Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Absorbing Man beat Darkstar 9-7
Spidercide tied with Wallflower-HoM 8-8
Mysterio beat Quicksilver 12-4
Gamesmaster beat Vapor 15-1
Famine beat Lady Deathstrike 9-7
Alex Powers beat Namora-Exiles 9-7

 

[hippy fascist]

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[Harlekin]

Well, it took a while, but I finally did it. Very fiercely debated Zoken, loved it. Too bad it had to be Namora. Look forward to our next match.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 3,

Match 11:

She-Hulk (TRIGGER) bio



vs.

Gambit (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio



Match 12:

Shatterstar (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio



vs.

Danielle Moonstar (DARTHPHERE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 4,

Match 11:

Gorgon (HELLSTORMER) bio



vs.

Triathlon (DARKHELLRIDER) bio



Match 12:

Jesse Bedlam (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio



vs.

Gamora (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

REMATCH:

Spidercide (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio



vs.

Wallflower - House of M (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location:

BADLANDS

This mystic realm was fashioned by the Demon-Bear as an idealized version of the American southwest.

(This location was not originally intended for Week 6. It was suppose to be The Cage; but, I discovered little can be found about the location, other than it took away all superpowers when running. So, I didn't think it fair to take away everyone's powers. As I don't have any matches this week, I came up with the first substitute location that I came to. Location was changed, and just figure you are out in the American Southwest, idealized version. No inhabitants, except the normal animals and bugs that you'd expect to find. If your character can find out any more information on this area that may be of help, then it's fair game.)

 

[Hellstormer]

BRACKET 4,

Match 11:

Gorgon (HELLSTORMER) bio



vs.

Triathlon (DARKHELLRIDER) bio

Let's see Triathlon he has three times the physical ability of a normal man, I take it the means strength, speed, and endurance. I think three times is about a level above or same as Captain America. This guys impressive but he's nowhere near an Inhuman's level. Now Triathlon will probaly have Avenger clearence to files on the Inhuman where Gorgon won't have any informtaion but Gorgon's a skilled fighter he'll hold back and gauge his opponent before striking and if he doesn't want Triathlon near him Tri won't even get close. Gorgon can create seismic shockwaves by banging his hooves off the ground these waves could easily keep Triathlon at a distance and when he's weak enough Gorgon will strike and bring him down easily.

Winner=Gorgon

Make his a good debate Tri seems like a cool character.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Shatterstar Vs Moonstar

I've never read the Demon Bear saga (though I hear it's good), so I'm not overly familiar with the location, but it's obvious that if anyone was familiar with it, it'd be Danielle Moonstar. The thing is that if I'm not mistaken, she was always afraid of the Demon Bear (judging by her reaction to it in the later issues of X-Force), and so I'd think that the location would frighten her, as it reminds her of her encounter with the Demon Bear... so though she has more experience with the land, I think it would be more of a handycap than not. I don't think anything there would help either person, as there isn't much to help them with, but if anything, Danielle will be a bit distracted.

That said, I have Shatterstar this match. Now Shatterstar wouldn't mind the creepy atmosphere, as he's a bred warrior and has faced things like this all his life. He is stern as nails and wouldn't let any of this get under his skin.

Shatterstar and Danielle Moonstar are both former X-Force members, and I believe they even worked together for a short time, so they'd know one another fairly well. Both are trained soldiers and can hold their own. Both are strategic leaders, though Danielle is more patient, much to her advantage.

To be honest, I can see this match going either way. I think that Shatterstar is the better hand to hand fighter (though Danielle is no slouch), and I think that Danielle is the smarter combatant. However, I think that Shatterstar is closer strategically thinking than Danielle is fighting wise compared to Shatterstar, giving him a slight advantage (he was trained by Cable after all, and Danielle never was).

So here's how I see it. I won't go into great detail, but the idea is that the battle begins. The fight would probably begin physically, and though Danielle would hold her own, she knows that he'd win long term, so she'd dodge and run somehow. There's no where to hide, and so she'd quickly to to her fortay, nightmares. She'd fire off a nightmare (arrow, or just aura, what have you) and Shatterstar would begin to see his fears. Now I could be cocky and say that Shatterstar has no fears, but I don't believe this to be true. I think he'd see everything with that ordeal about him being that Benjimin guy (storyline so confusing that I won't even pretend to understand it)... and I can also see him thinking he's back in Mojo world as a slave or something. However, he's played mind games before and he knows how they work. And not only that, but he knows Danielle, and knows not to fall for it. If anything, he'd get mad that a fellow soldier in arms would bring out his worst, and he'd be enraged. He would eventually see through the nightmare and find his way to Danielle. It'd be a hard fight, but Shatterstar's rage would win over the fight.

Winner - Shatterstar

 

[JewishHobbit]

Jesse Bedlam Vs Gamora

Okay, this could be very tough, or very easy, for Bedlam. The hard part is that Gamora is the best hand to hand fighter in the marvel universe. In a physical confrontation, though Bedlam wouldn't is a Black Belt in karate, he wouldn't stand a chance. However, that isn't Bedlam's main draw. His powers are his ace.

So here's the deal. The location provides no aid to either of them, and simply puts them in open battle with (i imagine) little hiding room. Neither would know of the other, so no aid there.

Here's where Bedlam gets the advantage. His powers effect machines (no help here), but also a person's brain, alien or otherwise. In an issue of X-force, he made an alien women instantly believe that her legs broke, and she felt the pain from it. He made her tell him what he wanted by breaking her bones one by one until she opened up with whatever it was she wanted. And in his later appearances, before he died, he was able to do this effectively at a distance.

So the idea is that while Gamora could kick the crap out of him, she won't get close enough to do that. She will hunt him and attack, but he will see her coming and will 'break' her legs, so that she falls. Her mind will believe it, and her body will follow. If she can't walk, she's going to have a hard time getting to him to fight him. Not only that, he can pull the same thing where he 'breaks' her bone by bone until she passes out, or he does it the easy way... and simply forces her to fall asleep (which he also did in X-Force). I tell you, Counter X sucked, but it did wonders for Bedlam's powers. If it gets to a physical confrontation, Bedlam's going down hard, but I don't think it will. If Bedlam sees Gamora coming (and I don't think that there's much covering for her to hide behind) then he's got this in the bag.

Winner - Jesse Bedlam

 

[Iceman]

Opening Argument: GAMORA Vs JESSE BEDLAM

Gamora was trained and raised by Thanos and is repeatedly referred to as “the deadliest woman in the universe”.

Gamora had been cybernetically enhanced to have superhuman strength, speed and a healing factor equal to that of Wolverine. Gamora's strength and speed were further enhanced by Adam Warlock when they returned from Soul World.

Also:

Gamora is one of the most skilled martial artists in the Marvel Universe. She is capable of defeating opponents who possess superhuman strength and durability that far supasses her own

She has even taken on Thanos and the Magus in combat (but lost , understandably)


All I can find on Jesse Bedlam’s powers is:

Jesse can generate a bio-electric field that wreaks havoc with electrical systems.

I’m not sure how useful this power will be in this location but I anticipate that the knowledgable Jewhob will inform me. Also let me know if he has any other useful powers that aren’t in this bio.

Otherwise this will be extremely quick and location and prep time will have little effect on the outcome.

WINNER = GAMORA

 

[Iceman]

Jesse Bedlam Vs Gamora

Okay, this could be very tough, or very easy, for Bedlam. The hard part is that Gamora is the best hand to hand fighter in the marvel universe. In a physical confrontation, though Bedlam wouldn't is a Black Belt in karate, he wouldn't stand a chance. However, that isn't Bedlam's main draw. His powers are his ace.

So here's the deal. The location provides no aid to either of them, and simply puts them in open battle with (i imagine) little hiding room. Neither would know of the other, so no aid there.

Here's where Bedlam gets the advantage. His powers effect machines (no help here), but also a person's brain, alien or otherwise. In an issue of X-force, he made an alien women instantly believe that her legs broke, and she felt the pain from it. He made her tell him what he wanted by breaking her bones one by one until she opened up with whatever it was she wanted. And in his later appearances, before he died, he was able to do this effectively at a distance.

So the idea is that while Gamora could kick the crap out of him, she won't get close enough to do that. She will hunt him and attack, but he will see her coming and will 'break' her legs, so that she falls. Her mind will believe it, and her body will follow. If she can't walk, she's going to have a hard time getting to him to fight him. Not only that, he can pull the same thing where he 'breaks' her bone by bone until she passes out, or he does it the easy way... and simply forces her to fall asleep (which he also did in X-Force). I tell you, Counter X sucked, but it did wonders for Bedlam's powers. If it gets to a physical confrontation, Bedlam's going down hard, but I don't think it will. If Bedlam sees Gamora coming (and I don't think that there's much covering for her to hide behind) then he's got this in the bag.

Winner - Jesse Bedlam

I'm not too familiar with Jesse Bedlam's appearances in the comics so could you help me out by shedding some light on what kind of calibre the alien woman that he managed to control in this manner was. Aliens include an almost infinite number and variety of races and just because a trick works on one individual does not mean it will apply to all aliens, especially one near the very top of the pile.

Don't forget that Gamora was entrusted with the time gem by Adam Warlock and if she could fall to this kind of low level trick, I think he would have thought twice before doing so.

If Bedlam's trick did work, her Wolverine level healing factor will allow her bones to recover sufficiently to use her superspeed to get close enough to land the single strike (being amongst the universe's best martial artists she will instantly find the weakest nerve point) that it will take to end this fight.

WINNER = GAMORA

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm not too familiar with Jesse Bedlam's appearances in the comics so could you help me out by shedding some light on what kind of calibre the alien woman that he managed to control in this manner was. Aliens include an almost infinite number and variety of races and just because a trick works on one individual does not mean it will apply to all aliens, especially one near the very top of the pile.

I just went back to get the info on the alien... come to find out that there is no mention of her being an alien. I've remembered her wrong. She was a black ops agent when powers. However, Bedlam also was shown doing similar things to other aliens all throughout the 'Counter X' era, so it still applies (the Counter X era was kinda like X-Men meets X-Files.) Most of them were almost monster-like aliens... but I would think that Gamora would be easier than them, as hers is more human-like. Frankly, I don't think it matters what type of alien it is, as long as it's living. And below are the scans of what he did to give everyone a better idea of what he's doing to Gamora

Don't forget that Gamora was entrusted with the time gem by Adam Warlock and if she could fall to this kind of low level trick, I think he would have thought twice before doing so.

My memory sucks, but I'm thinking that we said NO infinity gems for this tourny. I'll have to ask Phaed to make sure, but I don't think she has it at this time. And my understanding of her with the gem anyhow, is that it helped her see the future at times, but it was random (not often either), and she couldn't control it... so it'd be no help here.

If Bedlam's trick did work, her Wolverine level healing factor will allow her bones to recover sufficiently to use her superspeed to get close enough to land the single strike (being amongst the universe's best martial artists she will instantly find the weakest nerve point) that it will take to end this fight.

Thing is, her bones would be fine... her brain would just think they're broken, or her organs spasming, or whatever he tries to convince her is fact. Thing is... her body would try to heal them, but they wouldn't heal (as they aren't broken) and it'd just keep trying... nonetheless, it wouldn't work because it isn't a physical pain, it's a mental pain. Healing factor is useless.


This is one of those matches where I felt that Bedlam had no chance at first, but the more I think about it, the more I think that he's got the advantage. Gamora could kill him with a blow, but if she can't get a blow in, then there's nothing for her, and Bedlam's well trained in his powers and knows to keep his foes at a distance. I don't imagine much hiding room, so he'd see her coming (or at least feel her coming through tracing her emp field, or whatever the heck it is that he traces. In my readings of the X-Force stuff, I saw him do it a time or two) and he'd stop her before she got to him, as he did commonly in the comics. Gamora's an amazing character... but Bedlams's got one up on her.

Winner - Jesse Bedlam


PS... Bedlam seemed like such a useless character in the early X-Force appearances, but then the Counter X era made him awsome... then Chuck Austen just went and killed him off screen. Dang you Chuck Austen!

 

[Darthphere]

Danielle Moonstar breaks Shatterstar

Overview first of course.

Danielle Moonstar's abilities include Limited telepathy,Psychic illusions,Psionic arrows,Telepathic rapport with animals,(formerly) Quantum energy powers,
creation of solid objects

Shatterstar has Enhanced strength, speed, stamina, agility and reflexes
Accelerated healing, the ability to generate bio-energy through his swords


Now, in the way of combat, Shatterstar has a certain edge IMO, but thankfully, Moonstar's powers will help in a big way. The way I see it, Moonstar gets beaten in combat and has to resort to her image projecting powers. If I recall correctly, she has to ability to make it seem like Shatterstar is abttling someone hes really not, which would cause him some mental trauma perhaps. If not, she can use her psionic arrows to cause some damage to Shatterstar. Theres really so many angles this match can take, but when push comes to shove, Moonstar I believe can take him.

 

[DarkHellRider]

Don't worry one good debate coming up.

Being part of the avengers he would have information gorgon. So he would know about the seisimic legs all he would have to do is jump with his abilties being multiplied by three so he would be able to jump higher making him be able to avoid the shockwaves then he would come down ontop of gorgon hittting him with massive force straight to the head. If gorgon moved as soon as triatholon landed he would spiring forward with a punch or a kick to the head knocking him out declaring

Triatholon the winner

 

[Iceman]

Opening Debate: Gambit Vs She Hulk

Certainly not an easy match here.

Location
Aside from his regular cards, there must be things like rocks (sorry I don’t really know too much about the American Southwest) around ready to be charged with as much explosive kinetic energy as possible (in the knowledge that he is fighting for his life) bombarding She Hulk with head shots whenever she gets within range. Each explosion will obstruct her vision and prevent her from ever gaining the necessary momentum to reach him (he is one of the most agile X-Men outside of those like Beast for whom agility is a primary power).

If She Hulk got lucky and managed to penetrate Gambit's bombardment, he can also charge his staff with whatever energy he has left and aim for a weak area (her vision will still be obstructed) eg eyes, throat, balls.. etc to at least knock her down (if not cause damage) and allow him to regain his position and restart the bombardment.

Prep time
Gambit will have access to the X-Men databases and obviously She Hulk is a high profile character. I would also expect She Hulk to be aware of Gambit and possibly have some limited information on his powers, although to a much lesser extent.

The Kick drug used to increase mutant powers (Riot at Xaviers) could also make all the difference here. Whether or not he could convince Xavier to lend it to him, being one of the best thieves in the world he would have no problem acquiring all of Xavier's hidden supplies. An overdose of kick would elevate his powers to previously unseen levels and even the likes of She hulk would find it difficult to resist the bombardment for long.

He also has the benefit of being able to try out and practise strategies in the danger room as She Hulk should be an available opponent in the danger room archives.

If everything fails, he’ll have to seduce her with his world renowned charm, yep it's man****e time.

WINNER = GAMBIT

 

[Iceman]

Response: GAMORA Vs JESSE BEDLAM

I just went back to get the info on the alien... come to find out that there is no mention of her being an alien. I've remembered her wrong. She was a black ops agent when powers. However, Bedlam also was shown doing similar things to other aliens all throughout the 'Counter X' era, so it still applies (the Counter X era was kinda like X-Men meets X-Files.) Most of them were almost monster-like aliens... but I would think that Gamora would be easier than them, as hers is more human-like. Frankly, I don't think it matters what type of alien it is, as long as it's living. And below are the scans of what he did to give everyone a better idea of what he's doing to Gamora

Nice scans & they certainly add to your opening argument. I'll take your word for his abilities with various aliens. My point on aliens is that the issue is complicated as they are all completely different races, some of which are not vulnerable to telepathy, some of which have super strength, others allergic to sunlight etc. Proving that an ability is effective on a human (or a mutant) for example is a worthy indicator that the ability will have at least some effect on other humans (or mutants). Proving abilities on say 20 races of aliens is not really proof that the ability will be effective on all creatures in the galaxy. What I'm saying is that the effectiveness of Bedlam's powers on Gamora is at best uncertain but at the same time I won't rule out an outside chance that she is vulnerable to some extent, despite being one of the most resilient characters in the universe.

My memory sucks, but I'm thinking that we said NO infinity gems for this tourny. I'll have to ask Phaed to make sure, but I don't think she has it at this time. And my understanding of her with the gem anyhow, is that it helped her see the future at times, but it was random (not often either), and she couldn't control it... so it'd be no help here.

Aaaah, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that she is using the time gem in this battle. The point I was making was that Adam Warlock wouldn't have entrusted her with it in the first place if there was a possibilty that she would be vulnerable to tricks that I would put on a par with average level telepathy. There are so many characters on various planets that have psychic ability of some sort that if Gamora wasn’t at least partially resistant, giving her the time gem for safe keeping would be an extremely foolish decision.

Thing is, her bones would be fine... her brain would just think they're broken, or her organs spasming, or whatever he tries to convince her is fact. Thing is... her body would try to heal them, but they wouldn't heal (as they aren't broken) and it'd just keep trying... nonetheless, it wouldn't work because it isn't a physical pain, it's a mental pain. Healing factor is useless.

If it is all mental, I don't see how he can gain a complete victory using this strategy alone. Even if he maintains it for a very long time and puts Gamora through intense pain (which her mind should be able to cope with), as soon as he lets up, she will be fine again. While she is dazed, he still has to be able to cause some form of damage to the body of someone with a healing factor on Wolverine's level while keeping her in his psychic grip for long enough to achieve this.

This is one of those matches where I felt that Bedlam had no chance at first, but the more I think about it, the more I think that he's got the advantage. Gamora could kill him with a blow, but if she can't get a blow in, then there's nothing for her, and Bedlam's well trained in his powers and knows to keep his foes at a distance. I don't imagine much hiding room, so he'd see her coming (or at least feel her coming through tracing her emp field, or whatever the heck it is that he traces. In my readings of the X-Force stuff, I saw him do it a time or two) and he'd stop her before she got to him, as he did commonly in the comics. Gamora's an amazing character... but Bedlams's got one up on her.

PS... Bedlam seemed like such a useless character in the early X-Force appearances, but then the Counter X era made him awsome... then Chuck Austen just went and killed him off screen. Dang you Chuck Austen!

At least your debate gives your character an outside chance in a match that would otherwise be impossible

WINNER = GAMORA

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

Don't worry one good debate coming up.

Being part of the avengers he would have information gorgon. So he would know about the seisimic legs all he would have to do is jump with his abilties being multiplied by three so he would be able to jump higher making him be able to avoid the shockwaves then he would come down ontop of gorgon hittting him with massive force straight to the head. If gorgon moved as soon as triatholon landed he would spiring forward with a punch or a kick to the head knocking him out declaring

Yes but Gorgon has been fighting for decades, he's engaged entire armies I think he knows how to dodge someone landing on him or a punch or kick coming at him. Besides if Tri does uise that bounce and punch/kick method he'd be off blance giving Gorgon a window to just completely take him down.

Winner= Gorgon

 

[JewishHobbit]

Response: GAMORA Vs JESSE BEDLAM

Nice scans & they certainly add to your opening argument. I'll take your word for his abilities with various aliens. My point on aliens is that the issue is complicated as they are all completely different races, some of which are not vulnerable to telepathy, some of which have super strength, others allergic to sunlight etc. Proving that an ability is effective on a human (or a mutant) for example is a worthy indicator that the ability will have at least some effect on other humans (or mutants). Proving abilities on say 20 races of aliens is not really proof that the ability will be effective on all creatures in the galaxy. What I'm saying is that the effectiveness of Bedlam's powers on Gamora is at best uncertain but at the same time I won't rule out an outside chance that she is vulnerable to some extent, despite being one of the most resilient characters in the universe.

She's resilient physically and mentally, but she's always been shown to work just like human physiology. She has been attacked physically, mentally, she has sex like normal humans (see current Annihilation story... go Nova). There's nothing that I've ever seen that shows she wouldn't be effected in anything differantly than a normal human would (and by normal human, I simply mean the race itself).

Aaaah, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that she is using the time gem in this battle. The point I was making was that Adam Warlock wouldn't have entrusted her with it in the first place if there was a possibilty that she would be vulnerable to tricks that I would put on a par with average level telepathy. There are so many characters on various planets that have psychic ability of some sort that if Gamora wasn’t at least partially resistant, giving her the time gem for safe keeping would be an extremely foolish decision.

I see, I did misunderstand you. The thing is, Bedlam's powers aren't telepathy at all. If anything, it's more along the lines of Magneto's powers, in that it he effects the bio-electric parts of things, including that of the human brain. It's a differant route than telepathy. (hard to understand yes, but that much I know). Even if she had complete mental blocks, Bedlam's powers would still get through.

If it is all mental, I don't see how he can gain a complete victory using this strategy alone. Even if he maintains it for a very long time and puts Gamora through intense pain (which her mind should be able to cope with), as soon as he lets up, she will be fine again. While she is dazed, he still has to be able to cause some form of damage to the body of someone with a healing factor on Wolverine's level while keeping her in his psychic grip for long enough to achieve this. At least your debate gives your character an outside chance in a match that would otherwise be impossible

The thing is... his effects are lasting until he says stop. He could make her believe that her spine is broken and then leave her, and she wouldn't be able to move again until he came back and says move. He could make it as simple as what he did to the woman in the scans and tell her that she's in a coma... and she would be. He's got this on SO many levels, and the healing factor would be so confused that it wouldn't know what to start healing. He isn't knocking her out by causing pain, he's just knocking her out. Or he just renders her useless and just beats on her while she believes she can't move or defend herself, until she's knocked unconcious... but more probably, he'll just shut her off and win the match quicker.

Not only that, but I've just thought of another MAJOR advantage Bedlam has. He messes with people's brains, but the main aspect of his power is that it's 'bedlam' on machinery. He can read and trace machinery and make it go haywire and just blow up or run wrong, etc. Thanos improved Gamora cybernetically. Now, unless I'm reading this wrong, Gamora has some cybernetics in her, improving her. Heh, Bedlam can make those cybernetics go insane and just destroy them, nocking her down a notch, or more commonly, cause some serious feedback. That's just a little extra to add to the fight.

Winner - Jesse Bedlam

 

[Iceman]

Response: GAMORA Vs JESSE BEDLAM

She's resilient physically and mentally, but she's always been shown to work just like human physiology. She has been attacked physically, mentally, she has sex like normal humans (see current Annihilation story... go Nova). There's nothing that I've ever seen that shows she wouldn't be effected in anything differantly than a normal human would (and by normal human, I simply mean the race itself).

I don’t follow this argument. Any creature can be attacked physically and mentally, Galactus, dogs, cats, etc. Unless you are saying she will react to physical and mental attacks as a human would?? Physically Gamora does not react in any way similarly to a human, given her extremely powerful healing factor. I’m not sure how we can speculate on whether she would react like a normal human without the healing factor. Mentally, she has the typical resilience of one of Adam Warlock’s keepers. She doesn’t get beaten mentally often and particularly not by d-listers like Bedlam [/cheap shot].

Inter species sex is also possible– I won’t go into the mechanics. Nova could attempt sex with Silver Surfer but it doesn’t mean that Bedlam would be able to use the same tactics on him. Gamora only needs the slightest level of resistance to his powers with her superspeed and ability to go for the deadly strike that will win this.

I see, I did misunderstand you. The thing is, Bedlam's powers aren't telepathy at all. If anything, it's more along the lines of Magneto's powers, in that it he effects the bio-electric parts of things, including that of the human brain. It's a differant route than telepathy. (hard to understand yes, but that much I know). Even if she had complete mental blocks, Bedlam's powers would still get through.

Yeah, I wasn’t saying that his powers were telepathy, just that the calibre of his powers could be compared to an average level telepath. Adam Warlock has the brains to ensure that the entities to which he entrusts such galactically important items are at least partially resistant to not just telepathy, but all kinds of mid level threats including mind based tricks such as Bedlam’s or even Microbe Otherwise they are useless guardians who would fall to hundreds of different types of villains.

The thing is... his effects are lasting until he says stop. He could make her believe that her spine is broken and then leave her, and she wouldn't be able to move again until he came back and says move. He could make it as simple as what he did to the woman in the scans and tell her that she's in a coma... and she would be. He's got this on SO many levels, and the healing factor would be so confused that it wouldn't know what to start healing. He isn't knocking her out by causing pain, he's just knocking her out. Or he just renders her useless and just beats on her while she believes she can't move or defend herself, until she's knocked unconcious... but more probably, he'll just shut her off and win the match quicker.

His mental powers are not that strong that he can leave characters of Gamora’s calibre who have strong mental resilience in comas or thinking that they have a broken spine (don’t forget he only has about a second to lock onto her mind) and walk away without having to maintain concentration. That’s closer to Xavier’s mindwiping levels.

Not only that, but I've just thought of another MAJOR advantage Bedlam has. He messes with people's brains, but the main aspect of his power is that it's 'bedlam' on machinery. He can read and trace machinery and make it go haywire and just blow up or run wrong, etc. Thanos improved Gamora cybernetically. Now, unless I'm reading this wrong, Gamora has some cybernetics in her, improving her. Heh, Bedlam can make those cybernetics go insane and just destroy them, nocking her down a notch, or more commonly, cause some serious feedback. That's just a little extra to add to the fight.

Gamora’s cybernetic aspects are metal implants that strengthen her body. There aren’t any moving parts that could be described as machinery. So unless his powers work on stationary metals this will not help.

Bedlam has about a second to get this fatal lock on Gamora’s mind before she reaches him and deals the deathblow. I’ll leave it to voters if they believe that he is capable of this.

WINNER = GAMORA

 

[DarkHellRider]

Rebuttal

Yes but Gorgon has been fighting for decades, he's engaged entire armies I think he knows how to dodge someone landing on him or a punch or kick coming at him. Besides if Tri does uise that bounce and punch/kick method he'd be off blance giving Gorgon a window to just completely take him down.

Winner= Gorgon

Rebuttal

Triatholon is fast three times faster then any normal human which means his refelxes are faster as well. True not super human fast like flash but fast enough to dodge attacks coming at him. All he would have to do is avoid the legs of gorgon and try to land punches and kicks to major points like the stomach or head.
Triatholon haveing faster reflexes would mean if he got off balance he should quickly be able to recover before gorgon could land a punch or in this case a kick.
All triatholon would have to do is keep moving since he has triple the endurance he should be able to keep up the dodge and weeve tactics long enough for gorgon to start to get tired and wear out making it easiar to knock him out.

Winner: triatholon

 

[JewishHobbit]

Response: GAMORA Vs JESSE BEDLAM


I don’t follow this argument. Any creature can be attacked physically and mentally, Galactus, dogs, cats, etc. Unless you are saying she will react to physical and mental attacks as a human would?? Physically Gamora does not react in any way similarly to a human, given her extremely powerful healing factor. I’m not sure how we can speculate on whether she would react like a normal human without the healing factor. Mentally, she has the typical resilience of one of Adam Warlock’s keepers. She doesn’t get beaten mentally often and particularly not by d-listers like Bedlam [/cheap shot].

So many humans have healing factors these days, I think it's become a normal function. I just don't see Gamora's alien physiology being so differant where Bedlam's powers would work less effectively, but I'm willing to let the voters decide that.

Yeah, I wasn’t saying that his powers were telepathy, just that the calibre of his powers could be compared to an average level telepath. Adam Warlock has the brains to ensure that the entities to which he entrusts such galactically important items are at least partially resistant to not just telepathy, but all kinds of mid level threats including mind based tricks such as Bedlam’s or even Microbe Otherwise they are useless guardians who would fall to hundreds of different types of villains.

Now I'm not sure, so I'll ask. Has it ever been stated that Warlock's chosen people with resistance to telepathy and other mind tricks? I'm assuming that works for Moondragon, but I don't know about the rest. Because if it's never been stated, then you're assuming and this argument falls flat. I don't remember ever reading anything about Gamora having such strong mental defenses, but then I didn't get very far into the Infinity Watch. Just thought I'd as for clarification.

His mental powers are not that strong that he can leave characters of Gamora’s calibre who have strong mental resilience in comas or thinking that they have a broken spine (don’t forget he only has about a second to lock onto her mind) and walk away without having to maintain concentration. That’s closer to Xavier’s mindwiping levels.

Again though, how you describe Bedlam's powers aren't how his powers work. He doesn't focus on her mind at all. He focuses on the currents that go through her physical brain. Xavier's tough, but his powers are completely differant from Bedlams. She will know that her legs, spine, whatever aren't broken (as shown in the scans I provided of the women), so there's no convincing needed. Her brain will simply turn against her, and she won't be able to convince it back. The comparison to Xavier and Bedlam is like this.... in Xavier's case, compared to a house... He has to find a way to open the door, navigate through the house and figure out which lights to turn off and on. In bedlam's case, he just climbs the telephone pole and cuts the cords. The house is never touched. If Gamora did have some type of mental blocks... Bedlam never comes near them... and she's still in a coma.

Okay, that logic confused even me

Gamora’s cybernetic aspects are metal implants that strengthen her body. There aren’t any moving parts that could be described as machinery. So unless his powers work on stationary metals this will not help.

He can work on just stationary metal as well. He was shown once making ventilation papes break, blowing steam on someone. So if she has mental implants, most probably her minds getting fried.

Winner - Bedlam

 

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[JewishHobbit]

If She Hulk got lucky and managed to penetrate Gambit's bombardment, he can also charge his staff with whatever energy he has left and aim for a weak area (her vision will still be obstructed) eg eyes, throat, balls.. etc to at least knock her down (if not cause damage) and allow him to regain his position and restart the bombardment.

Wow... I know She-Hulk is kinda manlyish... but wow!

 

[JewishHobbit]

She-Hulk And her balls
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Jesse Bedlam
Triathlon Good debate on both ends though, I went back and forth

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