The Dark Knight Cillian Murphy in TDK.

[JStorm]

hmm, makes me wonder how big-- or small-- Cillian's role would be. because if Scarecrow is in we could end up with too-many-villains syndrome.

Nolan is smarter than Batman and Robin, and for that matter, Spider-Man 3.

 

[Leon the Professional]

hmm, makes me wonder how big-- or small-- Cillian's role would be. because if Scarecrow is in we could end up with too-many-villains syndrome.

That is only a syndrome if the director is too incompetent to be able to balance multiple villains well.

Nolan has no such problem, as evidenced by Begins.

 

[General Vulcun]

In the sides, a homeless man (I think) keeps screaming about bugs on him, but there's nothing on him, which means he's hallucinating from the fear toxin. And really, how much sense would it be to have fear toxin, but no Scarecrow?

 

[Leon the Professional]

How could you tell he was in it from the sides?

There is a side in which there is a druggie in an alley tripping out about some kind of creatures crawling over him, into his mouth, eating his insides.

Sounds like fear-inducing drugs to me.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Awesome, it's nice to hear he's back.

 

[Bond]

Ahhhh. Forgot about that scene. Sorry about that.

 

[jimmy]

My mind just exploded.

 

[AdmNelson]

[EDIT - to give proper credit]

As Sasquatchs (below) pointed out, look at what Cillian allegedly said:

"I can't count on that at the moment, I'm afraid," he reported.

Uh, what? "I can't COUNT on that at the moment, I'm afraid?" That's an odd sentence, at best -- translated literally, it suggests that Cillian was looking forward to this "job," but it doesn't look as if it's coming through, or they're hiring him at the last moment (a scary proposition, if he has other work and can't make the schedule.) The only way that sentence makes sense is if he is/was expecting to be in it, there's been talk, but he hasn't signed any contract yet. (And without a contract, nothing's a done deal.)

I agree with Sasquatchs -- I think Cillian was misinterpreted/mis-heard. I think he said:

"I can't COMMENT on that at the moment, I'm afraid."

Makes much more sense, and a "no comment" response isn't a "no." It's a "I can't overtly say 'yes,' or the studio will kill me."



-- Admiral Nelson

 

[sasquatchs]

No-one ever remembers my name

 

[NoName86]

But, as I mentioned over in the new poiler thread, it could be that they might not technically even need Murphy back to do the scarecrow, as all you would beed is a stunt man with a mask on. I am assuming of course that his face will not be shown. However, I just read above that Murphy will be returning, which makes this movie all the more sweeter. The Joker info, and now hearing that thing about the Joker and Toxin (a bit spoilerish so i'm leaving details out, even though this is a spoiler forum) just makes me think like....woah!!!! Awesome!!

 

[Keyser Soze]

For any UK-based Cillian Murphy/Scarecrow fans:

Channel 4 is showing an early film of his at 1:45am, called "Disco Pigs". I might give it a go.

 

[CConn]

Nolan is smarter than Batman and Robin, and for that matter, Spider-Man 3.

Batman Begins technically had more villains than Spider-Man 3.

 

[Batty Belfry]

So based on what we know, and if it's true, what do you suppose Crane will look like under the burlap? Does anybody think a tazer to the face would have some long-lasting effects?


LOL VH1 presents Scarecrow: Behind The Burlap

 

[Micah12345]

As someone else pointed out, look at what Cillian allegedly said:

"I can't count on that at the moment, I'm afraid," he reported.

Uh, what? "I can't COUNT on that at the moment, I'm afraid?" That's an odd sentence, at best -- translated literally, it suggests that Cillian was looking forward to this "job," but it doesn't look as if it's coming through, or they're hiring him at the last moment (a scary proposition, if he has other work and can't make the schedule.) The only way that sentence makes sense is if he is/was expecting to be in it, there's been talk, but he hasn't signed any contract yet. (And without a contract, nothing's a done deal.)

I think he was misinterpreted/mis-heard. I think he said:

"I can't COMMENT on that at the moment, I'm afraid."

Makes much more sense, and a "no comment" response isn't a "no." It's a "I can't overtly say 'yes,' or the studio will kill me."



-- Admiral Nelson

If you say that sentence out loud in cillian's accent, "comment" and "count" sound like the same word.

 

[Cats]

Batman Begins technically had more villains than Spider-Man 3.

But the villains didn't seem to suffer a lack of attention like they did in Spidey 3.

 

[TheBatman072]

Whew, glad he's in it.

 

[NeoQuaker]

Nolan could make a good movie with 10 villains. Although, obviously an even better movie with a few less.

 

[Katsuro]

But the villains didn't seem to suffer a lack of attention like they did in Spidey 3.

In a way, they did. It's just that Batman Begins handled it a lot better. Sandman i'm sure had more screen time than Falcone did. But with Falcone, they never even tried to develop him. He was a minor character who served his purpose, and that was it. We were never supposed to care for him, so it wasn't a big deal when we didn't.

On the other hand, they tried to make us care for Sandman. They introduced the plot line about his daughter, but they never finished it. They didn't resolve any of the crap they brought up with the guy. Sandman would've been a lot better if he'd have just been a thug. Instead of acting like he's someone worth caring for, then not deliver him, just let him be a minor character.

I'm sure we'll be fine regardless of the amount of villains in the film. Nolan knows how to handle these kinds of things.

 

[Anita18]

In a way, they did. It's just that Batman Begins handled it a lot better. Sandman i'm sure had more screen time than Falcone did. But with Falcone, they never even tried to develop him. He was a minor character who served his purpose, and that was it. We were never supposed to care for him, so it wasn't a big deal when we didn't.

ITA. Falcone and Earle were villains that the audience recognized - they were greedy, merciless bastards, and people get that, because we hear about them every day. OTOH, people usually need some sort of backstory when it comes to supervillians.

It was still really cool how Dr. Crane's character was fleshed out just by the writing and acting, instead of showing the audience a backstory for him. I dunno about anyone else, but it was clear to me that Crane was making up for his small stature and unimportance by trying to be a big baddie. No need for a backstory there - the audience could fill in the blanks themselves.

Cillian might prove to be a distraction to my friend again, though. She couldn't find him believable as a villain since she kept on wanting to kiss him.

 

[odiin]

But the villains didn't seem to suffer a lack of attention like they did in Spidey 3.

That's because they were written in a way where most didn't NEED the attention, some where major characters, some were minor characters and someone were regulated to merely background and cameo roles. In Spider-Man 3 every villain was pretty much written as if they were THE main villain so they ended up directly stealing attention from one another and as a result, none got the attention they needed, but in Batman Begins Ra's Al Ghul was clearly the main villain, Scarecrow the supporting villain, Carmine Falcone was a catalyst in Bruce taking on the identity of "The Batman" Flass was a supporting antagonist and Zsasz was a cameo. Each villain got as much attention as their role called for and didn't take attention away from each other.

 

[AdmNelson]

No-one ever remembers my name

Corrected above, sir! (And please pardon my original laziness.)

-- Admiral Nelson

 

[StorminNorman]

No-one ever remembers my name

I am going to call you Toni from now on - it is much easier to remember.

 

[Nepenthes]

Bah, Cillian was ALWAYS gonna be back. Ye of little faith

 

[hannya]

Excellent news . Leaving him out would have made no sense. my God this movie is going to be INSANE

 

[Retroman]

FYI guys:

I've recieved some info from a very generous individual, who told me Cillian is, in fact, in TDK.

He also advised any Irish SHH'ers who live in the Baltimore area to keep an eye on the Mondello race track from Monday onwards.

I'll edit the original post to reflect this information.

I'm thrilled that he's back.

The mask won't be burned to his face. The rivalry begins, it's not just jumped immediatly into. Joker's "origin" would be sketchy if at all. He'll be Joker in looks the whole time, but Bats does somethings that push him to the final crazy mofo we all know and hate, err love. W/e. lol. And that the execs are going to extreme lengths to keep the script under wraps.

I guess it would be too much like Black Mask. Interesting; Crane did get a taser in the face with his trusty potato sack on.