Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[DarkHellRider]

HUSK (AoA) Vs GHOST RIDER

Powers




Both characters are almost completely resistant to physical blows (in ghost rider / mutated form) so a physical fight will not get anywhere fast. GR has the advantage with some additional methods of attack - the use of his Hellfire and the penance stare.

Location
The Baxter building provides numerous hiding places for Paige. By converting her skin to resemble the walls of the building she can camouflage herself to avoid detection if GR is ever in the immediate area until he leaves. She will know that her best bet is to use stealth and avoid confrontation while looking for anything that can help her such as Reed's gadgets & weaponry (Ultimate Nullifier would come in handy ). Husk will not attempt any aggressive maneuvers until she is attacked so GR will be taken out or at least hampered severely by the security systems. The building is likely to have some king of defence against GR's Hellfire and a depowering facility somewhere within its security system when it detects the presence of an unknown demonic entity and this is likely to force GR to revert to human form at some point and become vulnerable. If these measures weren't included in the security systems, even the FF would be unable to defend their home from any similar demonic characters.

Prep time
Ghost Rider will be unable to find anything on Husk being from the AoA. However, information on Ghost Rider will be available for her to use. She will know that although she is resistant to most of his attacks (aside from Hellfire or penance stare) she has to either find a way to force him back to his human form where he is vulnerable or use special weapons on him.

CONCLUSION
Husk needs to use stealth to stay out the way of GR's Hellfire until she can find a way (or is helped out by the security systems) to finish him or get him into human form if she is to win this fight.

HIding would not Really help her if ghost rider is near bye he has the ability to sense evil since she has killes people and had evil intent in the futur towards the x-men he could easily sense her then its all about wrapping her tight with the magical chain which can not be destroyed and sear her soul with the peneance stare.

Also when it comes to the security system even if in a amll hallway or room ghost rider can still use his bike to be fast enoguh to avoid being distracted byt the security system.

 

[Iceman]

HIding would not Really help her if ghost rider is near bye he has the ability to sense evil since she has killes people and had evil intent in the futur towards the x-men he could easily sense her then its all about wrapping her tight with the magical chain which can not be destroyed and sear her soul with the peneance stare.

Also when it comes to the security system even if in a amll hallway or room ghost rider can still use his bike to be fast enoguh to avoid being distracted byt the security system.

Good point on the close range hiding. I'll concede that. If Paige is to use stealth she needs to keep this in mind (which she should be aware of from the information she has obtained) and keep moving until she is ready to take him on.

As for use of the bike inside the building, it doesn't seem at all practical and more importantly the security systems aren't merely doors that close quickly (a bike might be useful if they were) but some of the most advanced defences against all kinds of creatures including aliens from the genius mind of Reed Richards. As long as Paige keeps moving she is a lot more likely to avoid being incapacitated by the security systems with her subtlety, than a demonic creature on a flaming motorbike.

 

[DarkHellRider]

ok true the bike is a little inpractical. But any security system he would come up agaist he could esaily destroy it with hellfire or pretect himslf with his chains. unless like you said there is a poewr nullifier which is unlikey to work since ghost rider is neither a mutant or a superhuman. He is a a demon so unless reed has a demonic nullifier true he is smart but I can think that reed would realize that a demon of the ghost rider persona to be walking around in his building. so all in all ghost rider could take this,

Winner= Ghost rider

 

[Iceman]

REBUTTAL: HUSK (AoA) Vs GHOST RIDER

ok true the bike is a little inpractical. But any security system he would come up agaist he could esaily destroy it with hellfire or pretect himslf with his chains. unless like you said there is a poewr nullifier which is unlikey to work since ghost rider is neither a mutant or a superhuman. He is a a demon so unless reed has a demonic nullifier true he is smart but I can think that reed would realize that a demon of the ghost rider persona to be walking around in his building. so all in all ghost rider could take this,

Winner= Ghost rider

The FF have faced demons such as Shuma-Gorath in the past and should therefore have some form of defence against demonic entities built into their security system (especially against those with a human host). If anyone has the resources and brains to come up with this it is Reed Richards. Paige just needs to evade GR for long enough for him to fall victim to it.

Any other location and Ghost Rider would take this.

WINNER = HUSK (AoA)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[hippy fascist]

Unus (Can't be hurt)
Ghost Rider (Anti-demon defences are HIGHLY unlikely)
Shard (You debate you win)
Mac Hudson (Overpowered)

 

[kytrigger]

Unus- tough match to call, but his forcefield is just too tough IMO
Ghost Rider- good debate, but GR is too powerful
Shard
Guardian

 

[wiegeabo]

Unus
Ghost Rider
Shard (Darn shame if Cap can't make it passed the first round)
Guardian

 

[Iceman]

Shard - Even though there was no debate for Cap I wasn't going to let him get voted out without a decent debate for Shard. Luckily there was one.
Unus
Guardian
Husk (AoA)

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Unus - (This really is a match that should be a draw. But, we have to pick someone.)

*Ghost Rider

*Captain America - (Rare that I go against the "you debate, you win" theory...but, Cap has been to the Baxter Building so many times, has SHIELD clearance, and would know something about Shard, since she was here long enough, IMO. I really don't believe Shard would survive this.)

*Guardian - (Too bad...in this case, Midnight probably only had to put up a debate to win.)

 

[Zoken]

Unus
Ghost Rider
Shard
Guardian.

 

[Hellstormer]

Unus

Ghost Rider

Shard

Guardian

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Unus the Untouchable currently beating Super Sabre 7-0
Ghost Rider-Johnny currently beating Husk-AoA 6-1
Shard currently beating Captain America 6-1
Guardian currently beating Spider-Woman 7-0

 

[JewishHobbit]

Super Sabre (I'm really surprised by this )
Ghost Rider (Johnny)
Shard
Guardian

 

[DarkHellRider]

Supersabre
Captain America
Ghost Rider- tough debate this week one of the toughest
Guardian

 

[primemover]

Unus
Ghost Rider
Shard
Guardian

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Unus the Untouchable currently beating Super Sabre 8-2
Ghost Rider-Johnny currently beating Husk-AoA 9-1
Shard currently beating Captain America 8-2
Guardian currently beating Spider-Woman 10-0

 

[Harlekin]

Super-Sabre
Ghost Rider
Shard
Guardian

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Unus - impenetrable force field
Ghost Rider
Shard - against logic
Guardian

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Unus the Untouchable beat Super Sabre 9-3
Ghost Rider-Johnny beat Husk-AoA 11-1
Shard beat Captain America 10-2
Guardian beat Spider-Woman 12-0

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 27:

Banshee (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

vs.

Constrictor (WIEGEABO) bio

Match 28:

Hannibal King (HELLSTORMER) bio

vs.

Thunderball (POWDERMAN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 27:

Scarlet Witch (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Karolina Dean (DARTHPHERE) bio

Match 28:

Baron Karza (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio



vs.

King Cobra (POWDERMAN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location: Spartak (Inside the Microverse)

Here is a description of the area and a link to a website about it:

http://beyondheroes2.tripod.com/spartak.htm

In the dim past a race of farmers were driven from their homeworld, wandering as fugitives for hundreds of years as exiles among the stars. Finally they found the harsh forbidding sentient world of stone which invited them to settle. In time its harshness bred the fiercest warriors of the Microverse. Each generation the Worldmind, the very soul of the planet sends a herald comet to designate a new king of the Acroyears. The Worldmind willingly allowed itself to be sacrificed in Karza's defeat as it felt the Acroyears had become too harsh a race.

Orbit/Climate: Extremely erratic, retrograde, elliptical orbit, unpredictable, harsh and violent temperature changes.
Atmosphere: Standard glacial Oxygen/Nitrogen with minimal Carbon dioxide and high ozone.
Oceans: Solid land with no surface water/liquid.
Gravity: 100%

 

[Hellstormer]

Match 28:

Hannibal King (HELLSTORMER) bio

vs.

Thunderball (POWDERMAN) bio

Ok Powderman's not here so my debate won't be remarkable but I like Hannibal King and I won't loose him.

So information wise Hannibal King may be able to get scraps form his "sources", but Thunderball, even with the genius level intellect, won't be able to get anything because of Hannibal secretive nature.

Power wise Thunderball really has nothing that will devastate Hannibal. In fact they have the same powers but HK's got more. They both have superstrength and HK's pretty smart, Thunderball may have that over him, but HK can also regenerate, fly, turn into a werewolf, or mist. Face it Thunder's toast.

Winner=Hannibal King

 

[Ahura Mazda]

BRACKET 2,

Match 27:

Scarlet Witch (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Karolina Dean (DARTHPHERE) bio

The first thing to get out of the way is the Scarlet Witches' powers.

Scarlet Witch in action, employing magic to augment her mutant hex, art by George Perez and Sam Grainger.Her hexes have a wide, almost limitless variety of recorded and possible effects, though they often boil down to a kind of Deus Ex Machina superpower.

• They have been known to alter the molecular composition and physical state of physical objects, negate or distort physical laws, and to cause various forms of energy to spontaneously appear or disappear.
• She has an affinity with natural elements and phenomena, stemming largely from her magical training under Agatha Harkness, and
• has trained often at using her hexes to deflect projectiles or to cause

enemies to stumble or otherwise suffer the effects of "bad luck".

I am not quite clear on the extent of her powers for this match but before the retconn where she was gioven reality powers enough to change the earth she had been powerful enough to resurrect Wonder Man.

Karolina Dean is an alien lesbian who can manipulate solar energy creating shields and producing kinetic energy. This is all very good but will not serve her at all for she has no protection against the magic that the Scarlet Witch yields.

With regard to prep time, the Scarlet Witch could use her Avenger resources (this is pre-Bendis retconn and if it is not then I have a whole another strategy which involves deleting all of dean's powers ) to find some information on on the battle grounds but she will have none on Dean.

In this situation, as soon as the Scarlet Witch sees Karolina, she can have her swatted out of the air, hit her head on the ground, change her organically (even though I doubt she would do that), cause one of her bolts to backfire knocking herself out....basically a million different things that Wanda can do from which Karolina has no defence.

Just to push the point further, Wanda is also a trainned fighter who has very strong hand to hand fighting skills and is used to doing battle on a cosmic scale.

Winner - Wanda the Scarlet Witch