Christopher Nolan's Inception (Thread II)

[Solidus]

Solidus you have the glasses too? My brother and I still have them. So damn cool. I have to remember to drink out of them more.

And Nicole Kidman in that movie....it was either her, Carrie Fisher, Kim Basginer, or Kimberly of Power Rangers that I had a first crush on. Hell, Uma Thurman in B&R might have been in there too.

That rooftop scene. So unnecessary, but at the same time, very necessary.

Oh yea, the Batman one, the Robin one, the Two-Face one and the Riddler one. And Kidman's rooftop scene, whew. That nightie was looking good.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Oh yea, the Batman one, the Robin one, the Two-Face one and the Riddler one. And Kidman's rooftop scene, whew. That nightie was looking good.

My brother and I have the Batman and Robin one. I bet Two Face looks cooler on the glass.

That nightie and her wearing only a sheet in the bedroom scene.

 

[The Navigator]

My brother and I have the Batman and Robin one. I bet Two Face looks cooler on the glass.

That nightie and her wearing only a sheet in the bedroom scene.

Those glasses were awesome, my Dad and I used to have the Riddler and Batman ones. I wonder if he still does...

So who's the best Burton/Schumacher era female lead? Basinger, Pfeiffer, Kidman, or Uma?

 

[Travesty]

So who's the best Burton/Schumacher era female lead? Basinger, Pfeiffer, Kidman, or Uma?

I actually thought Pfeiffer was, but I have a soft spot for Basinger, because I've met her three times.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Pfeiffer, but Kidman was the hottest for me. Damn, I still don't think she ever looked as hot as she did in BF.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I actually thought Pfeiffer was, but I have a soft spot for Basinger, because I've met her three times.

Do her bodyguards have your picture in the pocket of their coats?

 

[The Squirrel]

extraction mode is like a "making of"

Oh yeah. I missed that the first time around. I'm a little bit happier now.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

i gave up the hope that someday nolan will give us better bonusmaterial. he doesnt want to reveal everything. it kills the illusion...

 

[MessenjahMatt]

i gave up the hope that someday nolan will give us better bonusmaterial. he doesnt want to reveal everything. it kills the illusion...

Me too, but I still reject Nolan's reasoning for his stance. I've seen all the LOTR bonus material, didn't kill any illusions or make me appreciate the films any less - quite the opposite actually. And how many hours was that, 7 or 8+ of in-depth behind the scenes?

 

[PreK]

His position would be more effective if he applied it to the truly remarkable feats he accomplished in the frame. It would have been interesting had he never revealed how the hallway fight scene was shot, for example. Just to keep the mystique of it all.

To this day I'm scratching my head at how Spielberg shot the 360-degree van-on-the-highway scene. It's been a while since I've seen it so it may be more obvious now, but just having head-scratchers like that in this day and age is so rare. I can see why Nolan sticks to his guns. A lot of the magic is lost if you know how it's pulled off.

 

[Ipodman]

People who love Inception think they are cool

People who hate Inception think they are cool

 

[dark_b]

His position would be more effective if he applied it to the truly remarkable feats he accomplished in the frame. It would have been interesting had he never revealed how the hallway fight scene was shot, for example. Just to keep the mystique of it all.

To this day I'm scratching my head at how Spielberg shot the 360-degree van-on-the-highway scene. It's been a while since I've seen it so it may be more obvious now, but just having head-scratchers like that in this day and age is so rare. I can see why Nolan sticks to his guns. A lot of the magic is lost if you know how it's pulled off.

in the new ILM documentay they showed how the shot the scene. with bluescreen outside.

 

[R3M3D1]

^^what film and scene are you talking about?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Oh yeah. I missed that the first time around. I'm a little bit happier now.

How about the score in a lossless HD mix? Hell yeah!!!

 

[JAK®]

Sorry this is so long, but I hope some of the posters on here do read it.

This is something that has just been bugging me for a long time so I have to rant about it. This whole, Nolan fans are horrible, and his movies are over-rated, and Nolan fans think he can do no wrong BS is just ridiculous. On these forums it does come down to two things linked to each other that cause this animosity. Jealousy and popularity.

I guarantee if Speilberg started his career when the Internet existed, there would be tons of people saying “Speilberg is over-rated”, or “Speilberg fans think he can do no wrong” “E.T. really was not that good, it was not as intelligent as some would suggest” You would hear all the same stuff, because he’s popular. People on forums whether they like to admit it or not (I admit it to myself all the time) we are a minority of a minority of a minority of people out there. Many think because they post on the Internet it means they are more intelligent than the “rest” of them out there. And that somehow “we” understand film/everything else better then everyone, because we hide behind their anonymous personality. It is clear with the Nolan hate that many hate it purely because it’s popular. Because now when they go up to most people and talk about Inception or TDK the person will react, they may not have gotten as much out of the film as we do, but they will interact, hence some people get mad, because now they don’t feel intelligent or superior, because the product is popular. So they turn to that person in the restaurant and say, “TDK sucked, it was over-rated” in other words the person is saying: “You’re an idiot, I’m smarter then you. “

It is clear on these boards too when you see the people that usually complain about Nolan fans, or how Nolan’s films are not that intelligent or smart, they have Marvel avatars, or another hero. The reason they do this (not all of them by the way I’ll say more later on that) but it’s because they are jealous. Now that a hero that they did not love, is now considered the king by the majority, they are pissed. I never cried and whined when Spidey was on top, I loved the films and gave it thumbs up. But so many want to tear down TDK and so forth mainly because it’s not their hero of choice. Some try to act as if it’s some other reason, which it may be to a point, but their constant berating and ripping on people who like it is just ridiculous.

Do I think people have a right to an opinion of course, we all do. I just think some people’s opinion is more hidden with another agenda. Either it be they are pissed that it is popular, so they must rip on it to make themselves feel superior. Or that they are mad that it did better than a film they liked, (which really is odd since no one really has anything invested in a given film besides emotion) so they rip on it to again make themselves feel superior or more intelligent. I think everyone deserves an opinion, but I Think some have an agenda behind it, and it may not be what they truly feel but they need to antagonize it for whatever reason.

I love the Social Network, great film, but I find it funny that many that tare praising it, it’s actually looking directly at you and pointing at you. Especially the line: “You write your snide bull s*** from a dark room because that’s what the angry do now a days.” That line is more true than most of them realize, and it is talking directly to them. People don’t realize that spending your time “hating” something is not psychologically healthy, however, on the internet it is like a past time, and usually allowed, and hidden by the “it’s my opinion” when usually there is a reason behind it, usually anger and jealousy.

Example Twilight, I don’t like the films at all, however I never have ran into the threads saying how stupid everyone is that likes it, and that I’m more intelligent because I think so. I find it funny that so many create threads on here just to hate about it, again, they do it to puff up their chest. I feel sorry because I’ve seen people like Angle Farie get ripped on for something she likes, it’s unfair. But then they must remember that doing the same to TDK fans or Nolan fans is just as unfair.

I remember myself I fell into this trap for a brief time, and it’s not something good at all. With Avatar, I did not care for the movie still do not. But I posted for about a week on there, saying how simple I saw the film as. Then I realized that I was as bad as the people that do this for other films. I was trying to make myself feel superior, because this film was insanely popular, and I did not care for it. It broke the record of everything, and it angered me. So then I took a step back and said, I just won’t post in there anymore, there are millions of super intelligent people that love this movie for whatever reason, so why should I go in and try to make myself feel superior, and say that they are not as intelligent as they think they are. It’s just rude.

It really comes down to jealousy and popularity. Most (not all) on here are big nerds, and usually (not always) we are people that are not the socially popular. So I think since High School many on here have been hardwired to hate the “popular kids” I had a friend that hated this beautiful popular girl. I had known her since she was little and we were good friends. And I asked why did he hate her? He simply could only say because she’s everything I’m not, and I don’t like that she’s popular and I’m not. One time he also talked about how he hated Metallica after 1990, because they became “mainstream” I laugh at stuff like that because that usually does not mean their music sucks, or is worse, it’s just that he was jealous that it was now popular. And he could not stand it.

That is sadly the case with the Nolan-Hate train around the internet. Many are pissed that he is popular. It was funny people praised him prior to Begins, then he made a film that was popular especially after TDK, and all of a sudden the films they praised like Memento were “over rated too”. People just don’t like anyone popular. I already foresee that if The Wolverine is good, which I’m sure it will be, many will say Darren is actually not that good, and his other films are over-rated, due to the fact that now he is popular, and many people know his work, or are now learning of his previous work.

Is there anything wrong with having a different opinion of course not I’m not saying one cannot hate Nolan’s work, or dislike it. But many do it for reasons that have nothing to do with the film, but the fans of it. Example, Mr. Earle is a known poster in the Batman forums, he does not care for Nolan’s vision that much at all, especially TDK’s. But you know what? I respect the hell out of him. And I respect his opinion. Because from what I see Earle does not try to rip on the film, to get at the fans, and to make himself seem more intelligent. What Earle does is he truly does not care for the artistic vision of BB and TDK as much and he has valid points for it. He never tries to say we are stupid because we think differently, he gives coherent and full thoughts of it, but he does not call people that like the vision of Nolan’s Bat films idiots, or unintelligent. People can have different thoughts like this.

However when people come into it and try to start something that really is for attention and to piss people off, it’s not good. It reminds me of Dave Chappelle “pleading the fif” in one of his skits. It’s like many run up to a person smack them in the face then run behind the “opinion wall” and shout from there. I’ve seen some almost try to create their opinion of certain films like TDK and say that it’s laughable, and that it’s horribly written, and has tons of plot holes, and yet somehow almost all the professionals in Hollywood praised TDK’s writings, including well known Script writing magazines, or the WGA themselves. And what they agenda is sometimes from these kind of things, is that “Hey Nolan fans or TDK fans or Inception fans are not that smart, I’m smarter, and I’m showing you this, and I’m telling you your stupid for thinking what you think.” This kind of stuff is irritating and tiring, to me a lot of this really is a subtle form of trolling. It reminds me of Ace of Knaves and his many accounts. You would talk about Paris Hilton’s sex tape and somehow he would bring up how TDK is over-rated. 99% of the time TDK is brought up anymore is someone saying it’s not that good, and it’s because they want superiority, and attention.

In conclusion I am saying that yes everyone can have their opinion. But I think some are guided by other motives to either have the opinion, or use it as an excuse to irritate, and troll the forums with immunity. I posted this because one time I almost fell in this trap and still do on occasion we are human after all. But I’m not consistent about it. I find it odd how many people that hate Nolan’s films or the Begins series and yet they spend all their time on the TDKR forums. I hate football (sorry football fans lol) so I will not spend my time in the Sports section of the hype and tell them how stupid it is. Because if I did then what I’m really trying to do is act as if I’m superior to them. I’m not. I can go and do this, but why waste the time? And that’s why I think many do have a second agenda they are trying to achieve, and it is irritation and creating security for their own insecurities in life. You don’t like something great, but spending so much time and energy hating Nolan fans or something similar…you must be doing it for some other reason than “your opinion”

Sorry for the long rant, I’ve just been like a pressure cooker with this lol.

I'd agree with this post more if it didn't have the 'your negative opinion is wrong' vibe to it.

 

[Solidus]

Negative opinions are not wrong, there are many that have positive opinions of things that can be just as bad, there is no denying that either. But let's face it, haters are more so on the internet then anything else. And usually people don't care for hate as much as positive attitudes. But no both can be as bad.

Like I said, Mr. Earle has many negative opinions about TDK and so forth, most that know his opinion know that, and yet I said I respect the hell out of him. I think some are just skimming this post.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I think some are just skimming this post.

Maybe if your post was better composed.

But seriously, extreme opinions make this forum fun. Fanboys, haters, all the overreactions are amusing.

Stop being A Serious Man. Receive with simplicity everything that happens.

 

[Solidus]

Nice Cohen bros reference (sort of lol)

Over-reactions can be amusing at times, but after a while it rubs raw, and just tiring. And after a while it takes away from some of the best debates and just becomes more about sensationalism. On both sides.

And I think my post was decently written, I'm not the best at writing but apparently enough got the gist of it lol.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And I think my post was decently written, I'm not the best at writing but apparently enough got the gist of it lol.

Honestly you were reiterating a lot of points and crossed the line to "rambling" many times.

And the Coen Bros. reference is because posting here often times feels like what the main character of A Serious Man felt. Recall his scenes with his wife.

 

[Solidus]

Your opinion, but I was driving the points home with many examples, and it's what I wanted, yes you can sum anything up in a paragraph, but to me it was more from experiences, and not rambling.

 

[Anita18]

^^what film and scene are you talking about?

Ditto. I have no clue either.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Sorry this is so long, but I hope some of the posters on here do read it.

I'm just gonna cut the quote for redundancy purposes.

I read the whole thing, and I completely agree. People say they hate Nolan, but rarely can people find legit or valid reasons. Nolan isn't a perfect director. There really isn't a such thing as a perfect director. But whether you like him or not pretty much all of his films have been praised highly by critics and fans (and me) alike so he definitely a director who has merit to him. I'm not saying you have to like him, but to not acknowledge that he's a great and competent director is ridiculous. He's a director that pays attention to the smallest details of scene, knows how to stretch a budget, and best of all, knows how to tell a compelling story.

Surely, he has issues with pacing and action scenes, but like I said, no director is perfect.

People are always gonna pick on the popular person in order to seem different, or rile up trouble. But you can usually see right through those people.

But about trolling in forums you hate, it reminds me of the Raimi-haters that troll in Spider-man threads declaring their undying hate for Raimi, even in the Raimi-lovers thread. I just don't understand why they waste time doing that. Some people act as if Raimi killed their sibling or something.

 

[scatterax]

I like Nolan as a director. and am about to watch memento for the 1st time cuz i heard good things about it on these boards. Tho I doubt it’s gonna be on par with inception or the dark knight, or even batman begins, im guessing I’ll still like it pretty well.

...anyway, While it does annoy the crap out of me when people hate on inception or nolan in general (which isn't 24/7 like people have said) I would say nolan uber fans started it and were 1000000000 times more annoying with it. I remember how for a whole year in all the threads about any marvel movie and even some dc and other comic book movies that were coming out at the time or still being made (watchmen, iron man 2, etc) you couldn't even go 1 page w/o some idiot commenting about how TDK was so much better and how this movie would never make as much money. TDK is still my favorite comic book film, but at the time the super fans were ruining it for me big time. If i wanna talk about a TDK i'll go to one of those threads (obviously i'm making an exception here) I think people would get defensive for a while anytime another hero was being talked about cuz they were afraid people were gonna think it was the next TDK or something. idk

Thankfully the fanaticism has died down to where people can give the film (TDK) the respect it's due w/o ripping on other movies or characters ON THEIR THREADS!!!! And I think when people mention TDK on other threads now a days there’s usually a legit comparison behind it, and it’s not just batman spamming. but back in within the first year or so after TDK came out these boards were so...aggravating!

 

[Doctor Jones]

Those glasses were awesome, my Dad and I used to have the Riddler and Batman ones. I wonder if he still does...

So who's the best Burton/Schumacher era female lead? Basinger, Pfeiffer, Kidman, or Uma?

In terms of hotness? That's an extremely hard one.

Spoiler

no pun intended

But Pfeiffer was the best female character in terms of what she did. A really great performance and she's still the best female character in a comic book film to this day.

In terms of hotness though? Jeez, Kidman or Pfieffer or Basinger.

Scenes that make you unable to decide:

Vicki in her dress at Bruce Wayne's charity banquet

Selina's all around sexiness and the costume. When she's in the Shreck store causing trouble it's damn sexy.

And of course Kidman in just about every scene acting like a horny schoolgirl. Namely the rooftop scene and the bedroom scene. She was a 10.

Christ, if there were such thing as a three sided coin, I would flip it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm just gonna cut the quote for redundancy purposes.

I read the whole thing, and I completely agree. People say they hate Nolan, but rarely can people find legit or valid reasons. Nolan isn't a perfect director. There really isn't a such thing as a perfect director. But whether you like him or not pretty much all of his films have been praised highly by critics and fans (and me) alike so he definitely a director who has merit to him. I'm not saying you have to like him, but to not acknowledge that he's a great and competent director is ridiculous. He's a director that pays attention to the smallest details of scene, knows how to stretch a budget, and best of all, knows how to tell a compelling story.

Surely, he has issues with pacing and action scenes, but like I said, no director is perfect.

People are always gonna pick on the popular person in order to seem different, or rile up trouble. But you can usually see right through those people.

But about trolling in forums you hate, it reminds me of the Raimi-haters that troll in Spider-man threads declaring their undying hate for Raimi, even in the Raimi-lovers thread. I just don't understand why they waste time doing that. Some people act as if Raimi killed their sibling or something.

I know right? Why the hell dwell on something you hate? NinjaCarm has his ****ing sigs of "This is not who Spider-Man is" and "This is Spider-Man."

I'm fine with opinions, but people like him and others in those forums make sure to mention their hate for those films in every other post. We ****ing get it.