Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[POWdER-man]

Spiral

 

[JewishHobbit]

Wallflower

I conceded... but I have to vote for her. She's my CoM II IT girl!

Rest in piece my little Wallflower

 

[Phaedrus45]

Spiral beats Wallflower 5-2

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 3:

Spiral (WIEGEABO) bio



vs.

Belasco (PHAEDRUS45) bio

BRACKET 4:

Super Skrull (PHAEDRUS45) bio

VS.

Pluto (AHURA MAZDA) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: PROVIDENCE (Not Populated)

Providence is a fictional island featured in comic books published by Marvel Comics. Providence, located somewhere in the of the South Pacific Ocean, is an artificial island comprised of parts from Cable’s old space station Greymalkin.

Since Providence is built out of a space station from the future, it has an abundance of advanced technology. Most of this technology Cable allows to be freely given out to the world.

• Teleportation Matrix – Providence is equipped with a teleportation matrix that responds to the verbal commands of both Cable and Deadpool. It allows them to be teleported anywhere on Earth, and was once modified to teleport between dimensions as well.

• Skimmer Jets – Self-subsisting, solar-powered vehicles used by Cable when he no longer had the ability to fly of his own accord.

• Fission Waste Processor – Used for processing waste, and presumably an energy supply, this device was shared with Tony Stark.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

BRACKET 4:

Super Skrull (PHAEDRUS45) bio

VS.

Pluto (AHURA MAZDA) bio

I have done some research on Pluto since his last encounter. Notably on how his powers work outside of his own realm.

Notably, in his second Thor appearance, he fought Thor in an alternate future on earth which is not in Hades, and he fought both him and Sif. Thor was able to survive but not defeat Pluto. Again they battled in Asgard when Pluto came to get Odin's body and he was in the process of defeating him (having used his touch to greatly weaken Thor making him unconscious) when the Norns shattered his axe using a spell from behind their well. Pluto still had the better of him until Odin awakenned, Hela having restored him and Pluto left.

In his first appearance, having tricked Hercules, Pluto was able to sheathe himself in mystic flame which made him impervious to harm. Thor was only able to save himself by controlling the weather and using Mjollnir to drain the mystic energies. he however was not able to defeat Pluto in hand to hand combat.

In both appearances Pluto had full access to his armies and was teleporting back and forth.

There is one bad appearance which I can only say was bad writing given it happenned in Hades and Ulik was bullying Pluto. Pluto did not do anything....I have no explanation for it except for very bad writing. Please note especially this appearance happenned in Hades where Pluto is supreme.


Now obviously Super Skrull is not Thor so this is not the same battle but let us look at this logically.

The Super Skrull is weaker. he is slightly above the thing when he first started out so at most he is a class 40. Pluto is class 70/75.

Pluto wields magic which Super Skrull has no defense for.

Pluto and Super Skrull can both become invisible, but this does not take into account one point. Pluto is a Death God and as such can see people's souls. He will see or sense the skrulls soul no matter what form he is in. Invisibilty will also not change this.

Pluto may also be faster given he has Olympian speed and I have seen nowhere stating the Super Skrull had super speed.

The Skrull's flames will do nothing to Pluto who is impervious to them especially wreathed as he will be in a mystical flame.

This will be a good battle and one where both combattants will be tested but Pluto will inexorably come out on top of this one.


Winner - Pluto

 

[Phaedrus45]

Spiral vs. Belasco:

This is probably my most confident match I have this week. Spiral is tough, but Belasco is in a different league from her. (Of course, we've had upsets before.)

Belasco's Bio:

Belasco is one of the most powerful sorcerers on Earth and possesses a wide knowledge of spells, allowing him to shoot mystical rays, control the minds of humans and animals, and transform himself and others, among other things.
He was also endowed by the Elder Gods with immortality and apparent invulnerability. The exception to this is his own sword, which was forged by the Elder Gods themselves. It was this which cut off his right arm under unrevealed circumstances.
He has also come to possess a wide knowledge of the advanced technology left by the Atlanteans in Pangea.
Additional skills: He is an exceptional swordsman and battle tactician and recently seen wielding a battle axe with great skill.

Spiral:

Spiral has powerful mystical abilities. With gestures or dance moves, she can teleport herself and numerous people across great distances. Teleportation and powerful spells require more complicated dance moves. Spiral's spellcasting powers can be triggered through small hand gestures of her many hands. Spiral often incorporates knives and swords into more complicated spells. Spiral can also disguise herself through her magic. Spiral can open gateways between dimensions and travel through time, though it has been implied that she sometimes requires Mojo's help to successfully teleport from one dimension to another.

Spiral's mind seems to be immune from possession.

As a result of being cybernetically enhanced on Mojo-world she has some limited level of superhuman strength.

Spiral is a highly skilled hand-to-hand combatant and sword fighter.

I want to first borrow something JewishHobbit said last time in regards to Spiral that I totally agree with:

Spiral doesn't mess with Mojo's tech. She teleports and does Mojo's bidding, but she hasn't ever been one to use the tech and there's no proof (that I'm aware of) that shows that she can even see 616. She can't use other people, so the regular programmers can't do it for her, and unless there's proof that she can use the equipment, it wouldn't even be accessable to her. It's like sayin Cannonball can use Cerebro. It's not something he'd normally use, and thus, the television tech isn't something Sprial would normally use.

Now, a few other things to point out from the Wiki site:

She can cast spells to stun, depower, or immobilize her superhuman opponents, as she did to depower and imprison the Avengers and West Coast Avengers once they were laying still long enough for the spells to catch them. However, her effectiveness is usually not as great and she has since been beaten by Longshot and other individuals, often through a knockout while she is overconfident or gloating over a victim.

also:

Mojo is a powerful enough mystic to control Spiral confidently, although she has also mocked and disobeyed him (most often under her breath).

These show two things: First, I definitely believe Belasco is a much better sorceror than anything Spiral can do. She sure won't be overconfident, but for more complicated spells, she must do much more complex dances. Second, Spiral can be controlled, as Mojo is able to do so. I would guess this comes down to Mojo being a mystic, and Belasco's powers could then work if he tries what Mojo has.

Both probably won't know about the other. Spiral might find out with the name, Belasco, that she's dealing with someone from the underworld. But, she wouldn't have information about him, I would guess with reasonable confidence.

Winner = Belasco

 

[Phaedrus45]

Super Skrull vs. Pluto:

Maybe third times the charm? Who knows; but, I think this is my best shot out of the three. Super Skrull how powers and abilities that Pluto won't be aware of. (Of course, Super Skrull probably won't know much about Pluto, either. But, Skrulls have been to earth, and maybe a very, very basic knowledge of the superpowered individuals and knowledge of Earthen things would be in the Skrull database. I'm not saying a bio on Pluto, but just a common knowledge about who Pluto is in regards to Olympic Myth.)

Everyone knows my stance on Pluto by now. He's very powerful, but I believe that power diminishes when he's on Earth, of which he is again. Let me show Super Skrull's powers again:

First, I'd like to point out an important factor about Skrulls:


Quote:
The Skrulls are known for their ability to shapeshift, and are able to assume virtually any form, be it organic (e.g., cows[20]) or inorganic (e.g., lamp[21]). As a result, the Skrulls excel at spying and infiltration. Skrulls are also able to use their shapeshifting abilities to form weapons (eg. blades and clubs) with parts of their bodies, making them dangerous hand-to-hand combatants.
Of course, as we all know, Super Skrull's abilities are far beyond this. See below:


Quote:
The Super-Skrull has a version of the Fantastic Four's superhuman abilities at the levels the team possessed when they began their careers. If the current Skrull ruler permits, a satellite can send an augmentation beam that ampliflies the Super-Skrull's abilities beyond the Fantastic Four's current levels. Kl'rt also possesses the Skrull's innate racial ability to shape-shift and the unique power of hypnosis. He is also an excellent hand-to-hand combatant and was extensively trained in warfare by the Skrull Empire. The Super-Skrull also has knowledge of and access to technology centuries ahead of conventional Earth science.
Finally:


Quote:
Kl'rt's power levels, however, exceeded the originals - he was stronger than Ben Grimm; had superior flight and greater pyrokinetic ability than the Human Torch; exercised better control of invisibility and telekinesis than Susan Richards; and maintained an ability to stretch beyond that of Mr. Fantastic. The newly-named "Super-Skrull" also retained his innate Skrullian shapeshifting abilities and strong hypnotic skills.

I like the powers of the Fantastic Four against the Earthly powers of Pluto. Pluto won't expect it, and Super Skrull can definitely get the element of surprise by taking form of just about anything aboard Providence. Once this battle starts, Providence will take quite a beating...and, it's going to be knockdown, dragged out. In fact, Pluto won't even know about Skrull hypnosis, which might be Super Skrull's best ability. I know this hypnosis thing sucks; but, if it's a power available and the other doesn't know about it, it still works to my character's advantage.

Winner = Super Skrull

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Super Skrull vs. Pluto - Rebuttal

Maybe third times the charm? Who knows; but, I think this is my best shot out of the three. Super Skrull how powers and abilities that Pluto won't be aware of. (Of course, Super Skrull probably won't know much about Pluto, either. But, Skrulls have been to earth, and maybe a very, very basic knowledge of the superpowered individuals and knowledge of Earthen things would be in the Skrull database. I'm not saying a bio on Pluto, but just a common knowledge about who Pluto is in regards to Olympic Myth.)

I will agree that he may learn of Pluto from the Roman myths which would tell him he is the brother of Zeus, husband of Persephone and the master of Hades, but it is doubtful.

Everyone knows my stance on Pluto by now. He's very powerful, but I believe that power diminishes when he's on Earth, of which he is again. Let me show Super Skrull's powers again:

I think pretty much our only point of debate is how powerful Pluto is on Earth. The examples I posted is after having read the appropriate Thor comics which I have a complete collection of digitally (it sucks though I canot seem to post an image from them ), and he looked plenty powerful. He was on the brink of defeating Thor who is hands down more powerful then the Super Skrull. And one of the things that even saved Thor, in the first battle was using Mjollnir's energy absorbing and his weather creating talents. In another battle, the Norns saved him from certain death (Pluto looked different in that battle for some reason). Neither of these battles happenned in Hades.

Another thing to note is one of Pluto's powers which is the weakening touch power. this was enough to put Thor down at the mercy of Pluto in the second appearance. The Super Skrull who loves to use his stretching powers will most probably touch Pluto who could basically drain the Super Skrull of his energy and render him unconscious. This is a probable scenario for someone who does not know Pluto and whose flames and super strength are useless against (Pluto is stronger and is impervious to flames when encased in his mystical flame).

I like the powers of the Fantastic Four against the Earthly powers of Pluto. Pluto won't expect it, and Super Skrull can definitely get the element of surprise by taking form of just about anything aboard Providence. Once this battle starts, Providence will take quite a beating...and, it's going to be knockdown, dragged out. In fact, Pluto won't even know about Skrull hypnosis, which might be Super Skrull's best ability. I know this hypnosis thing sucks; but, if it's a power available and the other doesn't know about it, it still works to my character's advantage.

The thing is Super Skrull tends to grab a guy using his stretching powers forcing them to look in his eyes to be hypnotised. thor was knocked out in one panel when he touched Pluto. So if Super Skrull tries that, he loses. The other thing it is doubtful that his hypnosis powers would work on an elder Olympian God.

I at first, not having done the research was worried about Phaed's arguments but having looked through the Thor comics, strangely enough, the place he seemed the weakest was in Hades itself (I still think that was very bad writing.) On Earth and in Asgard, Pluto was more then a match for Thor himself.

Winner = Pluto

 

[Phaedrus45]

Super Skrull vs. Pluto - Rebuttal

Another thing to note is one of Pluto's powers which is the weakening touch power. this was enough to put Thor down at the mercy of Pluto in the second appearance. The Super Skrull who loves to use his stretching powers will most probably touch Pluto who could basically drain the Super Skrull of his energy and render him unconscious. This is a probable scenario for someone who does not know Pluto and whose flames and super strength are useless against (Pluto is stronger and is impervious to flames when encased in his mystical flame).

Super Skrull loves all his powers. And, when he uses his stretching power, he generally knows the type of fighter he's against. It would be idiotic to get in close at the start of a fight, especially if you don't know your opponent. Plus, as to being encased in his mystical flame, that would be more likely if he knew who he was fighting. So, there is a very good possibility he wouldn't know to use his "mystical flame" in the battle.

As I explain above, the viewpoint of this battle has to be on how each acts not knowing the other's full powers. Even Pluto wouldn't take a direct approach until he gets a feel for the character he's fighting.

The thing is Super Skrull tends to grab a guy using his stretching powers forcing them to look in his eyes to be hypnotised. thor was knocked out in one panel when he touched Pluto. So if Super Skrull tries that, he loses. The other thing it is doubtful that his hypnosis powers would work on an elder Olympian God.

Again, this would be idiotic to do. You do not go for a move that involves close contact with an initial battle when you don't know what type of character you're fighting. The only time is if you have studied your opponent and know it's one of the best strategies around.

I at first, not having done the research was worried about Phaed's arguments but having looked through the Thor comics, strangely enough, the place he seemed the weakest was in Hades itself (I still think that was very bad writing.) On Earth and in Asgard, Pluto was more then a match for Thor himself.

I'll probably skim those issues again at home when I get there, but there are things that are important factors. Pluto knew who he was fighting. Pluto had minions with him aiding him. That battle and this are not the same. Plus, I've never said Pluto is weak on Earth, just that he's not nearly as powerful as he is in Hades. I'm not going to redo all that stuff again. I know the people who vote have had to look at it twice.

Winner = Super Skrull

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Super Skrull vs. Pluto - Rebuttal

Super Skrull loves all his powers. And, when he uses his stretching power, he generally knows the type of fighter he's against. It would be idiotic to get in close at the start of a fight, especially if you don't know your opponent. Plus, as to being encased in his mystical flame, that would be more likely if he knew who he was fighting. So, there is a very good possibility he wouldn't know to use his "mystical flame" in the battle.

I apologise because you misunderstood me and I was not very clear. I realise his first step will not be too grab Pluto and try to hypnotise him. i just think at one point he will.

The way the Super Skrull tends to fight is by first using his flame powers. However, given he will realise none of these are effective against pluto and that physically he is inferiour in strength, he will eventually try and use his stretching powers to then hypnotise Pluto. i am basing this on a battle he had against thor where exactly the same thing happenned. Thor won using mjollnir and Pluto would use his weakenning touch to put Super Skrull out.

As I explain above, the viewpoint of this battle has to be on how each acts not knowing the other's full powers. Even Pluto wouldn't take a direct approach until he gets a feel for the character he's fighting.

Again, I apologise for not having been clear the first time. There is just nothing the Super Skrull can do to even harm Pluto and I don't seem him not resorting to using his stretching powers to grab and hold.

Again, this would be idiotic to do. You do not go for a move that involves close contact with an initial battle when you don't know what type of character you're fighting. The only time is if you have studied your opponent and know it's one of the best strategies around.

Again that would not be so idiotic if everything else fails you and you are in the midst of melee combat. I will just say in conclusion, I see the batling ending up this way not starting out this way.

I'll probably skim those issues again at home when I get there, but there are things that are important factors. Pluto knew who he was fighting. Pluto had minions with him aiding him. That battle and this are not the same. Plus, I've never said Pluto is weak on Earth, just that he's not nearly as powerful as he is in Hades. I'm not going to redo all that stuff again. I know the people who vote have had to look at it twice.

I am glad you will read them. they are actually not too bad even though I did not like the look of Pluto in his 2nd appearance.

And I understand what you said but that I just think he is more powerful then the base things I stated, given all his physical powers are physiological and not magic based. And his other powers seemes to be very effective when not in Hades.

And by the way, when he was battling Thor, his minions were not helping because Thor dd away with them. It always ended up as a one on one except when Sif attempted to help Pluto.

Winner = Pluto

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, I didn't get a chance last night to go through those appearances; I was interested in doing so since you mentioned the first one was in an alternate world or something; but, I'm going to let the further rebuttal go. This is a good match-up, and probably my best chance thus far with all my characters who've gone up against Pluto.

 

[wiegeabo]

Spiral vs Belasco

This is a very interesting matchup. On one hand is a very powerful magic user who is skilled with a sword and nearly invulnerable. On the other is a powerful magic user who is skilled with swords.

Location and prep-time probably won't matter.

Now, Belasco is nearly invulnerable. But, invulnerability does not equate with victory. Plenty of indestructible beings get beaten all the time. (Well, not all the time, but enough times.) So, while he can take a beating, it doesn't mean Belasco can't be stopped.

Spiral may not be as powerful as Belasco, but she makes up for it in sheer speed. With just gestures, Spiral can do so many things like basic teleportation, taking away powers, energy blasts, turn her self invisible. Granted, more powerful or complicated spells require longer dances. But with a simple dance, Spiral can throw a variety of attacks Belasco's way. Belasco's been held back by weaker magic users before, and Spiral can do an even better job.

Spiral can hit Belasco with a number of spells that may take him out of the fight (like teleport him away, steal his power,...). To stay in the fight, Belasco will have to defend himself from these. And while he's doing that, Spiral is dancing and weaving larger spells. Perhaps she'll open a portal that will suck him in and send him to another dimension.

Not knowing Belasco is invulnerable, and seeing he has a sword, she may just use her spells to get in close and fight blade for blades. (I don't think she would, but I'll address it anyway.) In this situation, a pure sword fight, despite his vast experience, Spiral can take it. She is supremely skilled herself. And she's a six-armed six-bladed(cybernetically enhanced) sword wielder against a one-armed, single-bladed opponent. It's almost certain she land some blows. When she sees they have no effect, she goes back to spells. If she disarms him, she might just use his own sword against him to add more humiliation (which happens to be the most effective thing she can do). I don't think it will come to a sword fight, but if it did, Spiral can win it.


Regardless of tactic, the key here is for Spiral to keep on the offensive, which really isn't out of character. If Belasco is busy defending himself, he's not busy attacking Spiral. This gives her the time she needs to do whatever she has to do.


Spiral wins

 

[Phaedrus45]

Cool, I was hoping you could get a debate in quickly. I won't rebutt, but start voting now.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ha! Couldn't be an easier thread for me to read.

*Belasco

*Super Skrull

(Crap, I just realized there is a possibility I'll have to take on Pluto for a fourth time in SS doesn't survive.)

 

[wiegeabo]

Spiral
Pluto (hypnotism could work. But I'm not sure if Super Skrull would get the chance)

 

[Darren Daring]

Belasco
Pluto

 

[POWdER-man]

Belasco
Pluto

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Belasco
Pluto

 

[Harlekin]

Spiral
Pluto

 

[kytrigger]

Pluto

Belasco

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Belasco currently beating Spiral 5-2

Pluto currently beating Super Skrull 6-1

 

[Midnight Ice]

Super Skrull
Belasco

 

[JewishHobbit]

Belasco
Super Skrull