Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 13:

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Metalhead (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio



Match 14:

Moon Knight (HELLSTORMER) bio

vs.

Whirlwind (POWDERMAN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location:

Empire State University (ESU) is a fictional university in the Marvel Comics Universe. It is located somewhere in New York City, America. Many Marvel Comics characters, especially those associated with Spider-Man, have either attended or worked at the university.

(It's a Saturday. Very little students, classes are closed, and you might have the stray janitor or kids in the library.)

 

[Hellstormer]

Final Results:

Black Tom Cassidy beat Nocturne-Exiles 12-3
Agatha Harkness beat Thor Girl 14-1
Spider-Exiles beat Black Cat 15-0
Captain Britain-Brian Braddock beat Falcon & Redwing 15-0

(One set of votes were removed due to lack of voting in other threads.)

Huh, Nocturne got 2 more votes glad to see some people had an open mind even though even I knew the chances of her winning were slim. Nice debate Ky.

 

[Hellstormer]

Match 14:

Moon Knight (HELLSTORMER) bio

vs.

Whirlwind (POWDERMAN) bio

Moon Knight would destroy Whirlwind. First off Marc would be familier with the surroundings because he's attended many charitable celebrations and made many donations to this college. Also he wouldn't hold back at all, he would have Avenger level clearence to the files he needed, but Whirlwind would have Masters of evil files....but do they rreally even have somewhere to hold this stuff? I'm assuming they don't but even if they did the files on MK would be slim. Now again in MK knows he's going into a tough battle he won't hold back. MK would know that Whirlwind has increased strength and perfect balnce meaning he'l have to use him weapons and the the few hits he gets effectively. Now WW's bio says nothing as far as his fighting ability where as MArc is considered to be one of the most efficient fighters in the MU. And depending on the phase of the moon his strength could really level this abttle out. If it's not night time MArc will by his time waiting for night. His costume is made to hide well in the shadows making him almost invisible in the shadows. Moon KNight has a variety of weapons and in thsi particular battle he'll probaly bring his spiked knuckles, admantium staff, and probaly a handgun (Yes he does use firearms). Now the actual battle I won't be able to say about until Phaed tells me the Moon phase. So hold off on a rebuttall till I know that.

EDIT: Ok Phaed said it's night time so MK won't need to buy time. I'm assuming the Moon is probaly a half moon waxing which means he's on the same strength level as Spiderman. Now I'm not exactly sure how strog WW is but MK knows he's perfectly balanced so he'll probaly try to do something to disorient and cnofuse him the battle would mostly be WW thrashing through everything while MK hid and waited for the correct times to strike and when he would it would be swift in mercilous.

Winner= Moon Knight

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 14:

Wind Dancer (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Squirrel Girl & Tippy-Toe (ZOKEN) bio

This is an interesting match up.......not.

Wind dancer is a mutant who has control of winds whereas Squirrel Girl has squirrel powers and the ability to communicate with them.

In a normal matchup, wind dancer will create a wind shield (a condensed set of criss crossing winds that would act to repel anything that tries to penetrate the wall of winds) around her that would be impervious to any attack. She would then go searching for Squiirel Girl who she would know full well. Wind dancer would be lugging a big bag around with her.

Squirrel Girl would probably try and surprise her by jumping on her but she wuold be surprised by these set of winds which would automatically repel her. Squirrel Girl would then probably summon a horde of squirrels but....... that would be the point that Wind dancer would open the big bag which would contain nuts that she would send out using the wind to the hungry squirrels who would be busy eating them and during this moment of distration squirrel girl would feel herself lifted up by a gale force wind and tossed to the wall with Tippy Toe knocking both of them out.

Wind Dancer would then check out the dorms and faculty as college is just around the corner for her....

 

[JewishHobbit]

Caliban Vs Flatman

I'm of the mind that this is a blowout match... and here's hoping that you all agree with me. Flatman is intelligent and has decent leadership abilities. Caliban is a large beast who is innocent but also has a savage heart. His mutant ability is that he can track other mutants, and that is where Flatman is going to fall. He can try to hide or do what he wants, but Caliban will know exactly where he is. Now here's the battle as I see it...

They are in the university, and Flatman is looking for some way to take advantage of the beast. He will find a science lab and will begin to formulate an equasion (him being very smart) that could form some type of knock out gas.. however, it takes time to find the stuff to make it work and to make it, and Caliban's ability to track other mutants will not give him that time. He will be working on the formula, and just as he is about ready to perfect it, Caliban bursts into the room and attacks. Flatman will get the gas released, but will be attacked before it can fully effect Caliban, and he will be beaten to a tar beneath the former Horseman of Apocalypse. Flatman will be out, and Caliban will begin to feel a bit woozy himself, but he will be fine. In the end, he is still standing.

Winner - Caliban

(see, I was even being fair and giving Flatman a fair chance in this match )

 

[Zoken]

Squirrel Girl and Tippy-Toe (thanks for letting her have her partner by the way) Vs. Wind Dancer.

This isn't going to be a difficult match, you're right. Now Doreen won't know what her power is, but it won't be hard to divine from her name. Now, Squirrel-Girl is a master of thinking different combat. She's gone up against Thanos, Terrax, Mandarin, Dr. Doom, and MODOK and come out on top. She's got something up her sleeve. She's going to stalk Wind Dancer for a while, who won't know ANYTHING about Doreen as most people wouldn't. She will observe the way the winds move around her (many squirrels glide so it isn't inconceivable that they would inform her about how the winds are behaving). she won't attack directly from the front. Her squirrels will approach her first. since Wind Dance doesn't know that Doreen can control them she might find it odd that Squirrels are following her, and eventually catch on. but they can clump together weighing themselves down and still moving forward. when Wind Dancer's mind is occupied by the squirrels that are menacing her, that is when Doreen strikes. She jumps in to make a few quick strikes, but is quickly pushed away by the wind. However, she left a present behind: Tippy-Toe. now what girl isn't going to freak out when she finds a rodent in her hair. not to mention Tippy-Toe has to have a good grip as she was the only squirrel to survive that vortex in the Misassembled arc. Now Tippy-Toe will be on a mission... get in her clothing. Like I said, Squirrel-Girl is a master of fighting differently. while Tippy Toe is scrabbling all over Wind Dancer's body (With no room for a sufficently powerful enough wind to propel her away) the other squirrels advance, along with Squirrel-Girl to pin Wind Dancer.

 

[Zoken]

This is an interesting match up.......not.

Wind dancer is a mutant who has control of winds whereas Squirrel Girl has squirrel powers and the ability to communicate with them.

In a normal matchup, wind dancer will create a wind shield (a condensed set of criss crossing winds that would act to repel anything that tries to penetrate the wall of winds) around her that would be impervious to any attack. She would then go searching for Squiirel Girl who she would know full well. Wind dancer would be lugging a big bag around with her.

Tell me, for starters, where it shows Wind Dancer, still very much a novice at her powers, capable of that. I read most of her Pre-M-Day arc. she could fly, she could carry sounds, and she could throw wind at people, that was the extent of her powers.

Squirrel Girl would probably try and surprise her by jumping on her but she wuold be surprised by these set of winds which would automatically repel her. Squirrel Girl would then probably summon a horde of squirrels but....... that would be the point that Wind dancer would open the big bag which would contain nuts that she would send out using the wind to the hungry squirrels who would be busy eating them and during this moment of distration squirrel girl would feel herself lifted up by a gale force wind and tossed to the wall with Tippy Toe knocking both of them out.

Squirrel Girl knows subtlety and timing. she knows how to plan and how to attack. SHIELD has considered her for a spot as agent. And if the horde-o-squirrels is so ravenous they'd ignore their target for a bag of nuts, then they would also be mauling Squirrel-Girl as she carries nuts in her nut-sacks at her waist and is know to smell like hazelnuts.

Wind Dancer would then check out the dorms and faculty as college is just around the corner for her....

oh, for the record, the environment favors SG as it not only gives her room and structures to manuever in and on, but it also grants her back-up in the form of the Horde-o-Squirrels

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Rebuttal

Squirrel Girl and Tippy-Toe (thanks for letting her have her partner by the way) Vs. Wind Dancer.

This isn't going to be a difficult match, you're right. Now Doreen won't know what her power is, but it won't be hard to divine from her name.

First of all as a student in the x-mansion, she should have access to files on all mutants including squirrel girl. Therefore she should know who this character is.

Now, Squirrel-Girl is a master of thinking different combat. She's gone up against Thanos, Terrax, Mandarin, Dr. Doom, and MODOK and come out on top.

As quite a few happenned off panel, please state how she won in each of those. Squirrel girl is a joke and you know it and to use the battles above as a reference is ludicrous.

She's got something up her sleeve. She's going to stalk Wind Dancer for a while, who won't know ANYTHING about Doreen as most people wouldn't.

Given that Wind Dancer will leave the main building and go on the grounds and that she will keep the wind tightly controlled around her, how is squirrel girl supposed to figure anything out? If she is not allowed she will find a main hall with access to windows which she will have all openned.

She will observe the way the winds move around her (many squirrels glide so it isn't inconceivable that they would inform her about how the winds are behaving).

So tell me, are all these squirrels now meterologists who can state that wind is behaving strangely because they can compare natural wind patterns with what may be winds started unnaturally. All they could note is it may be a windy day and even that is unlikely if Doreen keeps the winds tight around herself.

she won't attack directly from the front. Her squirrels will approach her first. since Wind Dance doesn't know that Doreen can control them she might find it odd that Squirrels are following her, and eventually catch on.

You do realise alo this is a university in which there are stragglers. Do you not think that if people see squirrels walking around they might deem it strange and call pest control. Squirrels are not just going to roam the groounds iwthout hinderance.

but they can clump together weighing themselves down and still moving forward

I hate to break it to you but if a hurricane like wind hits the squirrels they are all flying away. No clumping would help.

when Wind Dancer's mind is occupied by the squirrels that are menacing her, that is when Doreen strikes. She jumps in to make a few quick strikes, but is quickly pushed away by the wind. However, she left a present behind: Tippy-Toe. now what girl isn't going to freak out when she finds a rodent in her hair. not to mention Tippy-Toe has to have a good grip as she was the only squirrel to survive that vortex in the Misassembled arc. Now Tippy-Toe will be on a mission... get in her clothing.

OK apart from the fact she could use her hands to whip tippy toe or way or a wind to thow her into a wall. How the hell does tippy toe get past the wind that pushed Squirrel Girl away? What is Tippy toe a special squirrel that can withstand the wind?

Like I said, Squirrel-Girl is a master of fighting differently. while Tippy Toe is scrabbling all over Wind Dancer's body (With no room for a sufficently powerful enough wind to propel her away) the other squirrels advance, along with Squirrel-Girl to pin[/p] Wind Dancer.

Why would there not be enough room. she can create a wind that wisks Tippy Toe away like a tornado which are tightly focused winds that work like a funnel.

And the others where not just flung away but flung either into walls or trees or other hard inanimate objects so they are all knocked out.

Besides all that, we are not in a wrestling match, pinning is not victory, even if she was pinned wind dancer could generate winds that would have squirrels and squirrel girl flying all over the room striking things.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Tell me, for starters, where it shows Wind Dancer, still very much a novice at her powers, capable of that. I read most of her Pre-M-Day arc. she could fly, she could carry sounds, and she could throw wind at people, that was the extent of her powers.

She learnned because it si a very small step between throwing people awy and keeping winds as a buffer which will throw all away as a buffer zone.

Squirrel Girl knows subtlety and timing. she knows how to plan and how to attack. SHIELD has considered her for a spot as agent.

Was it not more then someone stated her as a joke. And just a little point of information, Squirrel Girl is not Batman or James Bond.

And if the horde-o-squirrels is so ravenous they'd ignore their target for a bag of nuts, then they would also be mauling Squirrel-Girl as she carries nuts in her nut-sacks at her waist and is know to smell like hazelnuts.

Oh I am sorry...are you stating that the squirrels would attack her as well. That is fine with me. Therefore squirrel girl attacks by her own squirrels gets eaten alive.

Squirrels like to horde therefore if they see nuts flung at them they will be distracted and likely more interested in the hazelnuts then in Wind Dancer.

oh, for the record, the environment favors SG as it not only gives her room and structures to manuever in and on, but it also grants her back-up in the form of the Horde-o-Squirrels

Really, I do not see that. How does this structure give her back up in the form of horde-o-squirrels. This is not chipmunk university you know. Plus if it was in the city it would take time for the squirrels to make it there.

Wind Dancer sould easily knock squirrel girl out which would quickly end the battle.

 

[kytrigger]

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Metalhead (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

Back from visiting my mom and stepdad for thanksgiving and ready to debate...

This is an unfortunate match-up for Metalhead because when compared to Genis, he is simply outclassed.

Powers wise, Metalhead has enhanced strength and takes on the properties of whatever metal he touches.

Photon has the ability to mainipulate photons (of which everything is made out of), has super strength, and cosmic awareness. This is a guy that when he went insane, used his powers to not only destroy the universe, but to recreate it again as well (with some minor differences.)

Now to get the prep time out of the way, I am not sure that Metalhead could get any info on Photon. He is form the future though, so he might be able to. As for Genis, he could know everythign about Metalhead. Even though he is from teh future, his cosmic awareness is greater than the original Captain Marvel's and he can see through time. Not only will this help, but when the battle takes place, he will already know what Metalhead is going to do before he does it.

Add the Cosmic Awareness to his other abilities of super strength, and the fact that he manipulates photons so he could do anythign from shooting blasts, to completely destroying metalhead on a molecular level and he pretty much has this one in the bag.

Winner- Photon


EDIT: I just read in the COM discussion thread that this is Photon withteh Thunderbolts. I'd like to point out that whiel I talked about him begin able to create and destroy the universe, that was when he was insane. Somehow the insanity did give him a power upgrade so he isn't on that level during this fight. He does however still maintain all of the same powers, just not at universe-destroying levels.

 

[Zoken]

Rebuttle of the Rebuttle

Rebuttal: First of all as a student in the x-mansion, she should have access to files on all mutants including squirrel girl. Therefore she should know who this character is.

Squirrel Girl has never been identified as mutant to anyone other than Tony Stark and the GLC. She has never attended that X-Mansion, nor has she every interacted with mutants aside from her interaction at the Thing's Poker game, and I doubt "Hey, you're a mutant? What are your powers so I can document them for all my students to have access to" is going to come up. The X-Men don't know about her. she may be a mutant M-Day survivor, but she is not part of the 198 in the Xavier Compound,

As quite a few happenned off panel, please state how she won in each of those. Squirrel girl is a joke and you know it and to use the battles above as a reference is ludicrous.

as much of a joke as you may think Squirrel-Girl is, and as much as those battles happened off panel, They are all still incontinuity.

Given that Wind Dancer will leave the main building and go on the grounds and that she will keep the wind tightly controlled around her, how is squirrel girl supposed to figure anything out? If she is not allowed she will find a main hall with access to windows which she will have all openned.

Doreen can follow from roof tops, ledges, trees, whatever. she was able to sneak up on Tony Stark who was test piloting a sonar guidance system. I think she can sneak up on a green X-kid wannabe. and I doubt she could open every window around her by the way.

So tell me, are all these squirrels now meterologists who can state that wind is behaving strangely because they can compare natural wind patterns with what may be winds started unnaturally. All they could note is it may be a windy day and even that is unlikely if Doreen keeps the winds tight around herself.

I wasn't say they are meterologists, but they do depend heavily on the wind for their day to day lives so they would understand quite intimately how the wind works.

You do realise alo this is a university in which there are stragglers. Do you not think that if people see squirrels walking around they might deem it strange and call pest control. Squirrels are not just going to roam the groounds iwthout hinderance.

what are you talking about. this is a nice open campus with lots of trees and woody areas and grassy areas. of course squirrels can move about without hindrance, what are you smoking? No one calls pest control on squirrels unless they are inside the building, which would be an enormous disadvantage to Wind Dancer.

I hate to break it to you but if a hurricane like wind hits the squirrels they are all flying away. No clumping would help.

Since when can she make hurricane force winds? and Squirrel-Girl's squirrels have survived a vortex that was sucking in the universe, I think they can stand up to whatever this teeniebopper is going to blow at them.

OK apart from the fact she could use her hands to whip tippy toe or way or a wind to thow her into a wall. How the hell does tippy toe get past the wind that pushed Squirrel Girl away? What is Tippy toe a special squirrel that can withstand the wind?

Tippy-Toe jumps on while Wind Dancer is distracted by Squirrel-Girl. she is able to hang on because she has claws that she can dig into Wind Dancer's clothes, hair, or if need be skin.

Why would there not be enough room. she can create a wind that wisks Tippy Toe away like a tornado which are tightly focused winds that work like a funnel.

Tippy-Toe would be tightly against Wind Dancer's body, there would be no room to whip up the kind of wind necessary to blow her off. She needs room to get her wind in motion.

And the others where not just flung away but flung either into walls or trees or other hard inanimate objects so they are all knocked out.

They're squirrels, they don't have the same mass humans do, meaning the impact isn't as great. also they are arboreal in nature, so they are use to impacting trees and such as they leap and scamper daily.

Besides all that, we are not in a wrestling match, pinning is not victory, even if she was pinned wind dancer could generate winds that would have squirrels and squirrel girl flying all over the room striking things.

Fine, while pinned, the squirrels strip Wind Dancer naked and Doreen refused to return the girl's things until she surrenders. and if need be she could just knock out Wind Dancer instead, however I think the humiliation of being butt-naked on a college campus would be enough to cause Wind Dancer to surrender. she is, after all, a teenage girl.

 

[Zoken]

She learnned because it si a very small step between throwing people awy and keeping winds as a buffer which will throw all away as a buffer zone.

no, it is a large leap from using winds to throw people and creating a sheild with them.

Was it not more then someone stated her as a joke. And just a little point of information, Squirrel Girl is not Batman or James Bond.

this has been addressed. She may be a joke in your opinion, but her adventures are all incontinuity. Squirrel-Girl isn't those characters... she's better.

Oh I am sorry...are you stating that the squirrels would attack her as well. That is fine with me. Therefore squirrel girl attacks by her own squirrels gets eaten alive.

Squirrels like to horde therefore if they see nuts flung at them they will be distracted and likely more interested in the hazelnuts then in Wind Dancer.

while I know you are being sarcastic, I'm going to address this. The squirrels she commands, obey her, not their instincts, thusly they will ignore any nuts thrown and obey their orders.

Really, I do not see that. How does this structure give her back up in the form of horde-o-squirrels. This is not chipmunk university you know. Plus if it was in the city it would take time for the squirrels to make it there.

where do you think this is. Empire State University has a great deal of land scaping and greenery. what do you think lives there. this isn't in the city, its at ESU, and there are Squirrels living there, deal with it.

Wind Dancer sould easily knock squirrel girl out which would quickly end the battle.

no, Squirrel-Girl is highly talented and has beat enemies far tougher, and far scarier than Wind Dancer.

and on another note, if ANYONE could possibly have prior knowledge of the other's powers, it would be Doreen. she could easily get on to the X-Men's campus and chat with their squirrels about the students.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Photon Vs Metalhead

Okay... so I thought long and hard about this match... and for the first time this season.... I got nothin'!!! I tried my best to find a way for Metalhead to win this match, but I can't think of a single thing. First off, I can't for the life of me figure out Photon's powers having never read anything with him in it before, and the profiles sure don't clear it up for me (it's like reading a foreign language!). I was trying to some how link the fact that Metalhead's latest metal absorbed was that of an alien ship that was designed to fly through space and all it's cosmic radiation and such, and how he could resist Photon's powers through that... and how he's resistent to light due to it... but I can't figure out if that would help him in this match or not. The only other thing I can think of is that Photon was taken out by Atlas by an act of force, and that it shows that Metalhead can possibly win with a show of force... but that's all I got.

So if you think any of these would help Metalhead (because I have no idea)... then vote for Metalhead.

Winner - I dunno

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Rebuttle of the Rebuttle Squirrel Girl has never been identified as mutant to anyone other than Tony Stark and the GLC. She has never attended that X-Mansion, nor has she every interacted with mutants aside from her interaction at the Thing's Poker game, and I doubt "Hey, you're a mutant? What are your powers so I can document them for all my students to have access to" is going to come up. The X-Men don't know about her. she may be a mutant M-Day survivor, but she is not part of the 198 in the Xavier Compound,

I was talking that in the cerebra files there may have been information on Squirrel Girl, given she was able to supposedly defeat characters like Dr. Doom and Thanos. But I do get your point as well so I would said my point is a possibility not a probability.

as much of a joke as you may think Squirrel-Girl is, and as much as those battles happened off panel, They are all still incontinuity.

But you did not answer this question which was how did she defeat these guys? Given that we did not know maybe it never really did happen. Especially, given that, none of the people she supposedly defeated in the comics can remember being defeated by her in continuity.

Doreen can follow from roof tops, ledges, trees, whatever. she was able to sneak up on Tony Stark who was test piloting a sonar guidance system. I think she can sneak up on a green X-kid wannabe. and I doubt she could open every window around her by the way.

This is where you lost me....Either we are having the battle inside in which case Wind Dancer would be opening the windows or it is outside where her powers are more effective.

By the way if they are outside I forgot to state that Wind Dancer would be using winds to keep her afloat above the tree line.

I wasn't say they are meterologists, but they do depend heavily on the wind for their day to day lives so they would understand quite intimately how the wind works.

All they understand is wind may be strong and they need to hide not variations of wind speed being abnormal.

what are you talking about. this is a nice open campus with lots of trees and woody areas and grassy areas. of course squirrels can move about without hindrance, what are you smoking? No one calls pest control on squirrels unless they are inside the building, which would be an enormous disadvantage to Wind Dancer.

The campus is in New York City and I do not know if you have visited New York University, but there is no nice open campus with trees and grass. There are city streets.

Columbia has a bit of a campus but it is surrounded by the city and the campus is not enormous.

I doubt this place has a campus like Northwestern or Harvard in Cambridge.

Therefore squirrels are unlikely to be too common. In any case, I think we have a bigger problem. It is whether we are outside or inside. Your whole opening remark was inside while mine happenned outside. I then stated what she would have done if it was inside. I am willing to say if outside, the squirrels could roam more freely (but if this was like NYU there would be no open campus only city streets) but inside, they would be hinderred by pest control.

Since when can she make hurricane force winds? and Squirrel-Girl's squirrels have survived a vortex that was sucking in the universe, I think they can stand up to whatever this teeniebopper is going to blow at them.

If you can make winds powerful enough to move people you can make hurricane force winds. So these squirrels that she would have called for in NYU would be the same ones as before. Hmmm that is not possible. And if they are new squirrels the chances of them being able to avoid a wind strong enough to pick up humans and fling them away, is very low.

Tippy-Toe jumps on while Wind Dancer is distracted by Squirrel-Girl. she is able to hang on because she has claws that she can dig into Wind Dancer's clothes, hair, or if need be skin.

But if Tippy toe comes from the same direction she would be just as affected as Squirrel Girl by the wind and being of smaller mass she would be affected even more by the wind pwoerful enough to move squirrel girl.

She also has a greater problem, wind dancer is up in the air above the tree line. How does squirrel girl of Tippy Toe reach her from below?

Tippy-Toe would be tightly against Wind Dancer's body, there would be no room to whip up the kind of wind necessary to blow her off. She needs room to get her wind in motion.

She would still need to get that close which is in question.

They're squirrels, they don't have the same mass humans do, meaning the impact isn't as great. also they are arboreal in nature, so they are use to impacting trees and such as they leap and scamper daily.

Fine, while pinned, the squirrels strip Wind Dancer naked and Doreen refused to return the girl's things until she surrenders. and if need be she could just knock out Wind Dancer instead, however I think the humiliation of being butt-naked on a college campus would be enough to cause Wind Dancer to surrender. she is, after all, a teenage girl.

Again they would need to get that close to pin her. Wind dancer would be using winds to fling them about gales would be going in every direction leaving her in a Vortex of safety. And the squirrels along with squirrel girl unable to control their own movements.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

no, it is a large leap from using winds to throw people and creating a sheild with them.

No it isn't. It is just a matter of creating criss crossing wind patterns which will always lead outward but would leave a vortex where nothing is happenning.

this has been addressed. She may be a joke in your opinion, but her adventures are all incontinuity. Squirrel-Girl isn't those characters... she's better.

A joke in most people's opinions not just mine. But I adress that above. I am just claiming that unless you can state how she defeated the characters she defeated you can not use those victories. I will give you Dr. Doom getting overwhelmed though even if all he had to do was a create an electrical discharge using his armour and it would have been fried squirrel.

while I know you are being sarcastic, I'm going to address this. The squirrels she commands, obey her, not their instincts, thusly they will ignore any nuts thrown and obey their orders.

I see...but the way I understand it tthey do obey their instincts and at worst, they would still be distracted by the nuts therfore making it more difficult albeit not impossible for squirrel girl to control them.

And I was being sarcastic.

where do you think this is. Empire State University has a great deal of land scaping and greenery. what do you think lives there. this isn't in the city, its at ESU, and there are Squirrels living there, deal with it.

From the info I read ESU is in the City and I am not aware of such a layout. But if we are outside it is not an issue for me because Wind Girl is above the tree line and squirrel girl cannot reach her.

no, Squirrel-Girl is highly talented and has beat enemies far tougher, and far scarier than Wind Dancer.

Squirrel girl was some writer's sarcastic comment on the power writers had. And please refer to my comment above. If you do not know how she defeated the list of people she supposedly did then I say it did not happen.

Does a rock make a noise if nothing is there to hear it?

and on another note, if ANYONE could possibly have prior knowledge of the other's powers, it would be Doreen. she could easily get on to the X-Men's campus and chat with their squirrels about the students.

I have adressed that point above in the post just before this one.

 

[Zoken]

No it isn't. It is just a matter of creating criss crossing wind patterns which will always lead outward but would leave a vortex where nothing is happenning.

No, it is a large leap. please remember, that just because you can imagine it doesn't mean it's easy for a ROOKIE MUTANT to do. remember, she's not Storm, she doesn't have the years of experience.

A joke in most people's opinions not just mine. But I adress that above. I am just claiming that unless you can state how she defeated the characters she defeated you can not use those victories. I will give you Dr. Doom getting overwhelmed though even if all he had to do was a create an electrical discharge using his armour and it would have been fried squirrel.

I'm only going to address this once: Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean you can write off what has been stated IN CONTINUITY! she found ways to beat Dr. Doom, Thanos, MODOK, Terrax, Mandarin, and Giganto. She is clever enough to find a way to beat Wind Dancer, a ROOKIE x-wannabe




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see...but the way I understand it tthey do obey their instincts and at worst, they would still be distracted by the nuts therfore making it more difficult albeit not impossible for squirrel girl to control them.

And I was being sarcastic.

you "understand it" that way, because that's how you want it to be, NOT because it's the truth. Squirrels around Squirrel Girl are much smarter than normal, and with prolonged exposure seem to retain that intelligence.

From the info I read ESU is in the City and I am not aware of such a layout. But if we are outside it is not an issue for me because Wind Girl is above the tree line and squirrel girl cannot reach her.

from pictures in Slingers and Gravity we have seen ESU and it is well landscaped, even if it is in the city. besides, Squirrels don't live in JUST trees. they've been known to live on buildings and skyscrapers.

Squirrel girl was some writer's sarcastic comment on the power writers had. And please refer to my comment above. If you do not know how she defeated the list of people she supposedly did then I say it did not happen.

Does a rock make a noise if nothing is there to hear it?

again, this is you trying to deny what is already in continuity.


as to your contention that Wind Dancer would get above the treeline, then squirrel-girl would stay in the trees, hidden from Wind Dancer's view. she has been show to be an excellent leaper and highly agile. while Wind Dancer does have a dancer's agility, it is out done by Squirrel-Girl's super-human agility.

Squirrel-Girl wins.... DEAL WITH IT

 

[Ahura Mazda]

No, it is a large leap. please remember, that just because you can imagine it doesn't mean it's easy for a ROOKIE MUTANT to do. remember, she's not Storm, she doesn't have the years of experience.

It may not be easy but she could do it and therefore it is possible. That possibility would negate any tactic you had.

I'm only going to address this once: Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean you can write off what has been stated IN CONTINUITY! she found ways to beat Dr. Doom, Thanos, MODOK, Terrax, Mandarin, and Giganto. She is clever enough to find a way to beat Wind Dancer, a ROOKIE x-wannabe

Since you feel you have to keep insulting my character I will insult yours. Your Iron Man sidekick wannabe may have won but that was not my question to you.....the question was how did she win? You do not want to answer that question apparently.

I you "understand it" that way, because that's how you want it to be, NOT because it's the truth. Squirrels around Squirrel Girl are much smarter than normal, and with prolonged exposure seem to retain that intelligence.

Basically, you are stating to me that they are smart enough to overcome all their natural instincts......ok then please show me instances

from pictures in Slingers and Gravity we have seen ESU and it is well landscaped, even if it is in the city. besides, Squirrels don't live in JUST trees. they've been known to live on buildings and skyscrapers.

Fine I have no problem with that. Therefore you can assume that wind dancer is high up in the air above the range Squirrel Girl could jump or any of the other squirrels.

as to your contention that Wind Dancer would get above the treeline, then squirrel-girl would stay in the trees, hidden from Wind Dancer's view. she has been show to be an excellent leaper and highly agile. while Wind Dancer does have a dancer's agility, it is out done by Squirrel-Girl's super-human agility.

OK let me put it to you this way...sh is above the tree line sending gale force winds downwards causing all the trees to lose their leaves. Squirrel Girl will be affected by the winds and eventually will be knocked off the tree hard into the ground, knocking her out.

Squirrel Girl cannot fly...deal with it as you so much like to put it.

Wind Dancer wins

 

[Zoken]

It may not be easy but she could do it and therefore it is possible. That possibility would negate any tactic you had.

ONE: this isn't just based on what is possible with her powers, but also what she is capable of by her history. Spider-Man should beable to pull objects toward him, but he doesn't because he has never done that. same instance. and even if she could accomplish this, It doesn't negate as she would have to continually focus on keeping the vortex in place, meaning she would need Squirrel-Girl to atack her.

Since you feel you have to keep insulting my character I will insult yours. Your Iron Man sidekick wannabe may have won but that was not my question to you.....the question was how did she win? You do not want to answer that question apparently.

she won, more than likely, by out thinking them, and outmanuevering them, and acting differently than one would expect her to. we dont' know how she won, but we do know that she won. ACCEPT IT.

Basically, you are stating to me that they are smart enough to overcome all their natural instincts......ok then please show me instances

how about any number of times shes commanded them to do things that would endanger their lives? Attacking Doom, attacking Batroc's Brigade, etc.

Fine I have no problem with that. Therefore you can assume that wind dancer is high up in the air above the range Squirrel Girl could jump or any of the other squirrels.

if she's out of range for Squirrel Girl to jump to her, than she is out of range to effectively hit Squirrel-GIrl on the ground with sufficient winds. Aim and and power are the price of her protective distance.

OK let me put it to you this way...sh is above the tree line sending gale force winds downwards causing all the trees to lose their leaves. Squirrel Girl will be affected by the winds and eventually will be knocked off the tree hard into the ground, knocking her out.

do you honestly think knocking her hout of a tree will knock her out? She's SQUIRREL-Girl. She's arboreal. besides, if Wind Dancer is high enough to be out of range (which means not just above the trees but above the surrounding buildings) then she is out of range to send a sufficiently powerful gust of wind at Squirrel GIrl before she can dodge.

The "Wannabe" comment, may have been insulting, but the "ROOKIE" comment was not an insult. I was pointing out that Wind Dancer is not a trained X-Man, nor is she highly experienced with her powers. She would not be able to pull off the "Wind Vortex Shield" that you pulled out of parts unknown.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

ONE: this isn't just based on what is possible with her powers, but also what she is capable of by her history. Spider-Man should beable to pull objects toward him, but he doesn't because he has never done that. same instance. and even if she could accomplish this, It doesn't negate as she would have to continually focus on keeping the vortex in place, meaning she would need Squirrel-Girl to atack her.

If it is possible it wold make her impervious to attack. that is all I was talking about that possibility that she could do it.

she won, more than likely, by out thinking them, and outmanuevering them, and acting differently than one would expect her to. we dont' know how she won, but we do know that she won. ACCEPT IT.

Unless I can understand how or at least envisage the possibility, I do not just accept things. The guy who wrote those victories did it as an ongoing joke and that is hopw I take them....as a joke.

how about any number of times shes commanded them to do things that would endanger their lives? Attacking Doom, attacking Batroc's Brigade, etc.

First of all they could not see any danger so that is not something so fundamentally against their instincts. Ignoring food is.

if she's out of range for Squirrel Girl to jump to her, than she is out of range to effectively hit Squirrel-GIrl on the ground with sufficient winds. Aim and and power are the price of her protective distance.

This is where you are mistaken, once wind dnacer starts a wind it can gather force and take a life on its own. Therefore at some point the wind will get her. plus the way I see it squirrel girl will be balanced on branches therfore one well placed wind would make her fall to her demise.

do you honestly think knocking her hout of a tree will knock her out? She's SQUIRREL-Girl. She's arboreal. besides, if Wind Dancer is high enough to be out of range (which means not just above the trees but above the surrounding buildings) then she is out of range to send a sufficiently powerful gust of wind at Squirrel GIrl before she can dodge.

First of all, being arboreal does not make you immune to falling. So if she falls she would get seriously hurt.

Second of all, if you refer to my point above a wind can take a life of its own. Just to add a little bit to my argument here is aa quote froma Wiki profile of her

Three weeks later, in early January, she joined the school, but had difficulty fitting in. By her birthday in May, despite her best efforts, she still had no friends at the school, and her father didn't even know it was her birthday (unlike his butler Derek, the only person who had any time for her). After hearing someone say that no one liked her behind her back after lying that they were busy, she finally snapped. Going to one of her father's stores, she let loose a hurricane inside it, completely wrecking it

Therefore if she let loose a huricane type wind capable of destroying a store, squirrel girl perched on top of trees is going to be flung hard knocking her out.

The "Wannabe" comment, may have been insulting, but the "ROOKIE" comment was not an insult. I was pointing out that Wind Dancer is not a trained X-Man, nor is she highly experienced with her powers. She would not be able to pull off the "Wind Vortex Shield" that you pulled out of parts unknown.

Fine then we can stop the name calling. And the wind vortex shield is just the application of logic and nothing more. Anyone including a young girl could have figured it out but no matter whether she can or not pull it off.

 

[Phaedrus45]

This is where you lost me....Either we are having the battle inside in which case Wind Dancer would be opening the windows or it is outside where her powers are more effective.

By the way if they are outside I forgot to state that Wind Dancer would be using winds to keep her afloat above the tree line.

FYI, your battle can be anywhere on campus, whether inside or outside. You guys just have to convince the readers where you think they'd both end up fighting...or, have contingency plans for either.

Oh, and this debate has been a great read. I still haven't made up my mind, although I'm leaning toward one side. The visuals in my mind of how this would go are great.

 

[Zoken]

Squirrel-Girl could would be able to stalk her from the outside of buildings if she were inside, and from trees. she'd have the gift of surprise no matter what. Inside Wind Dancer is at a disadvantage. Outs side, at best, they are on equal footing.

 

[Hellstormer]

Well I guess I'm off the hook against Whirlwind meaning Moon KNight will be around for the next round

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Squirrel-Girl could would be able to stalk her from the outside of buildings if she were inside, and from trees. she'd have the gift of surprise no matter what. Inside Wind Dancer is at a disadvantage. Outs side, at best, they are on equal footing.

Lets just assume they are outside and she is flying and throwing hurricane type winds outwards.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Metalhead Vs Photon

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