Christopher Nolan's Inception

I was just rewatching Inception, it's maybe the 3rd (possibly 4th) time I've seen it. There are two things I don't understand.

1. In the mountain dream sequence, the van and hotel both are getting thrown around. The gravity is all screwy and it effects the next dream down, but when they're in the mountains they are not getting tossed around. There is an avalanche at some point, but things aren't turning up the wrong way. How come the mountain dream zone isn't effected?

2. When they travel to the very last level, the shore of the subconscious, they enter the world that Cobb and Mal built, but they are no in Cobb's dream. At that point they entering Fisher's dream to try and find him, so wouldn't it be Fisher's subconscious? I don't understand why the stuff Cobb and Mal built is there.

I'm assuming it all makes perfect sense and I've totally missed something, any explanation would be great!
 
I was just rewatching Inception, it's maybe the 3rd (possibly 4th) time I've seen it. There are two things I don't understand.

1. In the mountain dream sequence, the van and hotel both are getting thrown around. The gravity is all screwy and it effects the next dream down, but when they're in the mountains they are not getting tossed around. There is an avalanche at some point, but things aren't turning up the wrong way. How come the mountain dream zone isn't effected?

2. When they travel to the very last level, the shore of the subconscious, they enter the world that Cobb and Mal built, but they are no in Cobb's dream. At that point they entering Fisher's dream to try and find him, so wouldn't it be Fisher's subconscious? I don't understand why the stuff Cobb and Mal built is there.

I'm assuming it all makes perfect sense and I've totally missed something, any explanation would be great!
1. Everything that happens at the level above is reflected in the level below as the dreamers experience them, but very very dampened. Hence Saito being able to walk around in the second level and even ski in the third level, though he's close to death in the first one. Eventually he succumbs in all the levels when he dies in the first, but he's in very good shape up until then. I imagine this is the same with the ski level, although I guess it is strange that they perceive the van hitting the barrier as an avalanche, but otherwise don't notice that the van is flipping? Maybe they did, but they ignored it because it was MUCH too soon. At any rate, Nolan doesn't show us the group wandering around on skis, because Arthur's awesome fight is going on. :funny:

2. They are not entering Fischer's dream. They are in Limbo. Fischer is dead since Mal shot him. Cobb and Yusuf explain that if you die in the dream state while heavily sedated, you fall into Limbo and get lost and most likely will never wake up once the sedation wears off, because you can't tell dream from reality. That's why Cobb had to trick Mal into shared suicide the first time, because she truly had gotten lost.

Limbo is simply unconstructed shared dream space, and Arthur explains that nothing is down there except what previous Limbo wanderers have left behind. Nobody has dared go into Limbo except Mal and Cobb, so only their stuff is there. Does that make sense?
 
Thanks! Yeah, that all works out nicely. So the 'limbo' is kind of a mix of everyone's subconscious who happens to be sharing the dream at the time, where as the other levels are somewhat controlled by who evers dream they're in. I got it! :D
 
Inception, in doodle format.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/14t4pn/plot_of_inception_in_doodle_form/
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I never got what was so perilous about dying in the third dream and going to limbo, you just have to die again to get out. what was the big peril behind going there? ariadne had no problem keeping her head down there...maybe somebody could explain that for me.
 
I never got what was so perilous about dying in the third dream and going to limbo, you just have to die again to get out. what was the big peril behind going there? ariadne had no problem keeping her head down there...maybe somebody could explain that for me.

Yeah that's cool if you know that, most people don't, and most people when they get there forget that they are dreaming. Also in a very short amount of time you end up living a lifetime as Dom and Mal and later Saito did. Also you can't get out until the drug is timed to wear off, which again, is a lifetime, or you're primed to get a kick.
 
I never got what was so perilous about dying in the third dream and going to limbo, you just have to die again to get out. what was the big peril behind going there? ariadne had no problem keeping her head down there...maybe somebody could explain that for me.
Because they weren't there for that long. It's when you start living in it for long periods, that you get confused over if your experience is real or a dream. You see it when Cobb finds Saito. They've been there for so long (and probably died and were reincarnated multiple times over) that they're really truly lost.

Real Mal thought she was still in limbo when she was actually in the real world. Jumping off the building didn't bring her back - it actually did kill her. So killing yourself wantonly to get out of a dream world doesn't always work out. :oldrazz:
 
I would gladly go to limbo. It doesn't matter how long you were in there it's still all just a dream and you'd wake up and be fine eventually. I've had incredibly vivid dreams before once I had one that I was like a 250 year old vampire that lived into modern times and during the dream I remember experiencing all that time as if it were real but once you wake up and snap back to reality it's back to normal. Dreams never make you actually feel like you've grown old like they explain in the movie. Besides that little bit I have always thought this is one of the best films to portray dreams. Honestly though if I'm going live action it goes to The Cell, the dream sequences in that movie are phenomenal and if animated of course Paprika. Hell, Paprika portrays the abstract often chaotic nature of dreams PERFECTLY
 
I would gladly go to limbo. It doesn't matter how long you were in there it's still all just a dream and you'd wake up and be fine eventually. I've had incredibly vivid dreams before once I had one that I was like a 250 year old vampire that lived into modern times and during the dream I remember experiencing all that time as if it were real but once you wake up and snap back to reality it's back to normal. Dreams never make you actually feel like you've grown old like they explain in the movie. Besides that little bit I have always thought this is one of the best films to portray dreams. Honestly though if I'm going live action it goes to The Cell, the dream sequences in that movie are phenomenal and if animated of course Paprika. Hell, Paprika portrays the abstract often chaotic nature of dreams PERFECTLY

Except you know, if you're like Mal and you accept Limbo for reality and then when you are in reality believe you are in Limbo.

Keep in mind that the only reason Dom and Mal woke up was because Dom finally understood that they were in fact dreaming and pulled the whole trainjob.

Otherwise you could basically live several lifetimes in your head and in the real world die of dehydration.
 
I think the real risk is how Eames described your brain turning into mush. You'll wake up with potentially hundreds of years of your brain being active. Theres only so much it can take before it just gives up
 
That moment when you thought it suddenly turned into a horror movie...


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That moment when you thought it suddenly turned into a horror movie...


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I kid you not, I nearly jumped out of my chair the first time I saw this scene in theaters. It caught me so off guard so I wasn't expecting it. Plus, Marion's character kind of scared me in this film. :wow: :woot:

I'm surprised Nolan hasn't tried doing a horror film yet. Certain scenes in this film, like the one above, shows he has the perfect knack for it.
 
I kid you not, I nearly jumped out of my chair the first time I saw this scene in theaters. It caught me so off guard so I wasn't expecting it. Plus, Marion's character kind of scared me in this film. :wow: :woot:

I'm surprised Nolan hasn't tried doing a horror film yet. Certain scenes in this film, like the one above, shows he has the perfect knack for it.

Inception was originally going to be a horror film.
 
I kid you not, I nearly jumped out of my chair the first time I saw this scene in theaters. It caught me so off guard so I wasn't expecting it. Plus, Marion's character kind of scared me in this film. :wow: :woot:

I'm surprised Nolan hasn't tried doing a horror film yet. Certain scenes in this film, like the one above, shows he has the perfect knack for it.

Nolan's almost sterile cold approach in his films is perfect for good mind-****ing horror.
 
I'd love for Nolan to do a straight psychological horror film. There were a few moments in Inception that fit that bill, usually involving Mal.
 
I too would love for Nolan to do psychological horror. Memento came close to it too at points.
 
I think we can all agree that Marion needs to be the villain (or maybe if the protagonist is the villain it'd be interesting). Damn she was creepy in Inception.
 
I'm sure this has been brought up before but does anyone still have this suspicion that they were performing Inception on Cobb?

There are subtle moments that give me this vibe that there's more going on than meets the eye. Ariadne giving this strange lingering glance at Cobb when they first meet almost as if she already knows him or knows what she's getting herself into despite it supposedly being her first time meeting him and being introduced to the inception process. Eames randomly mentioning not seeing his family during the snow fortress scene (almost making a weird dream like mental and character transition in from Cobb to Eames).

The Eames thing actually makes me believe that the whole thing may have been a convoluted dream (I know many hate this idea) just because that's such a common dream trait. You know the one where you start off as either yourself or some other person yet completely change throughout the dream into a different person yet still know it's you. I hope that made some sense.

I know the movie's plot is relatively straight forwards but there are Kubrick like moments in this movie that really have you debating with yourself on the validity of anything taking place in this world and knowing whether it's reality or dream.
 
It would be awesome if Inception ends up being a video game one day. Nolan actually encourages the idea so let's do it!
 
I'm sure this has been brought up before but does anyone still have this suspicion that they were performing Inception on Cobb?

There are subtle moments that give me this vibe that there's more going on than meets the eye. Ariadne giving this strange lingering glance at Cobb when they first meet almost as if she already knows him or knows what she's getting herself into despite it supposedly being her first time meeting him and being introduced to the inception process. Eames randomly mentioning not seeing his family during the snow fortress scene (almost making a weird dream like mental and character transition in from Cobb to Eames).

The Eames thing actually makes me believe that the whole thing may have been a convoluted dream (I know many hate this idea) just because that's such a common dream trait. You know the one where you start off as either yourself or some other person yet completely change throughout the dream into a different person yet still know it's you. I hope that made some sense.

I know the movie's plot is relatively straight forwards but there are Kubrick like moments in this movie that really have you debating with yourself on the validity of anything taking place in this world and knowing whether it's reality or dream.
I went on a Rene Magritte blitz after seeing Inception. :yay: His artwork is incredibly realistic but then there would be these little details that make you question what you're looking at.

I don't doubt that Nolan threw those things in there just to keep things open-ended. :yay:
 
I went on a Rene Magritte blitz after seeing Inception. :yay: His artwork is incredibly realistic but then there would be these little details that make you question what you're looking at.

I don't doubt that Nolan threw those things in there just to keep things open-ended. :yay:
Very good point Anita. Like you, I also think that Nolan added elements of surrealism into the most minute of interactions or selection of dialogue.

You're totally right about Magritte by the way. I can't count the amount of times throughout Inception where I got this uneasy feeling that there is something right in front of my face that "something was actually strange" yet it's alluding me.

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It's the same feeling of anxiety that the Edvard Munch's painting of the Scream gives me (which I have hanging right above my bed :funny:).

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I know this may come off as odd but I found this movie to be more horrifying than any conventional horror movie released in the past decade. There's nothing worse (yet amusingly exhilarating at the same time) than having your perception altered along with a persistent feeling of uneasiness encroaching on you even in the most subtle of moments.

Apparently Nolan envisioned Inception as a horror movie and I honestly don't think he strayed from that. I feel like I'm starting to sound like the people being interviewed for the film Room 237 (documentary on theories on the messages hidden throughout Kubricks The Shining).

There's just always something disturbing about this movie that I can never really quite put my finger on. It goes beyond the pretty standard "guilt created wife projection" villain the story shows to the viewer too. That was never really what made me feel uneasy but rather the implications of the possibilities that I felt were being conveyed across to me. Inception being performed on Cobb, stuck in a perpetual "limbo/coma" state, nightmarish imagery/editing that is overlooked due to its familiar representation in terms of setting yet having those tiny anomalies that completely make me feel claustrophobic and uneasy. For example the optical illusion of closing walls during the Mombassa chase which is supposed to be "reality". Ariadne once again being one of the characters that has always stuck out the most to me because she seems to be so well suited and emotionally equipped to get Dom to terms with his guilt over his wife's death.

Gah I'm ranting at this point but I think I'm going to watch this movie again. This movie somehow popped back into my head and it got me thinking of all the odd feelings it gets out of me. :hehe:
 
Very good point Anita. Like you, I also think that Nolan added elements of surrealism into the most minute of interactions or selection of dialogue.

You're totally right about Magritte by the way. I can't count the amount of times throughout Inception where I got this uneasy feeling that there is something right in front of my face that "something was actually strange" yet it's alluding me.

Nsnd5Wx.jpg


It's the same feeling of anxiety that the Edvard Munch's painting of the Scream gives me (which I have hanging right above my bed :funny:).

wVNRRNb.jpg


I know this may come off as odd but I found this movie to be more horrifying than any conventional horror movie released in the past decade. There's nothing worse (yet amusingly exhilarating at the same time) than having your perception altered along with a persistent feeling of uneasiness encroaching on you even in the most subtle of moments.

Apparently Nolan envisioned Inception as a horror movie and I honestly don't think he strayed from that. I feel like I'm starting to sound like the people being interviewed for the film Room 237 (documentary on theories on the messages hidden throughout Kubricks The Shining).

There's just always something disturbing about this movie that I can never really quite put my finger on. It goes beyond the pretty standard "guilt created wife projection" villain the story shows to the viewer too. That was never really what made me feel uneasy but rather the implications of the possibilities that I felt were being conveyed across to me. Inception being performed on Cobb, stuck in a perpetual "limbo/coma" state, nightmarish imagery/editing that is overlooked due to its familiar representation in terms of setting yet having those tiny anomalies that completely make me feel claustrophobic and uneasy. For example the optical illusion of closing walls during the Mombassa chase which is supposed to be "reality". Ariadne once again being one of the characters that has always stuck out the most to me because she seems to be so well suited and emotionally equipped to get Dom to terms with his guilt over his wife's death.

Gah I'm ranting at this point but I think I'm going to watch this movie again. This movie somehow popped back into my head and it got me thinking of all the odd feelings it gets out of me. :hehe:
I don't think Inception is horrifying, but there's something otherworldly about it despite Nolan's hyper-realistic tendencies. "Realizing there's something strange" is a good way to put it. Like in Magritte's paintings, something "off" that isn't obvious at first glance.

Like in the famous Son of Man painting, did you notice (well, beyond the obvious apple in his face) that the man's left elbow is backwards?

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ONCE YOU SEE IT YOU WILL NEVER UNSEE IT. :eek:

Magritte also had an obsession with covered faces. His mother committed suicide by drowning, and supposedly, she was found in the river with her dress covering her face.

Now Nolan obviously didn't go the grotesque route by putting people's limbs on backwards, but yeah, other details. :funny: I find the possibilities intriguing than disturbing. It's a story constructed around its own construction. Meta! :awesome:
 
Very good point Anita. Like you, I also think that Nolan added elements of surrealism into the most minute of interactions or selection of dialogue.

You're totally right about Magritte by the way. I can't count the amount of times throughout Inception where I got this uneasy feeling that there is something right in front of my face that "something was actually strange" yet it's alluding me.

It's the same feeling of anxiety that the Edvard Munch's painting of the Scream gives me (which I have hanging right above my bed :funny:).

I know this may come off as odd but I found this movie to be more horrifying than any conventional horror movie released in the past decade. There's nothing worse (yet amusingly exhilarating at the same time) than having your perception altered along with a persistent feeling of uneasiness encroaching on you even in the most subtle of moments.

Apparently Nolan envisioned Inception as a horror movie and I honestly don't think he strayed from that. I feel like I'm starting to sound like the people being interviewed for the film Room 237 (documentary on theories on the messages hidden throughout Kubricks The Shining).

There's just always something disturbing about this movie that I can never really quite put my finger on. It goes beyond the pretty standard "guilt created wife projection" villain the story shows to the viewer too. That was never really what made me feel uneasy but rather the implications of the possibilities that I felt were being conveyed across to me. Inception being performed on Cobb, stuck in a perpetual "limbo/coma" state, nightmarish imagery/editing that is overlooked due to its familiar representation in terms of setting yet having those tiny anomalies that completely make me feel claustrophobic and uneasy. For example the optical illusion of closing walls during the Mombassa chase which is supposed to be "reality". Ariadne once again being one of the characters that has always stuck out the most to me because she seems to be so well suited and emotionally equipped to get Dom to terms with his guilt over his wife's death.

Gah I'm ranting at this point but I think I'm going to watch this movie again. This movie somehow popped back into my head and it got me thinking of all the odd feelings it gets out of me. :hehe:

I have to agree 1,000%. :up:

There's a weird mixture of Kubrick, Terrence Malick, and maybe even some David Lynch thrown into Inception. It's hard to explain, but I feel the presence of all three men there. And it's an incredibly unsettling movie, without a doubt. For those who don't see that, they have to really be in the movie. I always try to explain this and people don't understand - what I mean is, watching a movie isn't the same as really watching a movie, like really experiencing it.

If you're not watching a Horror movie, if you're not leaning forward and really watching that teenage girl walk down the hallway in her bare feet while the wooden floor boards are creaking under her, you're not going to be scared. You can watch her do that, but you have to be thinking about it, you have to be immersed in it, you have to imagine that you're this poor little 16 year old who is defenseless. Otherwise, you're just watching a movie. You need to have the attention span for movies like this, or else you're incredibly bored out of your mind by some dumb teenager walking around for five minutes.

This is off topic, but I saw Man of Steel with a buddy of mine. He totally wasn't "into" it, because he was looking at the various people getting up from their seats to go to the bathroom, he was checking his phone for a text, he was rustling around in his seat, he himself got up to go to the bathroom at one point. And then the movie was over, we got up from our seats and I asked, "What did you think?", and he gave me that classic, all-too-familiar, Internet-critic response: "The action was too long and big, and the fight scene at the end was too long and overblown," etc. Yes, maybe for you it was, but speak for yourself. If you were watching the movie, if you were "in" it, if you were invested in these characters like I was, then you would've felt Movie Magic. I caught the fever of "Movie Magic" as early as the first 15 minutes with the Krypton opening. It hearkened back to seeing Jurassic Park for the first time for me - hell, even Star Wars. There could've literally been a thousand clones of Jessica Biel in their underwear dancing on poles in the movie theater, and my eyes would've still been glued to that damn screen.

Back on point. I think something that makes Inception horroresque and disturbing to me is the idea that you can't trust your own judgment - that you can't even trust yourself. That your own eyes might be playing tricks on you, that everything around you might be a mirage, and you don't know what reality is anymore. Jacob's Ladder does this. And, obviously, Memento does this. Memento is another one of those films that really creeps me out, that really makes me think long and hard about things.

Another element is Hans Zimmer's score for Inception. There's something so unusual about it, so earthly and yet so alien. It's like a combination of techno and electronica one minute, and then another minute it's like being on a beach watching the waves wash up on shore. It's like being an astronaut in space, yet being in a cave with cavemen. And this is all happening simultaneously in the same tracks. I have no clue how else to explain that or how to elaborate on it.

Another thing that kind of floored me and really made me disoriented was the scene when they're all in the empty warehouse and Cobb is explaining Mal's story to Ariadne. There was just this instant realization that hit me, like, "Wow, this is a flashback, told inside a dream in a warehouse, and they're all sitting on an airplane right now." There's just something so odd about it, it kind of makes me uncomfortable. The Prestige did that for me too with the journals.

I have a million other things I could babble about, but bottom line, I think this is one of the most profound films ever made, no question. I know there's a "cool" backlash against it on the Internet now, but whatever. I totally put Nolan up there with Kubrick without a doubt.
 

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