Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Hmmmm this is interesting; I have 2 battles where all I can do is sit and wait. I just hope when you guys finish thinking I will be around to show you how many mistakes you made in your strategy ;)
 
Skin Vs Vidar

Skin loses..... but not without a fight! Okay, this is a long shot, but it's worth mentioning. First off, yes, we know that Vidar is an asguardian God, and a heck of one, and that Skin... has 6 feet of extra skin, but let's not underplay the guy. First off, he's singlehandedly defeated an actual real to life Dragon (Generation X issue 8 or 9 or so). Secondly, he went up against X-Cutioner alone and kicked the crap out of the guy. Doesn't sound like much, but when you consider that X-Cutioner kicked the crap out of Colossus when they fought, that says a lot about Skin. So what exactly do these things say? It says that though he isn't impressive in the power aspect, he's got some great street smarts that can prove valuable. And though Vidar is a heck of an asguardian, he can be wounded and killed, as he was slain when speared.

Okay, so here's the deal... Location does squat for either contestant. As for knowing one another... they don't... save that Skin's name is Skin and Vidar's name is an asguardian's name (and eveyrone knows asguardians) so we get an idea of who each other are. Skin will know that he's out classed, and though he'll hate it, he'll have to bring some insurance. Vidar will see the little grey boy and will prepare for battle.

The day comes, and they arrive in a local town. They both instantly stick out, but I think Vidar would more than Skin. Yeah, Skin's grey, but Vidar looks like he wants to hurt someone. Skin would quickly find a cloak or smock or something to cover himself with as the crowd begins to panic over the strangers in their midsts, and he blends in. Vidar begins to hunt him. I won't draw it out, but basically, Skin will use similar tactics as when he went against X-Cutioner. He will hide and play games with Vidar. He will keep the asguardian running trying to find him (with several close calls), but he won't come near enough to land a blow. Skin, however, is a hood, so he knows a little about cheating. Things will happen such as Skin hotwiring a car and putting a rock on the pedal, and when Vidar turns a corner, a car's heading right for him. He'd probably dodge it, but little things like this is what keeps Skin alive. I don't know how intelligent Vidar is, but if he sees the car and simply breaks it with his sword or something, it could explode, and REALLY work in Skin's favor, but not knowing Vidar better, I won't say that that Will happen.

Anyhow, so Skin's on the run, thinking on his feet. Finally, one encounter comes where Vidar catches up to him and Skin has nowhere to go. He spots a fire hidreant and as Vidar chases him, Skin smiles and charges as well. This appears suicidal, but Skin sends a strand of skin to the hidrant and breaks it's seal. A blast of water catches Vidar's leg, throwing him off balance as the two clash, and Skin dips to the side as Vidar's balance is off and his sword swing is off, and Skin digs his knife as deep into Vidar's bicep as possible. It may not go too deep, but it does enough damage to wound Vidar's arm. Skin quickly continues to run as Vidar regains his footing. Eventually Skin gets in a car and hotwires it, and drives toward Vidar. Vidar sees him coming and dodges being run over, but clings to the hood. SKin then floors it right into a wall as he leaps out, sending Vidar through the wall.

Basically, little things like this are what keeps Skin alive and wears Vidar out, though his wrath gets greater. However, Skin won't be able to run forever, and there will come a time when he is caught. Skin has his 'insurance' still in mind, but is dodging it at all costs. However, once Vidar catches him, they will be in a struggle. Skin can see that he's greatly out matched and that his life is in danger, and so with much regrets he pulls his insurance. He pulls his old gun from his waist as Vidar takes him to the ground, and fires off a shot.

I don't know how Asguardian's do with bullets. If they can be harmed by them, then a bullet to the stomach should do the trick, or one to the chest or crotch. If bullets cannot pierce Asguardian skin, then Skin does what I'd imagine he'd do first anyhow, he'd put it right in Vidar's eye or mouth and fire.

Either way, the gunblast will be one puts Vidar Down, and leaves Skin have beaten and surprised as all get out that he's still alive.

Like I said, it's a stretch, but I think he's proven in the past that he's got enough street smarts to make it happen.

Winner - Skin
 
Rebuttal

Well first of all, that was an interesting read.

JewishHobbit said:
Skin loses..... but not without a fight!

Glad we agree ;)

JewishHobbit said:
Okay, this is a long shot, but it's worth mentioning. First off, yes, we know that Vidar is an asguardian God, and a heck of one, and that Skin... has 6 feet of extra skin, but let's not underplay the guy. First off, he's singlehandedly defeated an actual real to life Dragon (Generation X issue 8 or 9 or so). Secondly, he went up against X-Cutioner alone and kicked the crap out of the guy. Doesn't sound like much, but when you consider that X-Cutioner kicked the crap out of Colossus when they fought, that says a lot about Skin. So what exactly do these things say? It says that though he isn't impressive in the power aspect, he's got some great street smarts that can prove valuable. And though Vidar is a heck of an asguardian, he can be wounded and killed, as he was slain when speared.


First of all he was slain by trolls with weapons of special fabric and wielded by creatures of incredible strength. We are no where near that situation today.

JewishHobbit said:
Okay, so here's the deal... Location does squat for either contestant. As for knowing one another... they don't... save that Skin's name is Skin and Vidar's name is an asguardian's name (and eveyrone knows asguardians) so we get an idea of who each other are. Skin will know that he's out classed, and though he'll hate it, he'll have to bring some insurance. Vidar will see the little grey boy and will prepare for battle.

The day comes, and they arrive in a local town. They both instantly stick out, but I think Vidar would more than Skin. Yeah, Skin's grey, but Vidar looks like he wants to hurt someone. Skin would quickly find a cloak or smock or something to cover himself with as the crowd begins to panic over the strangers in their midsts, and he blends in. Vidar begins to hunt him. I won't draw it out, but basically, Skin will use similar tactics as when he went against X-Cutioner. He will hide and play games with Vidar. He will keep the asguardian running trying to find him (with several close calls), but he won't come near enough to land a blow. Skin, however, is a hood, so he knows a little about cheating. Things will happen such as Skin hotwiring a car and putting a rock on the pedal, and when Vidar turns a corner, a car's heading right for him. He'd probably dodge it, but little things like this is what keeps Skin alive. I don't know how intelligent Vidar is, but if he sees the car and simply breaks it with his sword or something, it could explode, and REALLY work in Skin's favor, but not knowing Vidar better, I won't say that that Will happen.

Anyhow, so Skin's on the run, thinking on his feet. Finally, one encounter comes where Vidar catches up to him and Skin has nowhere to go. He spots a fire hidreant and as Vidar chases him, Skin smiles and charges as well. This appears suicidal, but Skin sends a strand of skin to the hidrant and breaks it's seal. A blast of water catches Vidar's leg, throwing him off balance as the two clash, and Skin dips to the side as Vidar's balance is off and his sword swing is off, and Skin digs his knife as deep into Vidar's bicep as possible. It may not go too deep, but it does enough damage to wound Vidar's arm. Skin quickly continues to run as Vidar regains his footing. Eventually Skin gets in a car and hotwires it, and drives toward Vidar. Vidar sees him coming and dodges being run over, but clings to the hood. SKin then floors it right into a wall as he leaps out, sending Vidar through the wall.

Basically, little things like this are what keeps Skin alive and wears Vidar out, though his wrath gets greater. However, Skin won't be able to run forever, and there will come a time when he is caught. Skin has his 'insurance' still in mind, but is dodging it at all costs. However, once Vidar catches him, they will be in a struggle. Skin can see that he's greatly out matched and that his life is in danger, and so with much regrets he pulls his insurance. He pulls his old gun from his waist as Vidar takes him to the ground, and fires off a shot.

I don't know how Asguardian's do with bullets. If they can be harmed by them, then a bullet to the stomach should do the trick, or one to the chest or crotch. If bullets cannot pierce Asguardian skin, then Skin does what I'd imagine he'd do first anyhow, he'd put it right in Vidar's eye or mouth and fire.

Either way, the gunblast will be one puts Vidar Down, and leaves Skin have beaten and surprised as all get out that he's still alive.

Like I said, it's a stretch, but I think he's proven in the past that he's got enough street smarts to make it happen.


Well I will give it to you that Skin could be better concealed because Vidar among other things is 10 ft tall. However, lets not forget that Vidar is a God ....and you may ask a god of what ...well he is the God of the Hunt. Therefore you may be underestimating his hunting skills.

Second the car hitting him would get hurt worse then Vidar. He has greater then normal average ASgardian resistance to damage.

In addition, bullets would bounce off of him. You also seem to forget that he moves fast enough to knock Skin out as soon as he is close enough which can be quite a distance given his reach and the use of a staff or sword which is appropriate to a 10ft tall God.
 
Ahura Mazda said:
Rebuttal

Well first of all, that was an interesting read.

Heh, I had to give it a shot. I'm down with the hood :)

First of all he was slain by trolls with weapons of special fabric and wielded by creatures of incredible strength. We are no where near that situation today.

You're ruining my plan of 'telling the truth without all the facts!' Heh, honestly, I had forgotten about the special weapon thing, but I think you're right. However, I don't recall them ever mentioning he was speared by Trolls, but being that many Trolls were in Loki's army, you're probably right. Point is... Crap.

Well I will give it to you that Skin could be better concealed because Vidar among other things is 10 ft tall. However, lets not forget that Vidar is a God ....and you may ask a god of what ...well he is the God of the Hunt. Therefore you may be underestimating his hunting skills.

Oh I wasn't belittling his hunting skills, he was on Skin's butt the whole time until he finally caught him. I didn't mean to make it sound like he was a wondering child looking for a toy.

Second the car hitting him would get hurt worse then Vidar. He has greater then normal average ASgardian resistance to damage.

The idea was to distract him in that fashion, not necessarilly hurt him. I was just hoping that that would be an added perk.

In addition, bullets would bounce off of him. You also seem to forget that he moves fast enough to knock Skin out as soon as he is close enough which can be quite a distance given his reach and the use of a staff or sword which is appropriate to a 10ft tall God.

I mentioned that if the bullets would bounce off, then that Skin could fire them into his mouth or eyes. He'd hide the gun in his skin like it's mallet or something, and then pull the tip out and fire when he's close enough to make the shot (I'm thinking close enough means rolling on the ground fighting for his life). One in the eye will hurt even an asguardian, and I'm thinking in the mouth would do just as much damage. In the ear would also be great, as it'd blow an eardrum at least and throw off all balance, cause a massive headache, and a lot of pain. If that doesn't take Vidar out, then Skin at least finally has an advantage and can keep working his streetsmart magic. Push come to shove he could use Vidar's disorientation of a gunshot to the ear to tople a building on top of him. With him going through vertigo or whatever comes with a busted eardrum, there'd be a lot of weight on top of him, and i think he'd be stuck long enough to be considered immobleized.

Winner - Skin
 
JewishHobbit said:
You're ruining my plan of 'telling the truth without all the facts!' Heh, honestly, I had forgotten about the special weapon thing, but I think you're right. However, I don't recall them ever mentioning he was speared by Trolls, but being that many Trolls were in Loki's army, you're probably right. Point is... Crap.

Sorry I should shut up next time...;)



JewishHobbit said:
Oh I wasn't belittling his hunting skills, he was on Skin's butt the whole time until he finally caught him. I didn't mean to make it sound like he was a wondering child looking for a toy.

It is just that you seem to have given Skin time to develop his "street magic" whereas Vidar would be on top of him immediately and as he is also considerably faster.....Vidar would catch him



JewishHobbit said:
The idea was to distract him in that fashion, not necessarilly hurt him. I was just hoping that that would be an added perk.

You seem to fail to mention if Skin is in the car driving it, as soon as he hits Vidar, the car would be crushed and he would either be wedged in the car or come flying through the windscreen. I would think Skin would be really hurt even if his skin is not torn.


JewishHobbit said:
I mentioned that if the bullets would bounce off, then that Skin could fire them into his mouth or eyes. He'd hide the gun in his skin like it's mallet or something, and then pull the tip out and fire when he's close enough to make the shot (I'm thinking close enough means rolling on the ground fighting for his life). One in the eye will hurt even an asguardian, and I'm thinking in the mouth would do just as much damage. In the ear would also be great, as it'd blow an eardrum at least and throw off all balance, cause a massive headache, and a lot of pain. If that doesn't take Vidar out, then Skin at least finally has an advantage and can keep working his streetsmart magic. Push come to shove he could use Vidar's disorientation of a gunshot to the ear to tople a building on top of him. With him going through vertigo or whatever comes with a busted eardrum, there'd be a lot of weight on top of him, and i think he'd be stuck long enough to be considered immobilized.

I understand this tactic...my only point being how does Skin aim it into his eardrum. Does this assume that Vidar picks him up and just holds him.... My whole tactic is simply based on Vidar knocking Skin out with his staff...not for Vidar to bear hug Skin.

You know you are reaching and I guess with a character who has powers like Skin, all you can do is reach. However, Skin is outclassed by far with a half giant like Vidar.
 
Ahura Mazda said:
It is just that you seem to have given Skin time to develop his "street magic" whereas Vidar would be on top of him immediately and as he is also considerably faster.....Vidar would catch him

'Street Magic' isn't developed in time... it's there and natural. Skin's mind would be figuring out what to do before he needs to do it. He's a former gang member that I'm sure has messed up a lot of people larger and stronger than he, and I'm sure he'd go into this match with the same mindset as then. And Vidar probably is faster, and he's a good hunter, but he's got to sift through a whole town of people looking for Skin, who is where something to make him blend in. I don't doubt that Vidar could find him, but it'd take a little time, and that's all the time Skin needs to set his street smarts in gear.

You seem to fail to mention if Skin is in the car driving it, as soon as he hits Vidar, the car would be crushed and he would either be wedged in the car or come flying through the windscreen. I would think Skin would be really hurt even if his skin is not torn.

The first time I mention that he ties a brick to the petal, meaning that Skin isn't in the car. The second car he uses, I meantion that he leaps out before sending it and Vidar through a wall. And if Skin drives toward Vidar, and instead of him getting on top of it, he tries to bash it, Skin will see the spear or whatever raising and woudl know to watch out. He would bail then too, and if Vidar drove the spear through the car, or bashed it, it'd go kaboom, helping skin in the long run.

I understand this tactic...my only point being how does Skin aim it into his eardrum. Does this assume that Vidar picks him up and just holds him.... My whole tactic is simply based on Vidar knocking Skin out with his staff...not for Vidar to bear hug Skin.

True, my tactic was for the bearhug ideal. If Vidar just swung with his staff, keep in mind that Skin's fairly quick as well. He'd probably grab Vidar's arm with his skin and redirect it to miss him, and wrap Vidar with his skin enough for him to get close with the gun, place in ear, and shoot. It's possible with and without the bear hug, it just made it easier. Both would work though.

You know you are reaching and I guess with a character who has powers like Skin, all you can do is reach. However, Skin is outclassed by far with a half giant like Vidar.

Yup... I'm indeed reaching... but when I have several 'hopeless' matches in one week... I have to reach. NEVER SAY DIE!!!
 
JewishHobbit said:
'Street Magic' isn't developed in time... it's there and natural. Skin's mind would be figuring out what to do before he needs to do it. He's a former gang member that I'm sure has messed up a lot of people larger and stronger than he, and I'm sure he'd go into this match with the same mindset as then. And Vidar probably is faster, and he's a good hunter, but he's got to sift through a whole town of people looking for Skin, who is where something to make him blend in. I don't doubt that Vidar could find him, but it'd take a little time, and that's all the time Skin needs to set his street smarts in gear.

Well I am not sure on how much time Skin would have but given that Vidar is God of the Hunt, it may just be seconds and not the hour Skin would need.



JewishHobbit said:
The first time I mention that he ties a brick to the petal, meaning that Skin isn't in the car. The second car he uses, I meantion that he leaps out before sending it and Vidar through a wall. And if Skin drives toward Vidar, and instead of him getting on top of it, he tries to bash it, Skin will see the spear or whatever raising and woudl know to watch out. He would bail then too, and if Vidar drove the spear through the car, or bashed it, it'd go kaboom, helping skin in the long run.

I apologise for that was my error...and to be honest I think Vidar would just step aside the vehicle that is slower then him...


JewishHobbit said:
True, my tactic was for the bearhug ideal. If Vidar just swung with his staff, keep in mind that Skin's fairly quick as well. He'd probably grab Vidar's arm with his skin and redirect it to miss him, and wrap Vidar with his skin enough for him to get close with the gun, place in ear, and shoot. It's possible with and without the bear hug, it just made it easier. Both would work though.

If an Asgardian warrior who is an expert with a staff and that has a reach of over 18 ft (with his staff) Skin is getting no way near Vidar, plus Skin is no where near as quick as Vidar. He may be quicker then the average human but an Asgardian...give me a break


JewishHobbit said:
Yup... I'm indeed reaching... but when I have several 'hopeless' matches in one week... I have to reach. NEVER SAY DIE!!!

Hey I find it admirable because when it came to my hopeless match I just laid down and died, the one I had against Kaine.....

By the way, at this point I am willling to let the voters decide
 
Rachel Grey VS Piledriver

This really is a toughie. Piledriver ain't well-known for beating up psychics and crazy "I-want-my-mommy" lady is packing some serious heat. However, there is one way he could win.

The Rundown

Rachel's a psychic. She moves things with her mind, and with the right amount of work, she would have poor ol' Piledriver dead and buried with little work. However, Piledriver would still give her a run for her money.

One thing that we all have to consider is that Pilerdriver has fought some of the worst of the worst. Even with her powers, it'd take alot of damage for Piledriver to go down. His enhancements make him several times stronger than an Asgardian. Being thrown around would hardly stop him from attacking. In fact, one could argue that having a resistance to magic might give him an edge over a psychic.

So how could even launch an assault? Simple. Transia's villagers would make for simple fodder. Without the Phoenix Force, Rachel could be overwhelmed very easily if one tried hard enough, and a villain facing a strong psychic damn sure would. So to do this, Piledriver would simply have to start tossing women and children while moving towards her. With his reflexes being what they are, and Rachel having the emotional strength of a small child, this strategy would at least help him gain some ground in this fight.

Also, enhanced agility and speed would make getting to her a sinch. Once he got to her all he'd have to do is snap her neck. Or punch a hole in her chest, or WORSE [insert villainous laughter].

Winner by a hair is PileDriver.:o

P.S. - A vote for Facist is a vote for kitten eaters. :p
 
Trigger said:
Rachel Grey VS Piledriver

This really is a toughie. Piledriver ain't well-known for beating up psychics and crazy "I-want-my-mommy" lady is packing some serious heat. However, there is one way he could win.

The Rundown

Rachel's a psychic. She moves things with her mind, and with the right amount of work, she would have poor ol' Piledriver dead and buried with little work. However, Piledriver would still give her a run for her money.

First off she's both telekenetik and telepathic meaning she can "move things with her mind" (right down to the atomic level!) and also control minds.

One thing that we all have to consider is that Pilerdriver has fought some of the worst of the worst. Even with her powers, it'd take alot of damage for Piledriver to go down. His enhancements make him several times stronger than an Asgardian. Being thrown around would hardly stop him from attacking. In fact, one could argue that having a resistance to magic might give him an edge over a psychic.

Ok, to quote the marvel.com biography on this one:

Powers Piledriver shares the Asgardian enchantment originally given to the Wrecker, becoming transformed into a being of superhuman power, slightly less than an Asgardian god. He possesses vast superhuman strength and a high degree of invulnerability with some resistance to cold, heat, fire, corrosives and toxins. (When the Wrecking Crew believed their enchantment was fading, they sought augmentation by geneticist Arnim Zola, who used scientific means to restore their power.) Abilities Piledriver is a brutish street brawler.

First up he is actually slightly LESS powerful than an asgardian.

Secondly magic and psychic forces are completely seperate. In fact pretty much the ONLY thing he isn't invulnerable to is psychic attacks. If rachel gave him a dose he'd think a braintumour was a birthday present (anyone who gets that reference earns my undying respect :word: ).

So how could even launch an assault? Simple. Transia's villagers would make for simple fodder. Without the Phoenix Force, Rachel could be overwhelmed very easily if one tried hard enough, and a villain facing a strong psychic damn sure would. So to do this, Piledriver would simply have to start tossing women and children while moving towards her. With his reflexes being what they are, and Rachel having the emotional strength of a small child, this strategy would at least help him gain some ground in this fight.

All this is going to do is piss her off, as an unstable individual to begin with all this will do is remove any restraint she may have otherwise shown. She still has the phoenix force (not to previous heights of its powers but she still has a portion of it) and an angry phoenix was enough to scare the **** out of the SHI-AR for over ten years REAL-TIME after their last encounter with it. The worst thing he can do is go for a psychological attack. This isn't polaris we're talking about, This Rachel (to quote my opponent) :woot: I want my Mommy" Summers!

Also, enhanced agility and speed would make getting to her a sinch. Once he got to her all he'd have to do is snap her neck. Or punch a hole in her chest, or WORSE [insert villainous laughter].

Two things:Firstly, he is neither light and nimble nor quick as pietro. Meaning if he made a run for her rachel would see him coming a mile off.

Secondly, rachel can use her telekenesis to fly. Your argument assumes she will be on the ground using her powers. Rachel is going to be doing everything in her power to avoid a hand to hand encounter. She will be off the ground either ****ing with his head to the point he will either break down or quit, or blasting him with enough psychic energy to power a small country for a year.

Winner by a hair is PileDriver.:o

P.S. - A vote for Facist is a vote for kitten eaters. :p

Who else was a kitten eater? Spike From Buffy/Angel...A vote for Trigger is a vote against Joss Whedon and therefore against Astonishing X-Men/Runaways. :oldrazz: :oldrazz: :oldrazz:

WINNER:RACHEL GREY
 
Ahura Mazda said:
Well I am not sure on how much time Skin would have but given that Vidar is God of the Hunt, it may just be seconds and not the hour Skin would need.

The fun of street smarts is that it comes to you instantly... no hour required.. just a few moments.

I apologise for that was my error...and to be honest I think Vidar would just step aside the vehicle that is slower then him...

Easy response... Skin would strategically open the door in passing, hitting the large Asguardian in the crotch... winning the match.

If an Asgardian warrior who is an expert with a staff and that has a reach of over 18 ft (with his staff) Skin is getting no way near Vidar, plus Skin is no where near as quick as Vidar. He may be quicker then the average human but an Asgardian...give me a break

He doesn't have to be quicker... just smarter.

Hey I find it admirable because when it came to my hopeless match I just laid down and died, the one I had against Kaine.....

And I appreciate that :)

By the way, at this point I am willling to let the voters decide

You and me both. I have a match in all four threads, and in my opinion two of them are close and the other two would be major upsets if I win. I've debated my butt off! I need a break.
 
JewishHobbit said:
You and me both. I have a match in all four threads, and in my opinion two of them are close and the other two would be major upsets if I win. I've debated my butt off! I need a break.


Ok well I guess we will wait to see the verdict....
 
Ah, quit your whinin'. 6 matches for me, two of which are rematches. Aye carumba.
 
*Vidar

*Rachel Grey

*Pulsar

*Hogun - (Wasp does have a chance, but without a debate...)
 
Rachel Grey

Vidar

Pulsar (I hate puma, such a pointless character. Plus to follow Harlekin's Lead: You debate, you get my vote)

Hogun (Again I think with a good debate wasp could have nailed this. She's probably the most underated avenger of all time. She could have won, but no debate no vote :csad: )
 
Skin
Rachel Grey
Pulsar
- Wanted to vote for Puma, but I don't think he'd really win, so I didn't :(
Hogun
 
Vidar (although I now think Skin could make a fight of it and last a while)
Rachel Grey
Puma
Hogun
 
Results So Far:

Vidar currently beating Skin 3-2
Rachel Grey currently beating Piledriver 5-0
Pulsar currently beating Puma 4-1
Hogun currently beating Wasp 5-0
 
Vidar - Great attempt by JH, but sorry, Vidar's just too powerful
Rachel Grey - Same here
Pulsar - Obviously
Hogun - You know the rule
 
Vidar - I honestly did not see how Skin could take this but props to JH for trying
Rachel Grey - Could see the battle only going one way
Pulsar - Seemed a foregone conclusion
Hogun - I did not expect to win this one as I saw many ways for Wasp to take this but someone was being kind to me :D
 
Skin
Piledriver :)
Pulsar - Is it sad when even I don't think he can win?
Wasp
 

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