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It wasn't a pity vote, she could take him.Ahura Mazda said:Well done to the winners!
And thanks for the pity vote to Wolfesbane
Contest of Marvels II Thread 4
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Against the vast majority of opponents, Mystique would prove a worthy foe. Against the emotionally vulnerable Lorna Dane, the ***** is going to have a field day. From their time together in X-Factor (and for her own sadistic uses), this master spy already knows everything there is to know about the girls weaknesses, no research required. She can spend the free day allowed for prep time topping up her tan or doing her nails so that shes in the right frame of mind when the time comes. Mystique is never more at home than when she's manipulating the feelings of former colleagues. It's all fun and games to her and shes done it more times than she can remember.
Even if one of us was fighting against someone we knew to be a shapeshifter, would we really be able to kill/render unconscious something that faultlessly resembled our loved ones? Actually I have a feeling that many of you would be fine with this (serious smiley) but were talking Dane here and shes put her life on the line for the Summers kid, amongst numerous others, countless times in the past. Shes not made of the same coldblooded, merciless stuff upstairs as your average Hyper.
The Games Begin
Theres a million ways Mystique could do this but lets run through a hypothetical scenario. She opens posing as
, starting easy with a bit of simple confusion, 'Lorna, I can prove that I'm your father'. Maybe next pose as 
and come out with something along the lines of Alex is all yours dear, then turn into 
, Lorna, can we get things back to how they were. You know Ive always <3(ran out of images here)ed you. While Danes scrambled mind struggles to cope, maybe throw in a bit of 
to up the confusion levels once more.Lorna Dane has never been the most mentally stable of mutants and her relationships with friends, relatives and lovers are complex enough to give Mystique ample opportunity to twist the knife. Is Lorna capable of striking down her nearest and dearest?
Worst case scenario
Lorna shows uncharacteristic strength keeping control of all her faculties and is poised to act. The ruthless Mystique repeatedly transforms into different helpless victims of the Genoshan massacre, an event which irreparably scarred the mind of our beloved green haired friend. By this time the emotional wreck will be no more use in battle than Hellstormer (j/k) would be at debating in a Marvel superhero Vs contest.
Theres always Mystiques developed powers to consider but they shouldnt even be required for this match:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystique_(comics)
wikipedia said:
Conclusion
We all know Mystique is a master of cruel games so all this is right up her street. Unlike Lorna, as soon as she sees the opening that can end the match she will take it ruthlessly.
Them above be the facts but any votes for a bisexual female who doesnt seem to age (84 years of sexual experience and counting), walks around virtually naked and can turn into anyone else you desire will also be respected.
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LOCATION: ATTILAN
Attilan is the ancestral home of the Inhumans, a highly advanced offshoot of the human race. About seven thousand years ago, the Inhumans grew tired of centuries of persecution by their more primitive parent race, and decided to create a place of refuge for themselves. Under the leadership of King Myran, the Inhumans chose as a site for their city a small island in the northern Atlantic Ocean, located about two hundred miles southwest of Iceland. The city, which took several decades to complete, was named Attilan, a name derived from Atlantis, the former pinnacle of civilization on Earth that had vanished beneath the sea about three millennia before. Attilan has been the sole center of the Inhuman population ever since.
For millennia, the Inhumans dwelled in Attilan, isolated from contact with mainstream humanity except for an occasional encounter with a lost Greek or Viking sailing vessel. Finally, in the mid-Twentieth Century, with the advent of steamships and airplanes, the Inhumans began to fear discovery by the human race. When one of his subjects was captured by human beings, young king Black Bolt determined that the Inhumans must move their civilization to some place more secure. Employing anti-gravity generators, the Inhumans moved their entire city and its foundation in one piece. The new site of Attilan, a hidden valley in the Himalayan Mountain range in China, was excavated by the Eternals, another variant offshoot of humanity. The Himalayan site of Attilan became known as "the Great Refuge." The Himalayas did not prove to be remote enough to enable the Inhumans to retain their secrecy, however, and soon the Inhumans' existence became known to several of the governments of the outside world, although not to the general public. While in the Himalayas, all of Attilan's ancient architecture was accidentally destroyed by Black Bolt and the city has been extensively redesigned and rebuilt.
(SINCE WE JUST HAD THE LAST LOCATION BE THE BLUE AREA OF THE MOON, THIS IS ATTILAN IN THE HIMALAYAS. EVERYTHING IS THERE, EXCEPT THE PEOPLE.)
Attilan is the ancestral home of the Inhumans, a highly advanced offshoot of the human race. About seven thousand years ago, the Inhumans grew tired of centuries of persecution by their more primitive parent race, and decided to create a place of refuge for themselves. Under the leadership of King Myran, the Inhumans chose as a site for their city a small island in the northern Atlantic Ocean, located about two hundred miles southwest of Iceland. The city, which took several decades to complete, was named Attilan, a name derived from Atlantis, the former pinnacle of civilization on Earth that had vanished beneath the sea about three millennia before. Attilan has been the sole center of the Inhuman population ever since.
For millennia, the Inhumans dwelled in Attilan, isolated from contact with mainstream humanity except for an occasional encounter with a lost Greek or Viking sailing vessel. Finally, in the mid-Twentieth Century, with the advent of steamships and airplanes, the Inhumans began to fear discovery by the human race. When one of his subjects was captured by human beings, young king Black Bolt determined that the Inhumans must move their civilization to some place more secure. Employing anti-gravity generators, the Inhumans moved their entire city and its foundation in one piece. The new site of Attilan, a hidden valley in the Himalayan Mountain range in China, was excavated by the Eternals, another variant offshoot of humanity. The Himalayan site of Attilan became known as "the Great Refuge." The Himalayas did not prove to be remote enough to enable the Inhumans to retain their secrecy, however, and soon the Inhumans' existence became known to several of the governments of the outside world, although not to the general public. While in the Himalayas, all of Attilan's ancient architecture was accidentally destroyed by Black Bolt and the city has been extensively redesigned and rebuilt.
(SINCE WE JUST HAD THE LAST LOCATION BE THE BLUE AREA OF THE MOON, THIS IS ATTILAN IN THE HIMALAYAS. EVERYTHING IS THERE, EXCEPT THE PEOPLE.)
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Shaman beats Tag
Shaman, a member of Alpha Flight is a powerhouse. Withing his medicine bag which contains a pocket dimension he is able to garner any object of mystical origin or potions, can summon spirits and can levitate.
Tag, a mutant with the ability to make people run away from targets he selects, in essence play a game of tag and his opponent would be "it".
In this matchup, Shaman would easily be able to 1) Conjure up a potion or some mystical object that will counter the effects of Tag's powers or 2) If he is effected easily be able to shake off such effect. Really, Tag has no chance since his powers really do consist of a necessity to have mutltiple persons here. And as was stated in the location reminder, there are no people here. So what is Tag going to do Shaman make him runaway forever? Shaman is far too powerful as he has taken down huge threats in the past with Alpha Flight, one of the more underrated characters, Shaman easily takes Tag out just like that school board did. Shaman wins.
Shaman, a member of Alpha Flight is a powerhouse. Withing his medicine bag which contains a pocket dimension he is able to garner any object of mystical origin or potions, can summon spirits and can levitate.
Tag, a mutant with the ability to make people run away from targets he selects, in essence play a game of tag and his opponent would be "it".
In this matchup, Shaman would easily be able to 1) Conjure up a potion or some mystical object that will counter the effects of Tag's powers or 2) If he is effected easily be able to shake off such effect. Really, Tag has no chance since his powers really do consist of a necessity to have mutltiple persons here. And as was stated in the location reminder, there are no people here. So what is Tag going to do Shaman make him runaway forever? Shaman is far too powerful as he has taken down huge threats in the past with Alpha Flight, one of the more underrated characters, Shaman easily takes Tag out just like that school board did. Shaman wins.
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Forge vs Rage
(GRRRRRRR! I'm off to the disco to find some big boys
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Despite this overly homoerotic picture forge was my number 1 pick!
He's a great character due to the flexibility he can employ in combat and this is just the match to prove it.
With his government connections forge could basically find out pretty much whatever he wants about any opponent just by calling in a solid. If you disagree with this an alternative route is available...
ever seen the film sneakers? No more secrets, little black box that can crack any computer's security in seconds? With forge this becomes a reality, meaning he could easily gain access to shield's files (seriously this registration stuf is just a formality, you think nick fury doesn't already have 3 inch thick files on every superhero operating today, think again)
resulting in a full knowledge of rage's abilites.
Now... rage has the ability to absorb physical blows to make himself stronger so this will be a difficult fight but by the rules of this contest an opponent only has to "win the fight" not by KO or death, they just have to win.
It is well within forge's capabilities to create some kind of portable forcefield generator to contain rage. As this could be something as small as a dinner plate (rage is a BIG guy after all) he'd have no trouble taking this in to battle.
If the forcefield breaks down forge has another trick up his sleeve...
He once created a gun that could essentially strip a mutant of their powers. While rage is not a mutant per se the traditional view on characters such as hulk/daredevil/rage who got their powers through radioactivity is that it simply awakens latent mutagenic potential. Having already built this weapon once he could easily create another and modify it to the requirements. Remember forge's powers are sub-concious meaning if it's possible and he can imagine it...forge can build it, he doesn't need to know the genetic code of his victim he just has to think I want to modify this weapon to affect latent genes as well as active ones.
NOTE: other than stripping their powers this does not harm the victim therefore even when firing upon rage forge will not trigger rage's powers
As a final quirk of fate it is a much under-used asset that forge possesses that I call upon. This guy has been trained as a magic caster. He was a very accomplished (is sorceror the right word when applied to a native american????) but chose to pursue his inventing instead, however... this does not mean he has forgotten everything he learnt. While physical injury can make rage stronger, mystical energies do not follow this rule. While in the forcefield's grasp he could be targetted or this would make a nice "fatality" style finisher!
Rage is a brawler and a talented one at that but against a brilliant mind such as forge and all the toys hecould bring to the battle rage doesn't stand a chance!
WINNER: FORGE!
(GRRRRRRR! I'm off to the disco to find some big boys
)Despite this overly homoerotic picture forge was my number 1 pick!
He's a great character due to the flexibility he can employ in combat and this is just the match to prove it.
With his government connections forge could basically find out pretty much whatever he wants about any opponent just by calling in a solid. If you disagree with this an alternative route is available...
ever seen the film sneakers? No more secrets, little black box that can crack any computer's security in seconds? With forge this becomes a reality, meaning he could easily gain access to shield's files (seriously this registration stuf is just a formality, you think nick fury doesn't already have 3 inch thick files on every superhero operating today, think again)
resulting in a full knowledge of rage's abilites.
Now... rage has the ability to absorb physical blows to make himself stronger so this will be a difficult fight but by the rules of this contest an opponent only has to "win the fight" not by KO or death, they just have to win.
It is well within forge's capabilities to create some kind of portable forcefield generator to contain rage. As this could be something as small as a dinner plate (rage is a BIG guy after all
) he'd have no trouble taking this in to battle.If the forcefield breaks down forge has another trick up his sleeve...
He once created a gun that could essentially strip a mutant of their powers. While rage is not a mutant per se the traditional view on characters such as hulk/daredevil/rage who got their powers through radioactivity is that it simply awakens latent mutagenic potential. Having already built this weapon once he could easily create another and modify it to the requirements. Remember forge's powers are sub-concious meaning if it's possible and he can imagine it...forge can build it, he doesn't need to know the genetic code of his victim he just has to think I want to modify this weapon to affect latent genes as well as active ones.
NOTE: other than stripping their powers this does not harm the victim therefore even when firing upon rage forge will not trigger rage's powers
As a final quirk of fate it is a much under-used asset that forge possesses that I call upon. This guy has been trained as a magic caster. He was a very accomplished (is sorceror the right word when applied to a native american????) but chose to pursue his inventing instead, however... this does not mean he has forgotten everything he learnt. While physical injury can make rage stronger, mystical energies do not follow this rule. While in the forcefield's grasp he could be targetted or this would make a nice "fatality" style finisher!
Rage is a brawler and a talented one at that but against a brilliant mind such as forge and all the toys hecould bring to the battle rage doesn't stand a chance!
WINNER: FORGE!
Phaedrus45 said:
YAY!!! I get to fight myself!
OK, So I will list the advantages each has over the other in this battle.
Tusk:
-Is originally from Attilan since he's an Inhuman so he might no the lay of the land and whatnot.
Maestro:
-Basically everything else.
Seriously, Maestro is a future version of the Hulk. He has Bruce Banner's intelligence along with Savage Hulk's anger issues. He is also stronger than Savage Hulk, and a better fighter since he has over a 100 extra years of combat experience. He is smart, brutal, and strong as hell.
This battle is pretty one-sided even if Tusk has a home field advantage. All Tusk could do is make little "mini-me's" of himself which would just be used as appetizer's by Maestro.
Maestro wins this one easily
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Rage vs Forge
A tough match indeed for Rage. But that's not surprising since any match against Forge can potentially be tough. So let's start with the basics.
Rage may be just a kid (or teenager by now), but he's studied and fought with the Avengers and New Warriors. Not a bad way to learn how to be a superhero. This also means he'll have access to Avenger and New Warrior information, which should include X-Men like Forge.
So, now Rage knows about Forge's abilities. He also knows he's going to have to be careful and not give Forge any time to prepare beyond prep-time. (Even though Forge could build things during prep-time, he still may need to set it up).
So, Rage has at least two options at this point. When the battle starts, he goes all out looking for Forge, trying to get to the mutant before he has enough time to setup whatever he's brought with him.
Or, Rage can search for advanced technology (basic info about the city and Inhumans will tell him advanced tech will be there). This option probably holds the better chance of success. First, Rage may be able to use any technology he can find. And even if he cant', Forge can't take the chance he'll figure it out. Besides, Forge would want to use the technology himself. So Forge has no choice but to walk into Rage's trap, where Rage will be waiting to use the advanced tech, or waiting to jump into battle with Forge using his bare fists.
What kind of things will Forge use against Rage? Most likely long-range weapons and forcefields (why let an enemy get close to you). Well, weapons might not be much use against Rage since his resistance and healing factor are far above human levels. And since he'd have to be agressive in the fight, struggling to get to Forge despite attacks, he'd get even stronger. As for shields, Rage would just pound on them, each of his blows against the field getting stronger and stronger as resists the attacks and his level of violence and aggression rises.
Forge has got some advantages. But if Rage plays it smart, he should be able to power his way through this fight
Rage wins
A tough match indeed for Rage. But that's not surprising since any match against Forge can potentially be tough. So let's start with the basics.
Rage may be just a kid (or teenager by now), but he's studied and fought with the Avengers and New Warriors. Not a bad way to learn how to be a superhero. This also means he'll have access to Avenger and New Warrior information, which should include X-Men like Forge.
So, now Rage knows about Forge's abilities. He also knows he's going to have to be careful and not give Forge any time to prepare beyond prep-time. (Even though Forge could build things during prep-time, he still may need to set it up).
So, Rage has at least two options at this point. When the battle starts, he goes all out looking for Forge, trying to get to the mutant before he has enough time to setup whatever he's brought with him.
Or, Rage can search for advanced technology (basic info about the city and Inhumans will tell him advanced tech will be there). This option probably holds the better chance of success. First, Rage may be able to use any technology he can find. And even if he cant', Forge can't take the chance he'll figure it out. Besides, Forge would want to use the technology himself. So Forge has no choice but to walk into Rage's trap, where Rage will be waiting to use the advanced tech, or waiting to jump into battle with Forge using his bare fists.
What kind of things will Forge use against Rage? Most likely long-range weapons and forcefields (why let an enemy get close to you). Well, weapons might not be much use against Rage since his resistance and healing factor are far above human levels. And since he'd have to be agressive in the fight, struggling to get to Forge despite attacks, he'd get even stronger. As for shields, Rage would just pound on them, each of his blows against the field getting stronger and stronger as resists the attacks and his level of violence and aggression rises.
Forge has got some advantages. But if Rage plays it smart, he should be able to power his way through this fight
Rage wins
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Rebuttal
While he has fought with the avengers he was never a full member, the highest he reached was reserves on account of cap finding out his true age and as a result rage quit. This means he will not have access to avengers information. At most he will have the new warriors database which MAY have some info on forge but will be limited at best. I draw your attention to the the rules you yourself wrote, he has access to information/tech HE would have, not that of allies/friends. Also while he may be aware that forge has a gift for inventing he will have no idea what forge will be bringing to the fight.
That would be somewhat difficult given that Attilan is a built up urban environment. This means that forge is perfectly placed to set up a trap for rage. Forge is not going to be looking for rage, he'll be hinding in some dark corner waiting for rage to pass by while he searches the city, Allowing forge plenty of time to get set up.
Unlikely, rage is a teenage brawler, we are talking about inhuman tech here. Forge could probably figure it out but rage is a leap into a fist-fight kind of guy rather than a tactician. He wouldn't bother with the tech.
As I said in my opening argument forge isn't stupid, with access to the x-men's information he would know all of this and be packing non-lethal weaponry: tranquilisers, liquid nitrogen, you get the idea. The aim in this fight for forge will be to immobilise rage, not to hurt him.
Another potential avenue open to forge is to take advantage of rage's main psychological issue, his father. Using a holographic projection of rage's father he could distract him long enough to get a decent shot off and dissapear while the tranquiliser takes effect. While I know rage has increased durability think about how thick an elephant's hide is and take into account that this is being built by the most gifted inventor in history.
Ultimately in a contest of brains vs brawn... brains are gonna win the day.
WINNER: FORGE!
While he has fought with the avengers he was never a full member, the highest he reached was reserves on account of cap finding out his true age and as a result rage quit. This means he will not have access to avengers information. At most he will have the new warriors database which MAY have some info on forge but will be limited at best. I draw your attention to the the rules you yourself wrote, he has access to information/tech HE would have, not that of allies/friends. Also while he may be aware that forge has a gift for inventing he will have no idea what forge will be bringing to the fight.
That would be somewhat difficult given that Attilan is a built up urban environment. This means that forge is perfectly placed to set up a trap for rage. Forge is not going to be looking for rage, he'll be hinding in some dark corner waiting for rage to pass by while he searches the city, Allowing forge plenty of time to get set up.
Unlikely, rage is a teenage brawler, we are talking about inhuman tech here. Forge could probably figure it out but rage is a leap into a fist-fight kind of guy rather than a tactician. He wouldn't bother with the tech.
As I said in my opening argument forge isn't stupid, with access to the x-men's information he would know all of this and be packing non-lethal weaponry: tranquilisers, liquid nitrogen, you get the idea. The aim in this fight for forge will be to immobilise rage, not to hurt him.
Another potential avenue open to forge is to take advantage of rage's main psychological issue, his father. Using a holographic projection of rage's father he could distract him long enough to get a decent shot off and dissapear while the tranquiliser takes effect. While I know rage has increased durability think about how thick an elephant's hide is and take into account that this is being built by the most gifted inventor in history.
Ultimately in a contest of brains vs brawn... brains are gonna win the day.
WINNER: FORGE!
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kytrigger said:
Actually his base strength is stronger but Maestro was afraid of the savage hulk because of the rage progression and Maestro avoided him.
It was against the Professor that Maestro prevailed not against savage Hulk.
This obviously has no bearing on your fight here.
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So we all know the match-up here, but I think this a lot easier of a fight than it seems.
Granted, Lorna is one crazy lady, but she's no harmless infant. While there are a few ways for Mystique to hurt her, there are many, many ways for our favorite psycho to finish off Mystique.
Psi-Warfare
One of Mystique's greatest asset is her shapeshifting powers, and given her troubled past, Polaris would probably be shocked to see her dead parents/ex-lovers/Magneto. However, one thing you have to remember is that Lorna has, and would again, lash out at the world around her when pissed off. In fact, half of her villainous deeds were just Polaris throwing a fit at her enemies. Unless Mystique has some kind of non-metal weapon waiting for her (and how could she in a region cut-off from any of her allies; as few as they are), Polaris would probably injure Mystique greatly at the sight of anybody from her past; not cry in a corner.
The Run-down
As we all know, Polaris's main power is manipulation of gravitational forces, and this would more or less allow her to fight from any distance at her own pace. Power-wise Mystique is out classed. She want's to sneak up on Lorna? Lorna would just suffocate her (ala Magneto in X-2). Mystique want to use one of her numerous projectiles? Lorna could:
a) dodge it by flying into the air.
b) re-direct it back to her if it's a metal object
c) dodge it and then shoot a electro-magnetic bolt her way.
Mystique has never been much of straight-up fighter, and her true strentgh lies in her stealth. Without that element, and given the fact that Lorna's not nearly as crazy as she once was, Polaris Wins.
Granted, Lorna is one crazy lady, but she's no harmless infant. While there are a few ways for Mystique to hurt her, there are many, many ways for our favorite psycho to finish off Mystique.
Psi-Warfare
One of Mystique's greatest asset is her shapeshifting powers, and given her troubled past, Polaris would probably be shocked to see her dead parents/ex-lovers/Magneto. However, one thing you have to remember is that Lorna has, and would again, lash out at the world around her when pissed off. In fact, half of her villainous deeds were just Polaris throwing a fit at her enemies. Unless Mystique has some kind of non-metal weapon waiting for her (and how could she in a region cut-off from any of her allies; as few as they are), Polaris would probably injure Mystique greatly at the sight of anybody from her past; not cry in a corner.
The Run-down
As we all know, Polaris's main power is manipulation of gravitational forces, and this would more or less allow her to fight from any distance at her own pace. Power-wise Mystique is out classed. She want's to sneak up on Lorna? Lorna would just suffocate her (ala Magneto in X-2). Mystique want to use one of her numerous projectiles? Lorna could:
a) dodge it by flying into the air.
b) re-direct it back to her if it's a metal object
c) dodge it and then shoot a electro-magnetic bolt her way.
Mystique has never been much of straight-up fighter, and her true strentgh lies in her stealth. Without that element, and given the fact that Lorna's not nearly as crazy as she once was, Polaris Wins.
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TAG vs. SHAMAN
Tag has a lot going against him. For one thing, he's a rookie. For another, Shaman's more well known and definitely gonna garner the votes that way. But, the inexperience thing runs both ways as Shaman had never faced Tag before, thus doesn't know exactly what to expect.
He goes to Xaviers, that means Tag has SOME training in how to avoid a foe. Basic combat 101 stuff we're talking here. Tag could evade Shaman until he gets in just the right position. Tagging himself, he could compell Shaman to approach him before he could counter the spell, and whack him with some object he finds. Despite all his powers, Shaman is still only human.
WINNER: TAG
Tag has a lot going against him. For one thing, he's a rookie. For another, Shaman's more well known and definitely gonna garner the votes that way. But, the inexperience thing runs both ways as Shaman had never faced Tag before, thus doesn't know exactly what to expect.
He goes to Xaviers, that means Tag has SOME training in how to avoid a foe. Basic combat 101 stuff we're talking here. Tag could evade Shaman until he gets in just the right position. Tagging himself, he could compell Shaman to approach him before he could counter the spell, and whack him with some object he finds. Despite all his powers, Shaman is still only human.
WINNER: TAG
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WOLVERINE25TH said:
Lets remember, Beak went to Xavier's too, that doesnt make him a good fighter. Clearly, the underestimation of my canadian friend Shaman continues as the "Tag effect" would be useless against Shaman since he would probably conjure up a potion to protect himself from harm, mental, physical and emo-tional. Tag has no chance, for realz.
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Rebuttal: Mystique Vs Polaris
t: and is also equally adept at evading Polaris attacks in the event that she is capable of going for the kill against her loved ones. Mags is a different ballpark (I better not come up against him in a match up
). He wouldnt hesitate to kill those close to him for the benefit of his all important cause.
WINNER = MYSTIQUE
This is all true but these attacks were aimed against enemies rather than kin. Taking down someone who perfectly resembles those dearest to her and knows exactly the right things to say will be almost impossible for her.Trigger said:
Mystique is a lot more powerful since the radiation incident (2001) and can create natural non-metallic weapons using her advanced morphing ability:Trigger said:
Mystique has the basic brains required to not use metal items against Polaris.Trigger said:
t: and is also equally adept at evading Polaris attacks in the event that she is capable of going for the kill against her loved ones. Mags is a different ballpark (I better not come up against him in a match up ). He wouldnt hesitate to kill those close to him for the benefit of his all important cause. Lornas craziness will soon be back to prior levels when Mystique begins her games. We've seen the havoc that she is capable of playing with the X-Men using knowledge of their personal lives and she knows Polaris particularly well from their time together at X-Factor.Trigger said:
WINNER = MYSTIQUE
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Didn't mean to take so long on the rebuttle, but it seemed everytime I wated to work on it, something got in the way...
Anyway...
The rule about information is that a character can have access to info they would normally be able to use. And since Rage is still an Avenger, he should be able to use Avenger files.
Now, Rage may be a kid, but he's no idiot. He'll know that Forge is much smarter than him, and technology will be his weapon. So Rage's best choice is a trap that Forge can't resist.
The best trap is to find a place filled with advanced Inhuman technology. Does he know how to use it? Probably not, but it's not impossible. (Even advanced guns still tend to look and work like primitive guns.) The goal is to force Forge to come to him. And Forge really won't have much choice since he can't risk Rage getting hold of some advanced tech, and he could probably use the tech he finds against Rage.
So Rage sets the place up, using the time before Forge finds him to damage the structural soundness of whatever building/room they are in. A few well placed punches and kicks will bring the place within an inch of falling. And once Forge arrives, Rage can make that last blow that will bring the place down ontop of Forge.
It's possible Forge may be able to protect himself with a shield. But by the time he digs himself out, Rage is there waiting. And Rage lays down an attack that keep growing in strength, and keeps Forge from regaining his senses and mounting an effective defense until he finally gets through Forge's protection.
A little brain, and a lot of brawn, and Rage can take this.
Rage wins
Anyway...
The rule about information is that a character can have access to info they would normally be able to use. And since Rage is still an Avenger, he should be able to use Avenger files.
Now, Rage may be a kid, but he's no idiot. He'll know that Forge is much smarter than him, and technology will be his weapon. So Rage's best choice is a trap that Forge can't resist.
The best trap is to find a place filled with advanced Inhuman technology. Does he know how to use it? Probably not, but it's not impossible. (Even advanced guns still tend to look and work like primitive guns.) The goal is to force Forge to come to him. And Forge really won't have much choice since he can't risk Rage getting hold of some advanced tech, and he could probably use the tech he finds against Rage.
So Rage sets the place up, using the time before Forge finds him to damage the structural soundness of whatever building/room they are in. A few well placed punches and kicks will bring the place within an inch of falling. And once Forge arrives, Rage can make that last blow that will bring the place down ontop of Forge.
It's possible Forge may be able to protect himself with a shield. But by the time he digs himself out, Rage is there waiting. And Rage lays down an attack that keep growing in strength, and keeps Forge from regaining his senses and mounting an effective defense until he finally gets through Forge's protection.
A little brain, and a lot of brawn, and Rage can take this.
Rage wins
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wiegeabo said:
You're implying that forge is some kind of tech addict. While he loves his toys he's gonna know that rage is gonna be looking to take this close combat and he'll also know that most of the inhuman weapons will be completely ineffective against rage. He wouldn't bother going for the tech but would instead find a nice sniper spot. The guy's a native american and will have been raised with the hunt, he'll be used to waiting for that one perfect shot. There's no way he's coming out into the open till he absolutely has to.
IF rage is trying to set a trap for him forge will be ignoring this and waiting for said perfect shot. Rage has never been known for his patience so if anyone is going to lay a trap and wait for his victim it's forge. A tranquiliser shot to rage's neck with enough juice to take out a couple of elephants and this fight is over.
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Beak??? Beak is nowhere near Tag! And he is a completely LAME character from Morrison's abismal run. In fact, if you forgot he was even on the X-Men you'd be doing no real harm.
WINNER: STILL TAG
Beak??? Beak is nowhere near Tag! And he is a completely LAME character from Morrison's abismal run. In fact, if you forgot he was even on the X-Men you'd be doing no real harm.
WINNER: STILL TAG
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hippy fascist said:
Forge doesn't have to want to use the technology. But he can't risk Rage figuring out how to use advanced tech. So he's going to have to go after Rage.
And Forge can be as skilled a tracker as he wants (that actually benefits Rage in this scenario), and careful not to be seen. But once he gets in the same building Rage is waiting in, Rage can bring the whole building down on top of him (or, if nothing else, maybe just jump down onto Forge and start attacking right away).
Rage wins.
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wiegeabo said:
Name me one example of rage using a weapon other than his fists
1. As i said forge would pick a good vantage point rather than going towards forge
2. How do you bring solid metal buildings down, they don't break appart like bricks and mortar/timber would.
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