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LL is cool as hell, but he is outmatched here.
Excellent match-up IMO between two pretty powerful super-heroes.
I'll just point out that Ronan is one of the best tactical minds in the MU. He has outsmarted Reed richards and even beaten Blackbolt on his smarts alone so unlike most strong physical characters (I'm looking at you Hulk and almost every Thor villain) he isn't stupid enough to wander into a stream.Ok, I originally had no idea that Ronan could change Living Lightning from his energy form back to his human form. That will obviously make this fight very hard or darn near impossible for him to win. I would say that his best chance against Ronan is for Living Lightning to lure him to a nearby stream and once Ronan gets wet or in it, Living Lightning could electricute him, at least knocking him out.
Winner:Living Lightning
Whiel I hate quoteing myself, I figured this was easier than retyping it into a closing argument.Before I start, I want to let you know that once again, I will be unable to debate Monday evening and Tuesday. I'll try to get everything wrapped up before then, but if not, I'll just post my closing arguments on monday and hope for the best.
Excellent match-up IMO between two pretty powerful super-heroes.
First let's get powers out of the way. M has quite a few powers. Superstrength, flight, super-durability, speed, and can percieve mutants' auras. Now I will oinbt out that Marvel directory has her strength level in teh 10 ton category. I will admit she has shwon more strength than this, but she isn't anywhere near Thor's strength level or anything. IMO I would say she's around the 25 ton range.
Now, whiel M has a number of powers, so does Iron Lad. His armor is basically a futuristic armor given to him by Kang. It has superstrength, speed, flight, can shoot magnetic beams (as well as a few other types of beams). and time travel. Now, the armor itself has shown other abilities as well. It can change density and change shape. Whiel these last two were technically the new Vision in Young Avengers, it is still the exact same armor that Iron Lad used.
Now that we know they both have a rather large set of powers, let's get into prep-time. M will most likely have no idea who Iron Lad is. He wasn't around very long at all. Now, on the other hand, Iron Lad downloaded the entire database of the original Vision which are most likely, the entire Avenger's database. From this he could easily see who Monet is and find out about her powers and know what to expect.
As for teh location, neither would really know about it, and it wouldn't really matter since it's just a forest.
Now on to the battle! Iron Lad might not have that much experience, but he has shown to be plenty smart both in a fight and out of one. He is the one that traveled back in time and formed the Young Avengers, and he was basically their leader for the short time he was around. Hell, as a rookie, he even killed Kang, knowing that he was killing himself essentially. Basically, the kid has balls.
He'll know that M is strong and her most deadly weapon is her strength. He'll test her. If he doesn't think he can hang with her in hand to hand combat, thenhe'll step back and start taking her on from farther away. He can use his energy beams and then slink off into the forest. M has super vision, but it can't see through the trees like X-Ray vision, and since Iron Lad's not a mutant, she can't sense his aura. Iron Lad has also shown no remorse in attacking an enemy from behind (like he did to Kang).
Now, if M does get in close, his suit is plenty capable of going toe-to-toe with her (although I will admit she is probably a better hand-to-hand fighter than him). A worst case scenario is that he could definately fight her in closer combat long enough to use his negative point beam (or whatver it's called) to trap her in place. Remember his armor is from the future. And not like a crappy 15 years in teh future, but the 31st century. That's a damn long time and technology is sure as hell a lot better then than in M's timeline.
This would be a long battle. Both are about even in their powers and neither give up easily. It might actually come down to whether or not the other is willing to kill to win. I'm not sure if Monet is willing to kill, but Iron Lad has killed his older self by stabbing him in the back. If it came down to it, he would kill M as well.
Winner- Iron Lad
t:Brainchild is extremely smart and is the brains behind any Savage Land operation. His head is disproportionately large to accomodate the extra gray matter, and his body is disproportionately small and weak. Crafty and clever, he should never be underestimated. He has a penchant for genetic tweaking, which he may also used on himself, possibly giving him some telepathic/possession powers.
Doctor Octopus has been hinted as being a low-level technopathic mutant, but no superpowers have been outrightly revealed. He is a bona fide genius in the fields of atomic physics, in which he holds a Ph. D in robotics.
His harness is attached to four mentally controlled, prehensile metallic appendages. These arms are capable of lifting several tons, provided that at least one arm is used to support his body. The reaction time and agility of his mechanical appendages is enhanced far beyond the range attainable for normal human musculature. The arms allow Octavius to move rapidly over any terrain and to scale vertical surfaces and ceilings. He has developed his concentration and control to the point that he can engage a single opponent, like Spider-Man, or multiple opponents with the arms while performing a completely separate, more delicate task, such as holding a cigarette or constructing a machine.
Prep TimeWhile wearing the harness, the arms are powerful enough to allow him to walk up sheer concrete walls and move quickly about. They are also used to grab items, both small and large, and as literal weapons in terms of being swung at objects and people like clubs.
Agreed on both counts. Ock will find it difficult to find info on Brainchild while residents of the Savage Land have no need or interest in keeping info on Spidey villains.I don't think either would get information on the other. Although it's slightly more likely for Brainchild to find something on the more publicly known Doc Ock, he'd probably only have access to his Savage Land resources. So finding something on Ock isn't probable.
This seems like a very vague strategy. I'm not sure how he plans to alter Doc's DNA and how this will harm him but I'll give it a shot anyway. Ock will expect someone called Brainchild to be dependant on using brains in the fight. With his huge speed advantage he will be the one to choose when the close range fight begins (he will be protected by cover of the tress until this point) and will expect that the brain creature will bring some toys to the fight. Whatever machine he builds, Brainchild himself ( with his slow reflexes) needs to be quick enough to nail the fast moving and super agile Doc with it before he reaches him.But, because he can use his Savage Land resources, Brainchild can have access, or develop, a number of weapons to use against Ock as well as bring along forcefields to protect his body. And with his experience manipulating genetic codes, Branchild could just create a device that alters human/mutant DNA (while leaving his own intact). The effects of the manipulation aren't important as long as they take Ock out of the fight.



Protecting his mind will be the first thing that Ock prepares for when he reads the name "Brainchild".Brainchild also has the ability to possess others. No doubt Doctor Octopus would be able to develop a device to protect his mind, but he has no reason too. It's not something he normally has, and without knowing anything about Brainchild, he wouldn't protect himself that way. So Brainchild can stop the fight by just preventing Doc Ock from fighting.
He doesn't take on opponents in one on one fights unlike Ock (who would be very difficult to defeat even without the benefit of prep time). Unfortunately Ock is also a genius and this counteracts Brainchild's only advantage.This is a battle between two geniuses. But Brainchild is far smarter than Ock, and has access to superior technology. This battle shouldn't be too difficult for one so intelligent.
Nathaniel's Iron Lad armor is composed of neuro-kinetic bio-metal, and he could alter its appearance and shape with his thoughts. The armor enabled Iron Lad to have superhuman strength and allows him to fly. It also enabled him to fire blasts of various kinds of energy, and even time-travel. Nathaniel's psychic link with his armor enabled him to mentally remote-control the Iron Lad armor from a distance.
Known Powers: M is superhuman in essentially all aspects.Known Abilities: formidable hand-to-hand combat knowledge.
- Superhuman Strength: Able to lift up to 50 tons.
- Superhuman Intellect: M's intelligence is beyond genius level
- Invulnerability: Highly resistant to injuries.
- Healing Factor: M possesses a regenerative quality allowing her to heal and recover from wounds. The effect also has the added benefit of making her more resistant to toxins and disease, and possibly the aging process.
- Enhanced Senses: M possesses telescopic and night vision and more acute hearing. It is possible her other senses are enhanced also.
- Enhanced Agility: her agility is greatly enhanced, far more than peak human.
- Superhuman Speed and Reflexes: her speed and reflexes are greatly enhanced, far more than a peak human.
- Flight: ability to psionically levitate and move herself in the air by force of will.
- Telepathy: ability to read minds, project her thoughts into the minds of others, and defensively mask her mind against telepathic intrusion. Limited offensive capabilities, e.g. mind control, memory wipe, etc.

Yeah, shame we couldn't debate this one. I'll contest a couple of points I disagree with, otherwise I agree on most of what you've said.Before I start, I want to let you know that once again, I will be unable to debate Monday evening and Tuesday. I'll try to get everything wrapped up before then, but if not, I'll just post my closing arguments on monday and hope for the best.
Excellent match-up IMO between two pretty powerful super-heroes.
I've been checking different sites and it varies quite a bit between 10 and 50. If anyone knows the correct figure feel free to chime in.First let's get powers out of the way. M has quite a few powers. Superstrength, flight, super-durability, speed, and can percieve mutants' auras. Now I will oinbt out that Marvel directory has her strength level in teh 10 ton category. I will admit she has shwon more strength than this, but she isn't anywhere near Thor's strength level or anything. IMO I would say she's around the 25 ton range.
His armour is very useful.Now, whiel M has a number of powers, so does Iron Lad. His armor is basically a futuristic armor given to him by Kang. It has superstrength, speed, flight, can shoot magnetic beams (as well as a few other types of beams). and time travel. Now, the armor itself has shown other abilities as well. It can change density and change shape. Whiel these last two were technically the new Vision in Young Avengers, it is still the exact same armor that Iron Lad used.
Possible strategy. I'm not sure whether Vision would have the entire database downloaded but it's possible. M should be able to find out Iron Lad's basic powers (if she doesn't already know) from X-Factor connections or general media although no techinical info.Now that we know they both have a rather large set of powers, let's get into prep-time. M will most likely have no idea who Iron Lad is. He wasn't around very long at all. Now, on the other hand, Iron Lad downloaded the entire database of the original Vision which are most likely, the entire Avenger's database. From this he could easily see who Monet is and find out about her powers and know what to expect.
Yeah.As for teh location, neither would really know about it, and it wouldn't really matter since it's just a forest.
Balls he has.Now on to the battle! Iron Lad might not have that much experience, but he has shown to be plenty smart both in a fight and out of one. He is the one that traveled back in time and formed the Young Avengers, and he was basically their leader for the short time he was around. Hell, as a rookie, he even killed Kang, knowing that he was killing himself essentially. Basically, the kid has balls.
M is a very well rounded character with a hell of a lot more going for her than strength. Telepathy means she'll know where he is at all times as he'll leave a psychic footprint. I doubt he'd be able to stay hidden effectively from a flying opponent anyway as his bright red armour doesn't exactly double as useful camo gear.He'll know that M is strong and her most deadly weapon is her strength. He'll test her. If he doesn't think he can hang with her in hand to hand combat, thenhe'll step back and start taking her on from farther away. He can use his energy beams and then slink off into the forest. M has super vision, but it can't see through the trees like X-Ray vision, and since Iron Lad's not a mutant, she can't sense his aura. Iron Lad has also shown no remorse in attacking an enemy from behind (like he did to Kang).
M is actually very useful in close combat and has had intensive training in this particular form of fighting. I don't think this would be an advisable strategy for Iron Lad.Now, if M does get in close, his suit is plenty capable of going toe-to-toe with her (although I will admit she is probably a better hand-to-hand fighter than him). A worst case scenario is that he could definately fight her in closer combat long enough to use his negative point beam (or whatver it's called) to trap her in place. Remember his armor is from the future. And not like a crappy 15 years in teh future, but the 31st century. That's a damn long time and technology is sure as hell a lot better then than in M's timeline.
Killing his older self is not really the same as killing someone he doesn't know. I don't personally think this fight needs to end in the death of either character. Incapacitation is more likely given their levels of resistance.This would be a long battle. Both are about even in their powers and neither give up easily. It might actually come down to whether or not the other is willing to kill to win. I'm not sure if Monet is willing to kill, but Iron Lad has killed his older self by stabbing him in the back. If it came down to it, he would kill M as well.
Not at first but as the battle wears on (pretty much evenly) she will look to different means to gain an advantage.Whiel I hate quoteing myself, I figured this was easier than retyping it into a closing argument.
I'd also like to add that even though M is said to have some telepathic abilities, she rarely ever uses them offensively and is unlikely to do so in this battle.
Also, during extreme moments of stress, Monet has shown to mentally revert to an autistic child. While this doesn't happen too often, if she is under too much stress (form the badass battle she is fighting) this could happen. While it woudl be rare, if it does, she is basically scewed.

The dirty tricks begin!So basically this battle comes down to Iron Lad who is a mixture of Krang and Iron Man vs. M
Think about it...
X + X
VS
M
I think it's obvious who would win in a fightt:
t:Alias: Iron Lad
Purpose: To pleasure Iron Man
Fan quote:He's like Iron Man, 'cept he's not really a man
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