Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[Zoken]

Taskmaster Vs. Pluto

oh for the love of... Why do I have to match up one of the greatest mercenaries in the marvel universe against a GOD! not fair.

Okay, well, it isn't a first round knock-out. we are talking about a very agile man. he will probably try his best to come up with a decent contingency plan, however finding none, I figure he'll try and tire the God out. lead him on a merry chase. perhaps lead him into Castle Doom, hoping that Doom will be home, or at least have sufficient mystical defenses to weaken Pluto. in any case, Taskmaster is not one who would be daunted by facing anyone, even a god.

Taskmaster will lose 99 times out of 100, but I'm wanting you to focuse on that 1 time. He can win. he can deflect the energy blasts by replicating cap's sheild (shown to deflect most forms of energy including some mystical ones) with the device on his wrist.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

BRACKET 4,

Match 19:

Pluto (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Taskmaster (ZOKEN) bio

This is not much of a contest. You have here the Greek God of death, who is tied for 2nd (with Neptune) among the most powerful Olympians against the Taskmaster who can reproduce any movement as long as thta movement can be done by a human. Now if this was a wrestling match and Pluto was a human fighter, there would be a real battle.

However, in this case, Puto will most likely teleport within range of the Taskmaster, blast him and then leave. This battle would take no longer then a couple minutes if that.

And if you doubt what I say, here is his powers:

Pluto is class 70 abut he will not demean himself by physical fighting here.

Pluto possesses the conventional physical attributes of an Olympian god. Like all Olympians he is immortal he has not aged since reaching adulthood and cannot die by any conventional means. He is immune to all Earthly diseases and is resistant to conventional injury. If wounded, his godly life force would enable him to recover with superhuman speed; it would take an injury of such magnitude that it dispersed a major portion of his bodily molecules to cause him physical death. Even then, it may be possible for Zeus or a god of equal power to revive him. Pluto possesses superhuman strength and his Olympian metabolism gives him far greater than human endurance at all physical activities. (Olympian flesh and bone is about three times as dense as similar human tissue, contributing to the Olympians' superhuman strength and weight.)

Pluto's extraordinary energy-wielding abilities are equaled among the Olympians only by those of Neptune, and surpassed only by those of Zeus. Only a few of Pluto's many energy-wielding powers have as yet been depicted. Pluto can fire powerful force belts from his hands, erect powerful, nearly impenetrable force fields, and nearly impenetrable force fields, and create interdimensional apertures to enable him to transport himself from one dimension to another. He can weaken an opponent's strength with his touch. Pluto can create mystical flame and sheathe himself with such flame while himself remaining unharmed. Pluto can create weapons of mystical flame, such as a spear or sword of fire, which can paralyze an opponent.

Weapons: Pluto has a helmet of invisibility made for him by the Cyclopes, one-eyed giants who were trapped in Tartarus along with Pluto by Cronus. Using it, Pluto can make himself magically invisible even to other Olympians.

Pluto wields a large battleaxe through which he can project and focus his force bolts (although he is fully capable of projecting the bolts without it). The battleaxe is made of enchanted adamantine and is virtually indestructible. One of the axes was smashed by a spell of the Norns in recent years but Pluto has others. All of them were constructed for Pluto by the Cyclopes.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Taskmaster Vs. Pluto

oh for the love of... Why do I have to match up one of the greatest mercenaries in the marvel universe against a GOD! not fair.[/b]

And against 1 of the top 3 Olympian Gods at that....The God of Death

Okay, well, it isn't a first round knock-out.

I actually think it would be

we are talking about a very agile man.

And Pluto is an Olympian with Olympian reflexes and speed which are considerably greater then a Human.

he will probably try his best to come up with a decent contingency plan, however finding none, I figure he'll try and tire the God out.

So you claim that a Human will try and tire an Immortal Olympian God.....hmm seems unlikely at best to me.

lead him on a merry chase. perhaps lead him into Castle Doom, hoping that Doom will be home, or at least have sufficient mystical defenses to weaken Pluto. in any case, Taskmaster is not one who would be daunted by facing anyone, even a god.

He is told that he be facing Pluto and unless he never went to school would at least know the mythology behind Pluto (Hades) and you are saying he would not be daunted. I find that surprising.

Taskmaster will lose 99 times out of 100, but I'm wanting you to focuse on that 1 time. He can win. he can deflect the energy blasts by replicating cap's sheild (shown to deflect most forms of energy including some mystical ones) with the device on his wrist.

Actually make it, he would lose 100/100. I have been pretty fair in my debates and I say when I think I am beaten. I am surprised you feel you can actually win this match.

Just so you know even if he could deflect the blasts, which is doubtful, if Pluto touches him he will be severely weakenned and Pluto could crush him or Pluto could suimply hold him and transport him to his home....the land of death where he is King.

Pluto is so overwhelmingly powerful that Taskmaster's best strategy would be to surrender....at least he would still be alive.

 

[Zoken]

Taskmaster Vs. Pluto

I'm sorry Ahura, did at some point I make it seem like Tasky had a GOOD chance at winning? I said it was slim. now he has faced off against the Avengers multiple times and is a sufficient enemy to hold them all back. and let me straighten out your facts here. Pluto is tied with Neptune AND Ares, behind Zeus AND Herakles. so try and keep things straight and not overstate your character.

Now yes, for the most part Tasky is boned beyond all hope. but he is one of the greatest human mercenaries on the planet. There is a slim, extremely slim, NARROW chance that he could win.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Taskmaster Vs. Pluto

I'm sorry Ahura, did at some point I make it seem like Tasky had a GOOD chance at winning? I said it was slim. now he has faced off against the Avengers multiple times and is a sufficient enemy to hold them all back. and let me straighten out your facts here. Pluto is tied with Neptune AND Ares, behind Zeus AND Herakles. so try and keep things straight and not overstate your character.

Actually in terms of power he is above Herakles. herakles is only more powerful in terms of strength whereas Pluto is fighting more as an energy wielder.

With regard to Ares, he should also be more powerful but Pluto has appeared very little and Ares quite a bit more.

Pluto is among the top 3 of the Olympian Gods: Zeus, Poseidon and Hades. These three are on another level from the other Olympians.

They shared the Sea, Sky and Underworld between themselves by drawing lots.

Ares is a progeny of Zeus and I believe Hera. He is the God of War but he can do nothing against the God of Death.

All that I say above makes very little difference for this match because Taskmaster cannot reproduce superhuman strength or energy wielding but I state it to affirm what I declared in an earlier post.

Now yes, for the most part Tasky is boned beyond all hope. but he is one of the greatest human mercenaries on the planet. There is a slim, extremely slim, NARROW chance that he could win.

OK well I don't know what he could do to win and I say that in all honesty as I can often figure out ways my own characters can lose against their opponent but here I am having problems. I do not want to know if you want to really debate this or not but if you do I need more then he has a narrow chance....

 

[Zoken]

Actually in terms of power he is above Herakles. herakles is only more powerful in terms of strength whereas Pluto is fighting more as an energy wielder.

With regard to Ares, he should also be more powerful but Pluto has appeared very little and Ares quite a bit more.

Pluto is among the top 3 of the Olympian Gods: Zeus, Poseidon and Hades. These three are on another level from the other Olympians.

They shared the Sea, Sky and Underworld between themselves by drawing lots.

Ares is a progeny of Zeus and I believe Hera. He is the God of War but he can do nothing against the God of Death.

All that I say above makes very little difference for this match because Taskmaster cannot reproduce superhuman strength or energy wielding but I state it to affirm what I declared in an earlier post.

wow, nice knowledge of mythology, but we aren't talking about mythology. We're talking about comics and by the soure of your bio Herakles is stronger than him, and Ares is equally as powerful. deal with it.

OK well I don't know what he could do to win and I say that in all honesty as I can often figure out ways my own characters can lose against their opponent but here I am having problems. I do not want to know if you want to really debate this or not but if you do I need more then he has a narrow chance....

Bull. You assume the best of your characters and bullheadedly argue despite what anyone says to the contrary. You don't look at your own characters faults, so don't act all understanding. you have annoyed me several times in this contest and you are really getting on my very last nerve. I've admitted that most of the time this kind of face off will result in Tasky getting slaughtered, but you keep ripping at the idea that he might survive. Tasky has faced the Avengers (INCLUDING THOR was what I was hammering at), he's not going down without a fight he has hope. Now for your information, the only reasons I won't be voting for Pluto in this match up is that Taskmaster is a great character that got put in a bad fight, and you tick me off more than words can express.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

wow, nice knowledge of mythology, but we aren't talking about mythology. We're talking about comics and by the soure of your bio Herakles is stronger than him, and Ares is equally as powerful. deal with it.

Ok then read the Marvel bio...his energy wielding powers are only equaled by those of Poseidon and exceeded by Zeus, his strength is equaled by Ares and exceeded by Zeus and Hercules. I was speaking total power and the top 3 Marvel Olympian Gods are Hades, Poseidon and Zeus.

In any case, I do not know why we are arguiing this as it would have no bearing on this match.

Bull. You assume the best of your characters and bullheadedly argue despite what anyone says to the contrary.

Which is why I forfeited my Warpath match against Kytriggerm, and my Wolfesbane match against Jewish Hobbit.

Yes I debate my character as much as I can and I do try and think up of ways to win. I thought that was the name of the game here.

You don't look at your own characters faults, so don't act all understanding. you have annoyed me several times in this contest and you are really getting on my very last nerve. I've admitted that most of the time this kind of face off will result in Tasky getting slaughtered, but you keep ripping at the idea that he might survive. Tasky has faced the Avengers (INCLUDING THOR was what I was hammering at), he's not going down without a fight he has hope. Now for your information, the only reasons I won't be voting for Pluto in this match up is that Taskmaster is a great character that got put in a bad fight, and you tick me off more than words can express.

First of all, I may not affirm a weakness of my character during a debate because I do not want to lose but I do not see others doing things differently.

Second of all, if my debating is getting on your last nerve....then fin, I will stop debating. I really take offense at this because all I have done is debated the characters and never the people behind the charcaters, I did not see Hippy or Kytrigger complaining.

Thank you for telling me how you will vote but it was unnecesary.

I will also go into the discussion thread and ask if others would rather I leave.

Have a nice day.

 

[Midnight Ice]

Protocide (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

vs.

Devos The Devestator (POWDERMAN) bio

Ok, this could certainly be a tough match, but so far Powderman hasn't debated, which I am sure he will.

I think that Devos would underestimate Protocide with thier initial confrontatioin. Protocide does not get tired or worn out, wich would obviously work to his advantage. Protocide would use Castle Doom's many defenses to his advantage to trap or take out Devos.

Winner: Protocide

 

[Midnight Ice]

Kane - Weapon X (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Bulldozer (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

Ok, lets look again at Bulldozer's powers:Bulldozer possess superhuman strength and a high degree of imperviousness to harm. He can withstand high amounts of concussive force, and is virtually bulletproof. Bulldozer's power augmented his entire body, strengthening his bone, muscle, and flesh. Because of his particular talent (Head-Butting and Ramming), he has greater strength in his neck, shoulders, and legs than the other members of The Wrecking Crew, save perhaps the Wrecker himself.

Since Bulldozer is practically invurnerable and impervious to harm, I don't see a whole lot that Kane can do to him. Once Bulldozer attacked Kane, it would be over.

Winner: Bulldozer

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, lets look again at Bulldozer's powers:Bulldozer possess superhuman strength and a high degree of imperviousness to harm. He can withstand high amounts of concussive force, and is virtually bulletproof. Bulldozer's power augmented his entire body, strengthening his bone, muscle, and flesh. Because of his particular talent (Head-Butting and Ramming), he has greater strength in his neck, shoulders, and legs than the other members of The Wrecking Crew, save perhaps the Wrecker himself.

Since Bulldozer is practically invurnerable and impervious to harm, I don't see a whole lot that Kane can do to him. Once Bulldozer attacked Kane, it would be over.

This is a case where a bio makes a character seem much more than they are. Even though it would seem that "Bulldozer is practically invulnerable and impervious to harm," this is, in fact, not the case. I provide my first example:

"During The Secret Wars, Spider-Man was able to knock out Bulldozer with one punch."

Yet more:

"Over the years the Wrecking Crew have perpetuated a very familiar cycle - escape prison, fight and subsequently lose to superheroes, and return to prison."

"When the Wrecking Crew first battled Thor, they were confident that it would be a quick victory. Thor, however, defeated them all in moments and critically injured the Wrecker."

Basically, as pointed out and as frequent readers of Marvel Comics will know, the Wrecking Crew has been defeated numerous times, from such people as Captain America, Spider-Man, Thor, and The Thing. Also, many times, this was the entire Wrecking Crew versus one superhero, like in the first match versus Thor. Plus, the biggest disadvantage which almost argues the point of whether the Wrecking Crew should even be considered in this contest, is the fact that when they are away from each other, their powers tend to go away. Really, it would be no problem to one as experienced as Kane to defeat Bulldozer. Bulldozer can be knocked out, and Kane has the weapons and ablilities to use other mutants powers to his advantage.

Winner = Kane

 

[Darthphere]

Match 20:

Baron Blood (DARTHPHERE) bio

vs.

Grey Gargoyle (TRIGGER) bio

What a perfect setting for this match. Baron Blood vs Grey Gargoyle. It couldn't have written itself.

Breakdown:

Baron Blood:Superhuman strength Hypnosis Animal control Weather control Flight

Grey gargoyle: Touch turns any substance into inert stone
By touching self transforms into mobile stone form with superhuman strength and durability

This match goes fairly easily considering with Baron Blood's powers it would be impossible for Grey Gargoyle to even get near him to touch him.

Baron would use his hypnosis on Grey Gargoyle and have him under his command. In the process shutting down his powers and leaving him quite vulnerable.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

(Remember, you must read through all of this weeks debates before voting. The debates should be the largest percentage of reason for the way you vote; but, they do not have to be the sole reason for your decision.)

 

[hippy fascist]

Baron Blood (You debate you win)
Pluto (Just too strong)
Protocide (you debate you win)
Kane (Debate swung it for me but tough cause I love the wrecking crew)

 

[kytrigger]

Baron Blood
Pluto
Protocide (i actually think he would be destroyed but you debated)
Kane (tough one to choose, but Kane's choice of ways to attack swung it for me)

 

[wiegeabo]

Baron Blood
Pluto (wish Taskmaster had a better matchup)
Devos the Devistator
Kane

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Devos The Devastator - (Even though you debated, in my opinion, Proticide doesn't stand a chance in Hades of winning this match.)

*Baron Blood - (While Grey Gargoyle has a good chance of winning this, the debate did make me see how Baron could win. Without a rebuttal, you get the match.)

*Pluto

*Kane-Weapon X

 

[hippy fascist]

Results so far

Kane is Beating Bulldozer 4-0
Protocide is currently drawn with Devos the destroyer 2-2
Baron Blood is currently beating Grey Gargoyle 4-0
Pluto is currently beating taskmaster 4-0

 

[DarkHellRider]

kane
baron blood
protocidde
pluto

 

[Harlekin]

Kane
Protocide - Them's my personal rules: Debate, win.
Baron Blood - Debate, win.
Pluto

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Kane
Protocide - he should lose but do not think it would be fair
Baron Blood - bit of the same issue
Pluto

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Kane
Proto
Baron
Pluto

 

[Darren Daring]

Kane
Protocide
Baron Blood
Pluto

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results so far:

Kane is currently beating Bulldozer 9-0
Protocide is currently drawn with Devos the destroyer 7-2
Baron Blood is currently beating Grey Gargoyle 9-0
Pluto is currently beating Taskmaster 9-0

 

[Hellstormer]

Kane
Devos the Destroyer
Baron Blood
Pluto

 

[JewishHobbit]

Kane
Protocide
Baron Blood
Pluto