Arrowverse General CRISIS on Infinite Earths - 5 show crossover (TAG SPOILERS!)

[dhandler01]

I assume that (for example) Earth-2 resides in “Universe-2”; and that the destruction of the former wasn’t a localized event. That is, the entirety of this alternative reality was erased from existence. But even if (somehow) it’s just Earth-2, that’s still billions of lives lost. Then multiply that by the number of Earths destroyed by Crisis, and that’s a genocide/holocaust on an unimaginable scale. Will this be addressed in the crossover and in subsequent Arrowverse episodes? I’ll guess no - not to any profound degree. I expect the great losses will be treated as a dramatic plot point to demonstrate the “stakes” involved in this story. But I doubt that there’ll be scenes of extended mourning, depression or moral angst. As @dhandler01 mentioned, perhaps this is stuff we’re not supposed to think too deeply about.

Just as ethically problematic is the notion of two Earths (E-1 and E-38, for example) being merged. Now, it’s no big deal when there’s no duplication of characters. So on the consolidated E-1/E-38, there's suddenly and magically a collective memory of (say) Supergirl and Flash as familiar, longstanding heroes. But what about the actual people? Are we to assume that this new, consolidated Earth now has a population of 14 billion (7 billion x 2)! Or is it still (somehow) 7 billion? But then… what happened to the other 7? Were they erased? If so, that means there’s not much moral difference between destroying one Earth or merging two together.

In fairness, these logistical and philosophical issues are speculation on our part. Perhaps, the Crisis writers will surprise us with an impressively airtight and satisfying narrative.

Since Marv Wolfman didn't, I doubt the Arrow writers will. In truth though, the merging of the Earth's changed the timeline completely so anything is possible. Also, most time travel stories never address that. I ean how many lives were affected when Marty goes back and changes his parents lives? The Butterfly Effect of those changes would be crazy!

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

"Earth" means "Universe". As @Dr. says, Earth-2 resides in Universe 2. They call it Earth-2 because the heroes are all on the planet Earth. If they end up say on Mars in that universe that is "Mars-2".

Exactly. If I remember rightly some of the original Crisis tie-ins featured or referenced other planets in some of the other Earths' solar systems.

 

[vantheman77]

Both Anti-Monitor and Diggle have wrapped with Crisis as Diggle is prepping for his 2nd directing episode of Arrow.

 

[Web-Head]

Both Anti-Monitor and Diggle have wrapped with Crisis as Diggle is prepping for his 2nd directing episode of Arrow.

Same with David Harewood

 

[vantheman77]

Sorry I got both David Harewood and David Ramsey mixed up. It's David Harewood and Lamonica Garrett who have wrapped and that Harewood is prepping for his second directorial episode.

Also Brandon Routh has wrapped as well.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I wonder if the Flash that ends up self-sacrificing for the multiverse is the 90s Barry Allen making it stick that the Flash died in crisis . And Oliver death is similar to the death of Supergirl in the comic storyline?

 

[Flash525]

I wonder if the Flash that ends up self-sacrificing for the multiverse is the 90s Barry Allen making it stick that the Flash died in crisis . And Oliver death is similar to the death of Supergirl in the comic storyline?

Whilst I agree about 90’s Flash, I’m not convinced that Ollie is going to meet his death.

It’s probable that a Flash must become a sacrifice as speedsters are linked to the speedforce, which is a cosmic entity of sorts, and being a cosmic entity the speedforce may play a part in what is to happen.

Earth-1 Ollie is just an ordinary, non powered human. I don’t personally see how him sacrificing his life would have cosmic consequences.

I instead suspect that his sacrifice will merely be that he has to leave his old life, and children behind, never to see them again, with him becoming someone, or maybe even something else.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Whilst I agree about 90’s Flash, I’m not convinced that Ollie is going to meet his death.

It’s probable that a Flash must become a sacrifice as speedsters are linked to the speedforce, which is a cosmic entity of sorts, and being a cosmic entity the speedforce may play a part in what is to happen.

Earth-1 Ollie is just an ordinary, non powered human. I don’t personally see how him sacrificing his life would have cosmic consequences.

I instead suspect that his sacrifice will merely be that he has to leave his old life, and children behind, never to see them again, with him becoming someone, or maybe even something else.

Unless they make him The Specter?

 

[vantheman77]

I think Flash, Green Arrow, and Supergirl are likely to be in all 5 parts.

I think Earth-38 Superman and Lois Lane are in 4 parts with Supergirl, Batwoman, Flash, and Legends. I think Sara and Diggle are in 4 parts as well.

 

[Dark Raven]

How come all this time there's not been another alternate universe Ronnie Raymond or Firestorm?

 

[famicommander]

How come all this time there's not been another alternate universe Ronnie Raymond or Firestorm?

Firestorm is expensive. That's why he was benched half the time on Legends.

 

[Flash525]

Unless they make him The Specter?

A reoccurring rumour, and it’s possible. In any case, such would negate his death too.

How come all this time there's not been another alternate universe Ronnie Raymond or Firestorm?

There was a Firestorm (deathstorm) from Earth-2, but he was killed.

 

[Maze]

 

[famicommander]

Into season 3 of Smallville and man, it's still worse than any other Arrowverse season. By a pretty big margin. Even S4 of Arrow, Constantine, Birds of Prey, and S1 of Supergirl and Legends are way, way better than the first three seasons of Smallville.

How did this get 10 freaking seasons?

I would say it's a product of its time but Buffy and Angel were contemporary shows and they're better in every conceivable way.

No to mention John Wesley Shipp's 1990 Flash show is leaps and bounds better too.

 

[WhoMani]

Into season 3 of Smallville and man, it's still worse than any other Arrowverse season. By a pretty big margin. Even S4 of Arrow, Constantine, Birds of Prey, and S1 of Supergirl and Legends are way, way better than the first three seasons of Smallville.

Smallville is way better than Birds of Prey and I would rather watch Smallville over Arrow S4 or S7. Hell I even find it slightly more enjoyable than Supergirl.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Smallville is way better than Birds of Prey and I would rather watch Smallville over Arrow S4 or S7. Hell I even find it slightly more enjoyable than Supergirl.

I found Season 1-3 more enjoyable than Supergirl after that out of 22 episodes only 3 to 4 (per season from 5-10) of them are actually good and relevant. Which was sad and disappointing.

 

[famicommander]

Smallville is way better than Birds of Prey and I would rather watch Smallville over Arrow S4 or S7. Hell I even find it slightly more enjoyable than Supergirl.

I literally just watched Smallville S1-3 and Birds of Prey and Smallville is easily the worst.

Tom Welling wouldn't have been the best actor in a middle school play, and that's not even close to a joke. Just awful.

Clark and his stupid secret, all the false starts with regards to revealing it to Chloe and Lana, the constant pining.

There is a way to do a superhero high school drama and it's called Buffy seasons 1-3. Smallville ain't it.

Everything that is bad about the other Arrowverse shows is worse in Smallville.
Everything that is good about the other Arrowverse shows is worse in Smallville.

 

[WhoMani]

I literally just watched Smallville S1-3 and Birds of Prey and Smallville is easily the worst.

Tom Welling wouldn't have been the best actor in a middle school play, and that's not even close to a joke. Just awful.

Clark and his stupid secret, all the false starts with regards to revealing it to Chloe and Lana, the constant pining.

There is a way to do a superhero high school drama and it's called Buffy seasons 1-3. Smallville ain't it.

Everything that is bad about the other Arrowverse shows is worse in Smallville.
Everything that is good about the other Arrowverse shows is worse in Smallville.

Okay then.... I appreciate your opinions even if I think you're being overdramatic. Honestly you should probably stop watching Smallville as you pretty much decided it's the worst thing to ever be created in television and hate watching a show isn't really fun.

 

[flickchick85]

I've been trying to re-watch Smallville lately, but damn, it's a struggle. It's got all the stuff that bugs me about the Arrowverse shows, a worse lead actor than most of them, and a slew of other issues that the Arrowverse definitely improved on. I'll never understand the love for Rosenbaum, either. He had such a monotonous way of delivering lines, I was sick of him by the 2nd season. If only John Glover had been the right age to play Lex, lol. He was great.

 

[famicommander]

I've been trying to re-watch Smallville lately, but damn, it's a struggle. It's got all the stuff that bugs me about the Arrowverse shows, a worse lead actor than most of them, and a slew of other issues that the Arrowverse definitely improved on. I'll never understand the love for Rosenbaum, either. He had such a monotonous way of delivering lines, I was sick of him by the 2nd season. If only John Glover had been the right age to play Lex, lol. He was great.

All of this.

I wish I weren't such a completionist. I hadn't watched the show since it was on, and since I never really liked it I never watched the whole series. But since I do the watching order I felt like I should watch the whole thing at least once.

 

[WhoMani]

I'm glad that I'm not a completionist and that I don't feel the need to watch shows that I think is rubbish. I tried to watch Birds of Prey tv show because Helena will be appearing in Crisis but I decided to drop it and not finish watching the rest of seaosn one because I think it's terrible. Despite it's all flaws Smallville was at least entertaining while Birds of Prey was so dull.

 

[flickchick85]

I haven't tried to re-watch Birds of Prey yet, but I do recall thinking that was worse than Smallville back when it first aired, so I can't imagine it will be much easier to power through. At least it's only one season, lol.

 

[famicommander]

I will say that the pilot for Smallville is better and more confidence-inspiring than Birds of Prey's.

But Smallville only goes down from there, and Birds of Prey slowly gets better until it's pretty decent.

 

[WhoMani]

This spin off sounds like a fan fiction... So basically the Crisis will change the events of the future which therefore makes the flash forwards on Arrow even more meaningless than it actually is.

 

[Sithborg]

More like change things so that they don't have to continually attempt bad age make up...