REBUTTAL: Black Panther vs Iron Man
Except, the U.S. Government surely doesn't trust T'Challa. He might have connections, but when it comes to the U.S., Tony's connections are quite a bit higher.
Doesn't matter. Wakanda's resources not only outnumber those of the U.S.A.'s, the Panther has his own personal connection within the U.S. government, being a foreign diplomat. He's also shown that he can hack into just about anything, including U.S. files.
Yes, I would say not conclusive for a few reasons. First, the comic was The Black Panther. If I knew Tony vs. T'Challa would happen in a Black Panther comic, you can bet your butt I would take my whole paycheck and say Tony was going to lose.
- What's canon is canon. We always have to rely on accounts that are seemingly biased. That's the inevitable risk. Dismissing this defeat because it took place in BP's comic is ridiculous.
Second, looking at your description and details of events, you see Wolverine helping T'Challa, you see a "future Black Panther" helping the current Black Panther.
- And anyone reading the scans and my description will see that Wolverine's presence in the actual fight was irrelevant. He was useful for BP's greater plan, but when it came down to the fighting part, he didn't matter as much.
- The future Black Panther employed the exact same tactics Panther would've since oh yeah, he was following the Panther's plan. Then there's the final fight, which was all present day T'Challa.
Third, Tony just finds out that Black Panther knows everything about his armor for the first battle, having an advantage at that time. Fourth, the battle won't be indoors, to boost Black Panther's advantage. And, finally, you see Tony not taking the defeating blow. He has Black Panther possibly beaten when in his stealth armor; yet, he stops to try and get T'Challa to listen to reason.
- Exactly, showing just how unpredictable T'Challa can be.
- The battle doesn't need to be indoors. Let's make this simple: If Black Panther doesn't want Iron Man to find him, Iron Man isn't going to find him. Now, especially in a town where Iron Man will be forced to hold back, Panther has a serious advantage.
- I'm not sure we're reading the same fight here. He doesn't stop. He keeps beating on T'Challa while talking. Eventually, he stops when T'Challa plays possum. Of course, that's when T'Challa pulls out his trump card and
makes Iron Man's heart stop.
Well, "preparation time beats all" is just as bad as "hero's comic shows hero beating a villian or other hero more times than not" argument. We take what we get in this contest.
Exactly, and pretty much all we have is the previously mentioned fight, in which, ultimately, T'Challa dominated Tony.
T'Challa is at a disadvantage. He won't know about Tony's improvements, and Tony will take that last battle and learn from it. (And, he won't have to go close quarters, as both of those battles show, like Tony's a complete idiot. This is not a "time for talk," as the Black Panther comic showed. This is a time for battle, and Tony will be up for it.)
- You've given nothing to show T'Challa is at a disadvantage here. As I mentioned in my open argument, T'Challa is more ruthless, stealthier and the populated area leaves Iron Man at a severe disadvantage.
- You've not shown why T'Challa would be in the dark about Tony's improvements. Everything before this has shown that T'Challa knows everything there is to know about Tony. Their last fight didn't change anything about that.
- Tony's not an idiot, and I never said that either. It's been shown though that T'Challa's been able to outsmart Tony on numerous occasions. As the White Wolf tells Tony: he's been played like a tune.
I don't have the comics at hand, but The Other came before Civil War. And, Tony working on the armor and giving Spidey his armor was before that time, too. Tony had learned about Spidey and his new armor before the events of Civil War. It was my understanding that he had that already.
- Spidey receives the armour shortly after the Other as I recall.
- Tony having a "spider-sense" is a direct result of what he learned from that armour, not before he actually gave him the armour.
- Besides that, the revelation that Tony has "spider-sense" is made during Civil War, thereby making it not usable, whether he actually had that ability before or not. Hey, they aren't my rules.
Yes, but Tony knows stealth just as well. He can get into the various computers and electronic devices within Stamford. He won't make this a close quarter's battle, unless it seems like he can get the beat on T'Challa.
The various computers and electronic devices constitute of simple library computers and the like. It's not going to be anything fancy that Tony can actually use to his advantage. Besides that, T'Challa isn't stupid, and he's also, as I've noted quite a bit more ruthless. If needed, he'll EMP Stamford, making sure Tony can't use anything.
Also, nobody knows stealth better than the Panther.
The Black Panther has every advantage in this match, as I've pointed out perhaps more clearly in my opening argument. He's got the knowledge, the skills and the location's an incredible advantage to him.
WINNER=BLACK PANTHER
