chased by the cops, especially since we had a chase scene doing exactly that in BB.

Before, they were just responding to the 'holy wtff?!' moments where he'd pop up and scare everyone. This, on the other hand, is a deliberate and ruthless hunt that they're talking about. Batman killed Dent in their eyes, and the dogs are out for blood because of it.

I found both endings equally compelling and very satisfying as brain food for the next act in Batman's story.

 

[Dark Knight]

I think there should be conversations/action/fight scenes taking place on the rooftops, sewers, subways, hall of mirrors at a fun house or carnival, and in a mud pit (ala TDKR graphic novel) in Gotham.

I think the weather should be rainy, windy and of course some snow should be shown as well when it comes to the elements and weather in Gotham for this 3rd Bat film.
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[RustyCage]

I think there should be conversation/action/fight scenes taking place on the rooftops, sewers, subways, hall of mirrors at a fun house or carnival, and in mud pit (ala TDKR graphic novel) in Gotham.

I think the weather should rainy, windy and some snow should be shown as well when it comes to elements and weather in Gotham for this 3rd Bat film.
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Agreed. More locales, a more intimate look at more places in Gotham, weather. I'd love it. There wasn't enough of that going on in TDK.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Agreed. More locales, a more intimate look at more places in Gotham, weather. I'd love it. There wasn't enough of that going on in TDK.

They gotta get rid of the gimmick climaxes with crap like the microwave emitter and sonar.

 

[jmc]

It technically does create a story fold that is left unresolved. 'I'll look into it.'

That's a gigantic stretch.

TDK is leaving us wondering what Batman (not to mention Gordon) is going to do now that he's being hunted by the cops. It leaves us with an incentive, something to wonder about the answer to next time. And yes, that is what a cliffhanger is. There ARE things unresolved.

But nothing was unresolved, all it was was a lack of status quo. Had Batman been framed for Dents murder it would have been a cliffhanger, Batman chose to take the fall, the story doesn't need to continue after that unlike something like Matrix Reloaded or Empire Strikes Back were there is an obvious story left unresolved. Everything in TDK was wrapped up, leaving the door open for further continuation of the story is not the same as a leaving the story clearly unfinished. You could end this series here and now and it wouldn't effect the series, you couldn't do that with Matrix of ESB.

 

[Bruce Malone]

^^^^

That's a huge stretch to say everything was wrapped up. If it had ended with Batman being caught taking the fall and put in jail yes. but no way you can say a movie that ended with a man on the run from the cops for murders he took the fall for and not knowing what his fate will be, was "wrapped up".

 

[Micah12345]

They gotta get rid of the gimmick climaxes with crap like the microwave emitter and sonar.

No thanks, that's one of my favorite parts of superhero movies, and why batman begins is better than the dark knight.

The sonar, isn't the same thing, it's just a gadget batman was using, that happened to look pretty stupid.

 

[jmc]

^^^^

That's a huge stretch to say everything was wrapped up. If it had ended with Batman being caught taking the fall and put in jail yes. but no way you can say a movie that ended with a man on the run from the cops for murders he took the fall for and not knowing what his fate will be, was ''wrapped up''.

Of coarse you can, he took the fall to save Dent's reputation, he did a heroic deed, that's how superhero films end, with the hero saving the day. There's room for the story to continue, but it doesn't need to continue, just like in film one, that's the difference between something that is a cliffhanger and something that's an open ending.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Superhero films always end with a heroic deed whereby that hero is recognized as a hero by the public at large. What superhero film has ever concluded with the hero as someone wanted by law enforcement or perceived as a villain by the public (as batman would now be)?

 

[jmc]

Not the issue, point is he still did a heroic deed, there's nothing left hanging from TDK. Seriously, other than a lack of a status quo of the hero being liked by everyone what was left unresolved? Nolan could end the series now a two films and it wouldn't effect the series whatsoever.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think TDK ended on more of a set up for a sequel than something like spider man 2 did, even though a spiderman 3 was in the works before 2 even came out.

I still can't believe you don't think what happens to batman at the end of the film does not leave ppl hanging. People want conclusion, does batman get caught? is his identity then revealed? is he killed by the cops? all of these things are left unresolved and of course people want to know these important things.

 

[batman_gr]

In my honest opinion, I didn't believe there would be a sequel cause Bats is now where he is in the comics. Hiding and chased by the law while he's fighting crime. If the third is all about this, chasing Batman, wow that would be too streched and boring.

The ending of TDK reminded me of Greek tragedy and the term "tragic irony" where the audience knows something about the main character that the others who are in the play don't know at all.

 

[jmc]

I think TDK ended on more of a set up for a sequel than something like spider man 2 did, even though a spiderman 3 was in the works before 2 even came out.

I still can't believe you don't think what happens to batman at the end of the film does not leave ppl hanging. People want conclusion, does batman get caught? is his identity then revealed? is he killed by the cops? all of these things are left unresolved and of course people want to know these important things.

Batman doesn't have conclusion, there is no full stop after the character, never has been, even if Nolan fixes the imbalance of Batman being perceived to be the one who committed the murders he's not going to wrap everything up in a nice tidy bow for film 3. Batman has to always remain an open ended story and Nolan is well aware of this. Batman is on the run by his own doing, he made the choice, there's nothing to resolve there, Joker was captured, Dents reputation salvaged, Gotham City saved, you don't need to continue the story, you can, there's plenty of room to, but you don't need to. It's not like I said Empire Strike Back where it's clear the story has to continue. Those questions you asked, people can fill in the rest with their minds, the only reason people think he left us 'hanging' is because the ending wasn't the typical way a film like this ends, had it been some regular crime drama you think people would be crying for 'conclusion'? I doubt it. But we're getting a third film now irrespective of how film 2 ended so this is all kinda pointless to talk about.

 

[mothy]

I think the weather should rainy, windy and some snow should be shown as well when it comes to elements and weather in Gotham for this 3rd Bat film.

They gotta get rid of the gimmick climaxes with crap like the microwave emitter and sonar.

Batman doesn't have conclusion, there is no full stop after the character, never has been, even if Nolan fixes the imbalance of Batman being perceived to be the one who committed the murders he's not going to wrap everything up in a nice tidy bow for film 3.

absolutely agree with all of these points.

 

[Anita18]

Before, they were just responding to the 'holy wtff?!' moments where he'd pop up and scare everyone. This, on the other hand, is a deliberate and ruthless hunt that they're talking about. Batman killed Dent in their eyes, and the dogs are out for blood because of it.

I found both endings equally compelling and very satisfying as brain food for the next act in Batman's story.

Neh, TDK's ending was a gazillion times more compelling than BB for me, because Batman did something no superhero had ever done in movies before - he sacrificed his own legacy for the greater good, or at least what he perceived the greater good to be.

BB's ending was a very clever tease while being a good conclusion at the same time.

 

[RetroNaz]

Batman doesn't have conclusion, there is no full stop after the character, never has been, even if Nolan fixes the imbalance of Batman being perceived to be the one who committed the murders he's not going to wrap everything up in a nice tidy bow for film 3. Batman has to always remain an open ended story and Nolan is well aware of this. Batman is on the run by his own doing, he made the choice, there's nothing to resolve there, Joker was captured, Dents reputation salvaged, Gotham City saved, you don't need to continue the story, you can, there's plenty of room to, but you don't need to. It's not like I said Empire Strike Back where it's clear the story has to continue. Those questions you asked, people can fill in the rest with their minds, the only reason people think he left us 'hanging' is because the ending wasn't the typical way a film like this ends, had it been some regular crime drama you think people would be crying for 'conclusion'? I doubt it. But we're getting a third film now irrespective of how film 2 ended so this is all kinda pointless to talk about.

Excellent post, I completely agree.

And if you are from Oz like me then bonus points to ya!

 

[jmc]

Neh, TDK's ending was a gazillion times more compelling than BB for me, because Batman did something no superhero had ever done in movies before - he sacrificed his own legacy for the greater good, or at least what he perceived the greater good to be.

BB's ending was a very clever tease while being a good conclusion at the same time.

And is more heroic than defeating any villain, it's quite possibly the most selfless act the character has ever done, comic, TV or film. He took a bullet that needed taking, as all outsiders do, they come in, do what needs to be done irrespective of their own well being, never thanked, never acknowledged, then ride off into the sunset.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Batman doesn't have conclusion, there is no full stop after the character, never has been, even if Nolan fixes the imbalance of Batman being perceived to be the one who committed the murders he's not going to wrap everything up in a nice tidy bow for film 3. Batman has to always remain an open ended story and Nolan is well aware of this. Batman is on the run by his own doing, he made the choice, there's nothing to resolve there, Joker was captured, Dents reputation salvaged, Gotham City saved, you don't need to continue the story, you can, there's plenty of room to, but you don't need to. It's not like I said Empire Strike Back where it's clear the story has to continue. Those questions you asked, people can fill in the rest with their minds, the only reason people think he left us 'hanging' is because the ending wasn't the typical way a film like this ends, had it been some regular crime drama you think people would be crying for 'conclusion'? I doubt it. But we're getting a third film now irrespective of how film 2 ended so this is all kinda pointless to talk about.

Good post!

And is more heroic than defeating any villain, it's quite possibly the most selfless act the character has ever done, comic, TV or film. He took a bullet that needed taking, as all outsiders do, they come in, do what needs to be done irrespective of their own well being, never thanked, never acknowledged, then ride off into the sunset.

Not really. It was a very noble, altruistic and frankly innovative thing to do, but he's done a lot more in the comics. Just recently he gave his life in order to save the Universe.

 

[Dark Knight]

I think there should be conversations/action/fight scenes taking place on the rooftops, sewers, subways, hall of mirrors at a fun house or carnival, and in a MUD PIT (ala TDKR graphic novel) in Gotham.

I think the weather should be rainy, windy, fog and of course some snow should be shown as well when it comes to the elements and weather in Gotham for this 3rd Bat film.

 

[Brother Jack]

I keep thinking I've read that post before...

It technically does create a story fold that is left unresolved. 'I'll look into it.'

Not really. We know he's out there and that escalation in response to Batman in inevitable, but those are teases, they aren't dangling story points within Batman Begins' narrative. Just like with TDK there didn't need to a sequel to Begins for its story to be complete, it was wrapped up.

 

[Dark Victory]

This is great news. I'm stunned by how fast production's kicked in the last few days, but I've never been one to look a gift horse in the mouth.

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Not counting David Goyer helping out, that is.

It'd be fun to see all of the Batman boards packed like they were back in 2008.

 

[RustyCage]

I keep thinking I've read that post before...


Not really. We know he's out there and that escalation in response to Batman in inevitable, but those are teases, they aren't dangling story points within Batman Begins' narrative. Just like with TDK there didn't need to a sequel to Begins for its story to be complete, it was wrapped up.

They aren't complete stories. All three (I'm making the obvious assumption with third) of these are sequel-based, or episodic, movies that explore the questions left over by the one before them, they're all working together to form a singular, large story. The first movie ends with Batman being confronted with another problem, and he dives away with the intention of looking into this problem, what happens next? The movie's title appears: Batman Begins. It's showing us that his quest has begun, leaving us dangling on how he's going to confront the battle of escalation he's started in Begins by choosing to become Batman, what's going to happen with the Joker, etc. To say that's not connected to the first movie's plot is ignorant as everything within the second movie is a direct result of the concerns brought up by the cliffhanger at the end of it.

cliff·hang·er (klĭf'hāng'ər)


n.

1. A melodramatic serial in which each episode ends in suspense.

A suspenseful situation occurring at the end of a chapter, scene, or episode.


^ That's exactly what happened. At the end of both episodes, we're left with something suspenseful to tease us about the next episode. I don't think I need to keep explaining. A 'tease', as you call it, in the case of both of these films, is a cliffhanger. By definition. In summary: calling it a tease is the same thing as calling it a cliffhanger.