Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 5:

Frankie Raye (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Joseph (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

Match 6:

Bloodaxe (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Cable - Telepath (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier

The Helicarrier, an aircraft carrier specifically designed to be itself capable of independent powered flight in addition to the conventional functions of aircraft carriers, is the signature capital ship of the fictional intelligence/defence agency S.H.I.E.L.D.

(Everyone will start on either side of the Helicarrier bridge, and you have to stay within a mile of the carrier. It's very likely with some battles the carrier might crash; if it does, let's figure it crashes in farmland in Kansas somewhere. That way, there really isn't that many people the participants can come across on the ground. Of course, the helicarrier needs people to fly the carrier; but, they will not engage in battle unless they are engaged.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Frankie Raye vs. Joseph:

Luckily for me else in regards to this location, Joseph is fighting Frankie Raye and not one of my more stationary characters. First, the bios:

Frankie Raye:

Powers Nova could manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire, surrounding herself in a flaming aura. Her portion of the power cosmic allowed her to manipulate all forms of energy, fly at warp speed, and survive in outer space.


Also to note:

Strength Level: Nova can lift about 40 tons.


In addition:

*"Nova possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire...These energies make her the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projecting from any point on her body by mental command, Nova's energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of heat she can produce appears to be 900,000 degrees Fahrenheit....With a minor manifestation of her stellar powers, she can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium.)....Nova can control the path of her cosmic fire to such an extent that she can project a sustained ring of flame at a fixed distance around any object."

*"As a consequence of her cosmic form and metabolism, Nova is far stronger and more durable than an ordinary human being. Although she still possesses a physical body, she is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. Her body automatically incinerates any projectile that comes within her fiery corona."


Joseph:

Joseph has control over electromagnetic forces, identical to Magneto's powers. Although more powerful than Magneto(being a younger version of Magneto), Joseph lacks the control that Magneto does(Being a younger version of Magneto's means that Magneto's older body has had more time to practice).


I'll also provide a quote from my opponent last round:

Now as for Joseph, I want to clarify here that he is not a cheap knock off of Magneto. In fact he is more powerful than Magneto ever was (as stated and shown in the Magneto War arc). He was created younger so he has more "oomf" and he was created without the mental limitations that Magneto has. He can and did do things that Magneto wouldn't allow himself. He doesn't need the ampings and charges that Magneto needs to remain powerful, he's just got all that built in. This dude is Magneto Plus!

Now, don't be fooled. Remember that Joseph has the potential to be more powerful than Magneto; but, his amnesia and youth do not make him so now.

The reason Joseph is screwed in this match is for a few reasons.

*The battle is taking place in the air. Joseph is a good guy, and he probalby wouldn't risk endangering all those aboard the helicarrier. If this was Magneto, the danger would be far greater; but, this just isn't the case. If he takes too much metal from the flying helicarrier, he can send it and the crew plunging to the ground.

*Frankie Raye can generate heat up to 900,000 degrees Fahrenheit, making any form of metal Joseph would have available instantly burn away before it can touch her. Again, due to her fiery corona, any projectile will instantly burn away before touching her.

*Frankie Raye can fly at warp speed. With her great speed, she can keep away from Joseph instantly, and she can use this speed to knock him out quickly.

*Neither character will know of the other. This will benefit Frankie more, because she'll instantly understand what she's dealing with the moment he uses his powers. She'll probably even think, "He's like Magneto."

Winner = Frankie Raye

 

[primemover]

Psylocke vs. Juggernaut

Psylocke is outmatched except for her psychic blade, which she sticks into people to their nervous systems and brains to do damage as and even psychically vanquish somebody as she did to the Shadow King when he was inhabiting Xavier.

This is a different thing than regular telepathic and mind probe attack, as the attack eminates from the sword, a sword that can pierce through any material, including Juggernauts helmet. With her agility she can get the jump on Juggs and deliver a blow to his noggin' that will put him down.

Winner: Psylocke

 

[hippy fascist]

Cable vs Bloodaxe

Ok, so on paper this looks like one hell of a fight. They are both extremely capable warriors each with their own specialities

On top of this you have cable, a christ metaphor vs a demon, in the form of bloodaxe.

However this will be a quick fight.

Bloodaxe is extremely strong and very durable but neither of these will have any impact on the fight itself. Cable is a master tactician and will realise that when facing an asgardian bullets and fists are not the way to go. He'll lock onto bloodaxe and take him down as quickly as possible. Cable is not arrogant enough to take bloodaxe on head to head.

The problem for bloodaxe is that asgardians rarely ever come accross telepathy. He's like one of tribes in the rainforest that is cut off from the rest of humanity. As they've never come accross our various diseases they ave no natural immunity, so the slightest cold can be fatal.

To continue this metaphor it would be like a person whose immune system is severely compromised catching the ebola virus, once cable gets inside bloodaxe's head.

Cable will arrive, scan the area and then just shut bloodaxe's mind down and there's really nothing bloodaxe can do to prevent this.

WINNER: CABLE!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Cable vs. Bloodaxe:

I've held off debating this match, simply because I've needed time in thinking how both characters would interact with each other. I have some theories, and of course they side with my character. So, for me, there just isn't much to debate. It will all be if the voter decides what I believe would be true. Of course, my opponent will likely rebutt every statement I put up; but, don't expect a rebutt. Just, this is how I believe the match would go.

*Neither character will know about the other. They both come from different worlds and experiences. Even looking at Bloodaxe, Cable wouldn't think, "I'm dealing with an Asgardian." Cable will be going in blind to this match.

*Cable can probably find out information on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier. I doubt Bloodaxe would care. If he needs to, he can easily destroy the carrier, bringing it down, with a swipe of his axe.

*Cable's telepathy won't be effective in this match. Now, this will be the biggest disputed thing in my debate, most likely. But, there is a reason I believe this is true. First, the following quote:

Bloodaxe's powers were derived from the enchanted Asgardian axe once wielded by Skurge the Executioner. The evil that remained within it from Skurge's time as a villain would eventually drive any new owner of the axe insane, and compel them to kill.

There is no indication how Cable's telepathy and powers would work on an Asgardian or in regards to someone who is various individuals in one body. Cable's telepathy would meet the person who is transformed, the transformed person, Bloodaxe, and the evil within the axe. Add to this that he is having a raving mad Asgardian coming at him, it's not as simple as Cable using his telepathy to discover everything about my character.

*The evil within the axe, combined with Cable's use of telepathy, might cause Cable more trouble than imagined. Imagine what might happen if Cable uses his telepathy and links to the evil that "would eventually drive any new owner of the axe insane, and compel them to kill." With Cable's power, this might have disasterous effects. After all, throughout the years, we've seen the effects crazy, insane people have on telepaths. By linking with this evil, Cable might just be taken out long enough for Bloodaxe to get in one hell of a wicked blow with his axe.


So, it's my belief that Cable's not knowing who Bloodaxe is, using his powers to try and discover it out, will be his downfall.

Winner = Bloodaxe

 

[hippy fascist]

Cable vs. Bloodaxe:

I've held off debating this match, simply because I've needed time in thinking how both characters would interact with each other. I have some theories, and of course they side with my character. So, for me, there just isn't much to debate. It will all be if the voter decides what I believe would be true. Of course, my opponent will likely rebutt every statement I put up; but, don't expect a rebutt. Just, this is how I believe the match would go.

*Neither character will know about the other. They both come from different worlds and experiences. Even looking at Bloodaxe, Cable wouldn't think, "I'm dealing with an Asgardian." Cable will be going in blind to this match.

Agreed

*Cable can probably find out information on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier. I doubt Bloodaxe would care. If he needs to, he can easily destroy the carrier, bringing it down, with a swipe of his axe.

Being able to move freely around your environment and knowing all the coke points etc is a powerful weapon in the armoury of a telepath, it'll take bloodaxe ages to find him and get close enough to attack.

*Cable's telepathy won't be effective in this match. Now, this will be the biggest disputed thing in my debate, most likely. But, there is a reason I believe this is true. First, the following quote:



There is no indication how Cable's telepathy and powers would work on an Asgardian or in regards to someone who is various individuals in one body. Cable's telepathy would meet the person who is transformed, the transformed person, Bloodaxe, and the evil within the axe. Add to this that he is having a raving mad Asgardian coming at him, it's not as simple as Cable using his telepathy to discover everything about my character.

Magics are alwas very specific about these kind of things. Like with thor's hammer the spell requires physical contact with the artefact in question to transfer. Unless cable makes contact with the axe this will have absolutely no effect on him.

*The evil within the axe, combined with Cable's use of telepathy, might cause Cable more trouble than imagined. Imagine what might happen if Cable uses his telepathy and links to the evil that "would eventually drive any new owner of the axe insane, and compel them to kill." With Cable's power, this might have disasterous effects. After all, throughout the years, we've seen the effects crazy, insane people have on telepaths. By linking with this evil, Cable might just be taken out long enough for Bloodaxe to get in one hell of a wicked blow with his axe.

He's not stopping by bloodaxe's brain for a look around, this is a quick clynical procedure. It will take cable an instant since all he's doing is essentially dropping bloodaxe into a sleepstate/coma. Add to that the seperation of psionics and magic and this holds no water I'm afraid. Cable's putting his lights out.

So, it's my belief that Cable's not knowing who Bloodaxe is, using his powers to try and discover it out, will be his downfall.

Winner = Bloodaxe

This is search and destroy/incapacitate not recon. Cable is a master tactician and a hardnened mercenary. He'll know he's facing a demigod and be looking to shut it down as quickly and cleanly as possible. Something his powerset is perfect for

WINNER: CABLE!

 

[Phaedrus45]

All I'll say in rebutt is I disagree. It's been shown in comics time and time again certain types of villians are very difficult for a telepath to control. Someone with so many personalities in them, like Bloodaxe, is very dangerous. Cable will have no idea who he's facing, and therein lies the problem. Also, as is noted, each character starts on either side of the Helicarrier bridge; so, Bloodaxe will have a decent idea where to initially start fighting. (Plus, Cable has taken very direct approaches in battle most of the times I remember reading about him.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Debating is over!

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Tana Nile

*Psylocke - (Great match-up. But, Debate = Win.)

*Frankie Raye

*Bloodaxe

 

[Harlekin]

Tana Nile
Psylocke
Frankie Raye
Cable - Prep-time is quite the advantage.

 

[kytrigger]

Tana Nile
Psylocke-There's a good chance I would have voted for Juggs, but no debate.
Frankie Ray
Cable- Interesting theory about him having trouble with Bloodaxe psychically, but Cable a damn powerful telepath, I think he could overcome any possible trouble.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Tana Nile
Psylocke - Even though there wasn't a debate for Juggs, I thought Prime had a good point with his.
Joseph - Wanted to debate this but couldn't think of a way for me to win
Cable - Had to think on this one for a while, but overall I think Cable can pull it off. Definately good reasonings by Phaed though

 

[wiegeabo]

Kid Omega
Psylocke (almost voted for Jugs, even without debate, but the psychic knife convinced me)
Frankie Raye
Cable (good debate for Bloodaxe, but...)

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Tana Nile

Psylocke - I would have voted for Juggs

Frankie Raye

Cable - Bloodaxe is not a Hulk with mpd

 

[Midnight Ice]

Tana Nile
Psylocke
Frankie Raye
Cable

 

[hippy fascist]

Juggernaut (Completely forgot this match )
Frankie Raye
Tana Nile
Cable

 

[primemover]

Tana Nile
Psylocke
Frankie Raye
Cable

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Tana Nile over Kid Omega 8-1
Psylocke over Juggernaut 8-1
Frankie Raye over Joseph 8-1
Cable over Bloodaxe 8-1

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 7:

Unus The Untouchable (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Banshee (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

Match 8:

Adam X (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

vs.

Damien Hellstrom (HARLEKIN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 7:

Guardian - Mac Hudson (PRIMEMOVER) bio

VS.

Scarlet Witch (AHURA MAZDA) bio

Match 8:

Georgeous George (HARLEKIN) bio

(NO PICTURE AVAILABLE)

vs.

Doc Octopus (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: X-Mansion

Blueprints for the newly-rebuilt mansion were given in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: X-Men 2004.
The X-Mansion is in the shape of an X. In the middle of the main courtyard is the Phoenix Memorial Statue, dedicated to the memory of Jean Grey. Notable rooms include the Danger Room and a room containing Cerebro. The Headmasters Office of Cyclops and Emma Frost is on the top floor. The basketball court is a popular hang-out; it was the site of a well-known basketball game in X-Men v2 #4 (January 1992) in which the X-Men used their mutant powers. Directly below the basketball court is the hangar, which houses many transportation vehicles, as well as aircraft such as the X-Men Blackbird.

(For more information, check out Wikipedia, which has a nice picture of the mansion.)

 

[Ahura Mazda]

BRACKET 2,

Match 7:

Guardian - Mac Hudson (PRIMEMOVER) bio

VS.

Scarlet Witch (AHURA MAZDA) bio

This is an interesting battle or could have been if the Scarlet Witch was not who she was.

First off let me get powers out of the way:

Initially, the Scarlet Witch had the ability to manipulate probability via her "hexes" (often manifesting physically as "hex spheres" or "hex bolts"). These hexes are relatively short range, and are limited to her line of sight. Casting a hex requires a gesture and concentration on her part, though the gestures are largely a focus for the concentration. Early in her career, her hexes were unconscious on her part, and would be automatically triggered whenever she made a particular gesture, regardless of her intent. These hexes would only manifest random "bad luck" effects: objects falling or breaking, people tripping, and so on. She later gained enough control over her powers that her powers only work when she wants them to, and they are not limited to negative effects. Despite this enhanced precision, her hexes are not necessarily guaranteed to work, particularly if she has been straining herself or using her powers excessively. If overextended, her hexes can backfire, causing probability to work against her wishes or to undo previous hexes.

Her hexes seem to have a wide, almost limitless variety of recorded and possible effects, though they often boil down to a kind of Deus Ex Machina superpower. They have been known to alter the molecular composition and physical state of physical objects, negate or distort physical laws, and to cause various forms of energy to spontaneously appear or disappear. She has an affinity with natural elements and phenomena, stemming largely from her magical training under Agatha Harkness, and has trained often at using her hexes to deflect projectiles or to cause enemies to stumble or otherwise suffer the effects of "bad luck". Writers often confuse her hex powers with psychokinesis, and have occasionally depicted them as able to generate energy blasts and to grant Wanda the power of flight[issue # needed]. Although her hexes can cause objects to suddenly move or change course, they do not have the ability to "hold on" to objects as a telekinetic might. Ultimately, the hexes are not under the Witch's direct control, although she can influence the nature of their effects with great concentration and effort. This makes her one of the few Avengers that Ultron fears; his adamantium shell cannot repel her magic. She has displayed the ability to cancel Longshot and Domino's powers of probability and has also once turned Longshot into a cat.

The first major reclassification of Wanda's fairly-indistinct hex powers came during Kurt Busiek's run on Avengers, where her power was claimed by Agatha Harkness to be an ability to manipulate chaos magic, given to her by the demon Chthon (imprisoned within Wundagore Mountain) when she was born. Her hexes were, by extension, simple, indirect manifestations of this magic, destabilising probabilities by inducing chaos. Across Busiek's run, Wanda's powers grew continuously, as she gained the ability to manipulate organic matter and summon Wonder Man back to life. While in the DC Universe (during the Jla/Avengers crossover, she displayed the ability to access that universe's chaos magic, but had great difficulty in doing so at first, since it was more powerful there and she had no previous experience in wielding it.

This is before Bendis and the reality warping, so it should all be valid.


Now the location is interesting this week as the Scarlet Witch knows it well. She should know it better then Guardian but it will not be much of an advantage.

She will also know who Guardian is as the Guardian will know her.

This battle would require a simple use of magics which the Scarlet Witch could have prepared beforehand. She can either have his battle suit go haywire or turn him into a cat or other animal. the thing is Guardian has no defense against magics and just as Ultron was unable to defend against her so would Guardian.

Winner - Scarlet Witch

 

[wiegeabo]

Unus The Untouchable vs Banshee

Location and prep-time obviously favor Banshee since this is the X-Mansion. But Unus can get info on Banshee, if he already hasn't fought him. And most of the advantaes the Mansion provides, like defense systems, are negated by Unus' forcefield that nothing can get through.

Even Banshee's powers will have little effect since Unus can protect himself from the concussive blasts and the screams (he can prevent the air from reaching him).

But Unus' greatest advantage is being able to deflect attacks. And automated defense blast at him he can send right at Banshee. And he can trun Banshee's attacks right back on him.

Unus has the power and experience to wear Banshee down and use his own attacks against him. It's a good fight, but one Unus will take.


Unus the Untouchable wins

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Damien Hellstrom vs Adam-X

I like the idea behind Adam, and his powers are quite useful. Useful against normal mortals that is. Damien is Lord of Hell, and besides the fact that he could probably circumvent Adam's powers, he's got way more versatility and power. Adam isn't going to get any advantage out of the X-Mansion, and neither will Hellstrom. Thing is though, Hellstrom's got the power to make this a quick and bloody match.

Hellstrom is ruthless enough to take care of this right away and put Adam's head on his trident.

WINNER=DAMIEN HELLSTROM