Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[Zoken]

BULL! he is a very powerful fire meta. others, weaker than him, have been shown to be able to incenerate completely things such as rock to stop them from falling. Besides, Hammond could simply flood the tunnels with fire. Hammond's experience is going to beat out Speed's speed. besides, Speed is a hair's breath away from being a one-trick pony. Hammond has been in the game for several of Speed's lifetimes. With certainty he knows how to deal with a speedster.

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Pete Wisdom vs Ms. Marvel

Marvel's most loveable ****e (disputed, sorry She-Hulk) against pedophile Pete Wisdom. This should be an interesting match. I must say before I get started, Carol Danvers is hot, like real hot, and would do you in a second. And if youre a female, you know you like to experiment, I know women. A little. Now down to the breakdown.

Like I said, they've probably shagged before.

Location IMO has no bearing on this fight, only in possible damage to the surrounding area or possible damage to debris.

This is where I disagree. The tunnels can be quite handily used for stealth.

Now, to a certain extent, we have two energy absorbers here, it all comes down to who can absorb the most energy and what rate. Im ready to conclude that Pete Wisdom would have better control of this power, but slightly. Ms. marvel could still use this power to weaken Wisdom and make him a much easier target.

Except I'd wager that, just like with many energy absorbers, they're still going to feel the damage. Ms. Marvel has endurance up the wazoo, but she's not going to be able to withstand the heat of the sun bearing down on her. It doesn't matter how much of the energy she's capable of absorbing, it's going to hurt like hell. She also has to focus to use the ability, whereas I'm pretty sure it comes naturally for Pete. A few surprise and backstabbing action should take her down. We're talking excruciating pain here.

In physical prowess Ms. marvel is clearly much stronger and has more at her disposal. Her flight powers is limited in this match unless its ok according to the rules for her to breakout of the location (which I doubt). I believe, without a doubt that Ms. marvel would beat Pete Wisdom in this match.

If the two had to go blow-to-blow, I'd agree, but that's not the case. With a little tactics, Pete can take Ms. Marvel by surprise and take her down. He only needs to give a few more hits then to finish the match off.

His power is very powerful, but Ms. Marvel could easily overpower that, shes taken much worse a hit before. Im trying not to underestimate Wisdom so Ill say that the macth wont be easy, but with Carol's enhanced durability, photon energy blast, superhuman strenght and speed, Wisdom is done for at the end of this match.

If it comes to raw power, I do believe Carol's got more of it, which is exactly why Wisdom needs to use the element of surprise. And he will. It's his job. It won't be an easy match, and he's walking away with torn clothes, but he can do this.

WINNER=PETE WISDOM

 

[hippy fascist]

BULL! he is a very powerful fire meta. others, weaker than him, have been shown to be able to incenerate completely things such as rock to stop them from falling. Besides, Hammond could simply flood the tunnels with fire. Hammond's experience is going to beat out Speed's speed. besides, Speed is a hair's breath away from being a one-trick pony. Hammond has been in the game for several of Speed's lifetimes. With certainty he knows how to deal with a speedster.

So that's the first time you've come out with a strategy rather than hammond's better...'cause he is! The reality is any fire that hammond can throw out speed can outrun. The tunnel network is gargantuan and unlike hammond speed can quickly traverse vast areas of this underground labyrinth. So while hammond is busy flooding the tunnels speed can be running right up behind him and bringing the surrounding area down around him before hammond even knows what's happened. As I said before, in an open area hammond COULD take this one but with tunnel system acting as one big amplifier for the effectiveness of speeds powers, hammond will get his ass handed to him 95/100 times.

WINNER: SPEED!

 

[Zoken]

Hey Genius, flooding the area means the fire is going in all directions. I doubt this whole "sneaking up behind him" plan is really going to work. and also, your "bring the tunnel down on him" plan has already been refuted. Hammond can melt his way through rock, burn his way through dirt and root. and vaporize the large chucks before they crush him. Besides, you are ignoring Speed's limitting factor: Gravity. he can't travel in 3 dimensions like Hammond can. he can fly circles around whatever falling debris Speed causes and navigate the tunnels better than some 14 year old wannabe. let's not forget, Speed and Hammond are both new to this place, they are going to get lost, HOWEVER, Hammond has the better shot of finding his way around and tracking Speed.

 

[Darthphere]

Match 16:

Shola Inkose (WIEGEABO) bio



vs.

Morbius (DARTHPHERE) bio

Shola Inkosi vs Morbius. First of all, I have no idea how to pronounce that guy's name, second of all Morbius is too awesome for word. Bt its time for a breakdown.

Shola Inkosi- Telekinesis Telepathy

Morbius-Biochemical vampirism grants him flight, enhanced strength and durability, hypnotism, and reliance on consuming human blood

Shola's teleptathic ability is low level, and im sure wouldnt affect Morbius at all. His telekinetic ability is key to his side of the match as he would try to bring the walls down around him.

Morbius in this match would try to do what all scary vampires do, sneak up on him, and its possible he'd hypnotize him as fast as possible before Shola can do anything. At this point, it time to feed as Morbius sucks down on his neck a bit and drains him of that delicious plasma.

Morbius wins.

 

[Darthphere]

REBUTTAL: Pete Wisdom vs Ms. Marvel

Like I said, they've probably shagged before.


This is where I disagree. The tunnels can be quite handily used for stealth.


Except I'd wager that, just like with many energy absorbers, they're still going to feel the damage. Ms. Marvel has endurance up the wazoo, but she's not going to be able to withstand the heat of the sun bearing down on her. It doesn't matter how much of the energy she's capable of absorbing, it's going to hurt like hell. She also has to focus to use the ability, whereas I'm pretty sure it comes naturally for Pete. A few surprise and backstabbing action should take her down. We're talking excruciating pain here.


If the two had to go blow-to-blow, I'd agree, but that's not the case. With a little tactics, Pete can take Ms. Marvel by surprise and take her down. He only needs to give a few more hits then to finish the match off.


If it comes to raw power, I do believe Carol's got more of it, which is exactly why Wisdom needs to use the element of surprise. And he will. It's his job. It won't be an easy match, and he's walking away with torn clothes, but he can do this.

WINNER=PETE WISDOM

Rebuttal:

See, but here youre overestimating Wisdom's stealth skills and underestimating Ms. marvel completely. Were talking about a woman who has super speed, super strenght and durability. Wisdom could run all day, but shes eventually going to catch him and whatever Wisdom can throw at her, she'll overcome. Its hard to use the caves for stealth when youre up against a woman who can bring it all down on you.

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Pete Wisdom vs Ms. Marvel

Rebuttal:

See, but here youre overestimating Wisdom's stealth skills and underestimating Ms. marvel completely. Were talking about a woman who has super speed, super strenght and durability. Wisdom could run all day, but shes eventually going to catch him and whatever Wisdom can throw at her, she'll overcome. Its hard to use the caves for stealth when youre up against a woman who can bring it all down on you.

That last strategy would be disadvantageous for her as well. Like I said, if it really came down to blows, I have no worries that Ms. Marvel would win, and I'm trying not to overestimate Wisdom's stealth abilities here, but he is a professional spy, and it's a pretty large place. I think he has the shot of winning this 6 times out of 10.

 

[hippy fascist]

Hey Genius, flooding the area means the fire is going in all directions. I doubt this whole "sneaking up behind him" plan is really going to work.

Wrong again, he cannot flood the caves as you put it as burning this hot for any continuous period of time would cause him to die. He was previously killed when trying to channel heat away from Tara. The only way he could do this is by taking a short break in between bursts in a similar way to firing a chain gun to avoid melting the barrel.Any period of time, no matter how short, would give speed the minute fraction of a second he would need to get within range and bring the tunnels down on Jim. Also given the fact that he has already pulled off several significant burns at this point he would be in a weakened state resulting in the collapse having even more of an effect on him. Thanks again for further proving my point.

and also, your "bring the tunnel down on him" plan has already been refuted. Hammond can melt his way through rock, burn his way through dirt and root. and vaporize the large chucks before they crush him.

Do you have any idea how a collapse like this would occur? Yes there would be falling chunks of rock that he could possibly melt but the real danger is the soil from above. In a split second thousands of tuns of raw earth are going to be raining down on Hammond. It will fill every square inch of the tunnel in less time than it will take for hammond to vapourise two falling boulders. It will create an airtight seal around anything in the tunnel at that point. No air=no combustion. Not only that but, due to the minute size of each grain of dirt, he will not be able to dig himself out. For each handfull of dirt he swats aside more will filter into it's place like quicksand. Hammond will be trapped within an airtight seal, buried alive. He can't burn he can't melt his way out and we've already established he can't dig his way out. Hammond is a gonner.

Besides, you are ignoring Speed's limitting factor: Gravity. he can't travel in 3 dimensions like Hammond can. he can fly circles around whatever falling debris Speed causes and navigate the tunnels better than some 14 year old wannabe. let's not forget, Speed and Hammond are both new to this place, they are going to get lost, HOWEVER, Hammond has the better shot of finding his way around and tracking Speed.

Hardly, speed can easily get to whereever he needs to be as he could circumnavigate the entire tunnel network in seconds. Secondly he doesn't need to know where he's going. Any attack hammond can throw at him speed can evaid either through distance or simple quick reflexes. He can run round all day using hit an run tactics or simply turn the tunnels against hammond and smother his flame with dirt. In open terrain hammonds flight would have won the day but down here in the caves the fact that he is basically facing someone with the powers of both rictor and quicksilver combined means he doesn't stand a chance. Speed will take him to pieces.

Also with regards the experience factor the young avengers have faced off against a skrull army and stood side by side with the avengers in battle. Speed is more the good enough to take on Hammond. In fact he's going to take him out.

WINNER: SPEED!

(let's try an keep it calm man, you're last two posts have been particularly aggressive. This is supposed to be a debate not a slanging match)

 

[Zoken]

Wrong again, he cannot flood the caves as you put it as burning this hot for any continuous period of time would cause him to die. He was previously killed when trying to channel heat away from Tara. The only way he could do this is by taking a short break in between bursts in a similar way to firing a chain gun to avoid melting the barrel.Any period of time, no matter how short, would give speed the minute fraction of a second he would need to get within range and bring the tunnels down on Jim. Also given the fact that he has already pulled off several significant burns at this point he would be in a weakened state resulting in the collapse having even more of an effect on him. Thanks again for further proving my point.

Hold up, he died because of the amount of heat he was channeling into himself, not because of prolonged use of his powers. He constantly burns so he's not going to die just because he keeps flaming for a while. I'm not talking about taking the whole tunnel system super-nova, I'm talking about him spreading a nice blanket of fire. besides, his body is adapted to burning, so you're "Gun barrel" theor goes out the window.

Do you have any idea how a collapse like this would occur? Yes there would be falling chunks of rock that he could possibly melt but the real danger is the soil from above. In a split second thousands of tuns of raw earth are going to be raining down on Hammond. It will fill every square inch of the tunnel in less time than it will take for hammond to vapourise two falling boulders. It will create an airtight seal around anything in the tunnel at that point. No air=no combustion. Not only that but, due to the minute size of each grain of dirt, he will not be able to dig himself out. For each handfull of dirt he swats aside more will filter into it's place like quicksand. Hammond will be trapped within an airtight seal, buried alive. He can't burn he can't melt his way out and we've already established he can't dig his way out. Hammond is a gonner.

we've established that he's stronger than your average man, but he can't dig out from a pile of dirt (which is what YOU are saying he's buried in)? and even the smallest amount of oxygen means he can ignite. time to review what dirt is made of. wood and rock. he can burn/melt his way through dirt, or dig his way out. I know you don't want him to, but he can.

Hardly, speed can easily get to whereever he needs to be as he could circumnavigate the entire tunnel network in seconds. Secondly he doesn't need to know where he's going. Any attack hammond can throw at him speed can evaid either through distance or simple quick reflexes. He can run round all day using hit an run tactics or simply turn the tunnels against hammond and smother his flame with dirt. In open terrain hammonds flight would have won the day but down here in the caves the fact that he is basically facing someone with the powers of both rictor and quicksilver combined means he doesn't stand a chance. Speed will take him to pieces.

He doesn't have rictor's powers, so don't claim that. he can blow things up, and he can go very fast. but Speed will be lost in the pitch blackness of the tunnels in a heart beat. he should PRAY that he stays close to the torch otherwise he will never find his way out, fall into a pit and die. I also reiterate my comment on experience and knowledge. Speed has neither where the Human Torch has a couple lifetimes worth.

Also with regards the experience factor the young avengers have faced off against a skrull army and stood side by side with the avengers in battle. Speed is more the good enough to take on Hammond. In fact he's going to take him out.

No he isn't. He stood with a team against a group who was distracted. they weren't even winning, so don't pretend like Speed is great because he was taking part in a losing battle.

(let's try an keep it calm man, you're last two posts have been particularly aggressive. This is supposed to be a debate not a slanging match)

I'm competitive, sue me.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

 

[Harlekin]

Speed - Although I would've rather seen Hammond win, hippy debated just a tad better
Shola Inkose
Multiple Man - Per 'Phere's wishes.
Pete Wisdom

 

[Darthphere]

Speed
Morbius
Mutliple Man
****ebag aka Ms. marvel.

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Jim Hammond

*Morbius

*Multiple Man

*Carol Danvers - (One of the toughest matches this week. What sucks for Darth is if Carol wins, he's going to have to choose between two of his characters again next round.)

 

[kytrigger]

Jim Hammond --really tough to decide, but I felt that Spped's...well...speed would be domewhat dampened just by the fact that he is in a place that he has never seen before and is qutei dark (fom rmy point of view at least)

Morbius

Multiple Man

Ms. Marvel

 

[Harlekin]

It seems I might have to start bribing people. Pity.



Joking...



I think.

 

[hippy fascist]

Speed (good debate though, you never gave an inch. You'd make a great salesman if you can inject a little calm)
Morbius (difficult but I think he'd find a way)
Multiple Man (phere's choice)
Pete Wisdom (great debates but I'm a sucker for an underdog with a creative debate)

 

[hippy fascist]

Results so far:

Speed currently beating Jim Hammond 3-2
Morbius currently beating Shola Inkose 4-1
Multiple Man currently beating Cannonball 5-0
Carol Danvers currently beating Pete Wisdom 3-2

 

[wiegeabo]

Jim Hammond
Shola Inkose
Multiple Man
Pete Wisdom

 

[Hellstormer]

Human Torch I (This is a no brainer when you consider the expierience he has)
Wisdom (I gotta say this underdog seems like a guy that could take her, I hope he gets more votes. He'd be a good match for Moon Knight)
Multiple Man (It's who he voted for.)
Morbius

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Speed - I hate to say this but on a flip of a coin....sorry

Ms. Marvel - if we are underground how does he absorb sun rays

Mutiple Man - it was a real difficult decision

Morbius - Being underground should favor the pseudo vampire

 

[Hellstormer]

The Pete Wisdom match is a close one.

 

[hippy fascist]

Results so far:

Speed currently drawn with Jim Hammond 4-4
Morbius currently beating Shola Inkose 6-2
Multiple Man currently beating Cannonball 8-0
Carol Danvers currently drawn with Pete Wisdom 4-4

 

[JewishHobbit]

Jim Hammond
Shola Inkose
Cannonball
Pete Wisdom

 

[Zoken]

Jim Hammond
Morbius
Multiple Man
Carol Danvers

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Speed
Shola
Multiple
Ms. Marvel