Season 5 Special Event: "Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part 5" (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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  1. Micromind New World New Rules

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    I think they seem to have left the door open for Routh's Superman.. he can appear again, if the show-runners want him.
     
  2. Dr. From parts unknown

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    A while back, I asked how the comics version of Crisis resolved the multiple Earths thing. (I read it ages ago but remember few details.) Apparently, many were destroyed and some were merged - but several survived and remained separate. And I guess that’s how it worked out for the TV Crisis too. :shrug:

    The “happy ending” montage of the surviving Earths somewhat undercut the dramatic stakes and sense of loss established earlier. But we can't complain too much about that; there had to be some triumph and accomplishment for the heroes. (This ain’t HBO. :word:) Moreover, the “internal logic” kinda requires that certain current shows like Titans and Stargirl exist in their own continuities. Granted, this excuse wouldn’t apply to Smallville. Still, it’s a bit odd that the montage didn’t include a quickie acknowledgement that Smallville Clark and Lois were safe. So maybe they’re toast. :csad:

    Black Lightning on Earth-Prime is a puzzle, though. Weird to think that the grimdark Tobias Whale now exists in the same universe as Beebo. :wow:

    Also, what happened to Mia? Presumably, her “back to the future” fate will be explained in ep. 9 of Arrow. But her non-presence in the final two Crisis chapters was rather conspicuous.

    Also also - there’s every indication that Felicity and Ollie will have some sort of mystical reunion in the series finale of Arrow. IOW, even after two death scenes, Ollie “lives”! :cwink:
     
  3. NotNickFury Registered

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    If I had to guess, the DC Universe folks may ignore the whole 'separate Earths' thing since, like you said, Doom Patrol was born out of Titans. Would be strange if they just wound up separate because of some crossover they weren't involved in, so that whole thing may have just been for this crossover. But as far as the shows themselves, may just be business as usual.
     
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  4. WhoMani Registered

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    I thought it was a cool epiosde, not amazing but I still enjoyed it. Didn't really care for the Beebo fight as I thought it was too wacky for me and it reminded why I stopped watching Legends.

    The final battle was alright but the Anti-Monitor didn't look good when he became a giant.

    I'm disappointed that Superman and Lex didn't interact with each other. I did like the twist of him being the boss of the DEO and I doubt he will be killed off again due to the upcoming CW Superman show, I imagine he will be one of the main characters of that show.

    Why didn't the Reverse Flash show up? They've been teasing it since Flash S1 and I'm assuming that the writers changed their minds about him being in Crisis. Still disappointed in that.

    Not surprised that they've combined the Earths of BL, Superman and rest of the Arrowverse into one Earth. I'm glad that the Multiverse still exists. The cameos from the likes of Swamp Thing, GL and Doom Patrol were a nice touch. Glad that KG Superman is alive again and hopefully we will see Routh as Superman again in the near future (it would be awesome if he gets his own show).

    Overall I was satisfied with this episode. I still think that Crisis as a whole could have been executed a lot better imo.
     
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    I think it's funny to see people on the internet reacting to this as if it has anything to do with DC as a whole. Ummmm, nope. This isn't the MCU where DC played the long game, projects are intertwined together, etc. Titans is it's own thing, with no connection to this at all. Doom Patrol is mayyybe connected to Titans (?) but again, not connected to the CW verse. The movies are definitely NOT connected to the CW verse at all.

    It's nice to have these cameos and whatnot, from the DCEU, to the other shows, but to talk as if everything on film and television in DC live-action is connected now is far fetched. Which is maybe why I had a problem with this crossover event as a whole? I certainly enjoyed the fan service and nods to past and current DC projects, but to say (from what I'm seeing as reactions online) that this event could be the reasoning to the DCEU change is actors, etc. seems... cheap, is that the word? I'm sure you know what I mean. But yeah, I take this whole event as meer fan service, nothing outside of the CW verse is connected to it. My view of it anyway.
     
  6. Dr. From parts unknown

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    Obviously, those references do work as “meta” jokes. But in-universe, “crossover” might just be their term for interacting with a normally separate group of heroes. So it’s not quite the same thing as literally talking to/winking at the camera.
     
  7. NotNickFury Registered

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    Makes sense that only Gustin would be aware of the cameo. Reminds me of how, during Saw II, Donnie Wahlberg one, if not the only, actor who knew that the bathroom from the first film would return in the second.

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  8. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    It's pretty obvious imo that they were talking about the crossover. in general. Either way, they drofve it to the grave for me.
     
  9. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    The EP on DP said that they arent in Titans continuity.
     
  10. Legendver2 Smokin' Sexy Style!

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    Maybe, until Digg said he's not gonna let his kids was this show.
     
  11. terry78 I'm not cap'n crunch, fool

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    The legends are basically the Deadpools of the arrowverse, you kinda just have to deal.
     
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  12. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    I deal with it during their normal season. But a good joke can still turn bad when done to much.
     
  13. SuperRouth Registered

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    Guggenheim confirms in this interview that the other Earth’s all came back. So we may not have seen them all in the closing montage but they’re back.

     
  14. Milk Tray Guy 70s Man of Action

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    :up: :up: :up:
     
  15. TheGuy Dwelling under the Batcave

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    The bigger emblem makes Routh look more majestic. :hrt:
     
  16. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    My takeaway from this crossover is it was okay. I don't think they ever successfully made me feel like the fate of the entire Multiverse is at stake. It felt all very small. I get it's a TV budget and everything, but I felt like there's a lot that could have done to make this better. Some of the cameos were fairly pointless and didn't add anything outside of just being cameos. We could have seen more scenes of various Earths dying and having more emotional scenes based around that. We only got like one or two where they even tried to make us feel it. Every other time it was basically a meme. Also the final battle with the Anti-Monitor sucked. Actually, the confrontation in the Arrow episode and the confrontation in this episode both sucked. He was barely a character in this and had next to no presence. In the final episode he just felt like he was thrown in there for no reason.
     
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  17. Dr. From parts unknown

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    I thought I heard Diggle say “that show." And I assumed he was referring to a Beebo cartoon or some such - following the pattern of countless other toys (e.g., Cabbage Patch Kids, GI Joe) that were spun off into TV shows. :shrug:
     
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  18. terry78 I'm not cap'n crunch, fool

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    Nah he said "this show".
     
  19. Dr. From parts unknown

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    I rechecked :ninja:; and though Ramsey’s enunciation is a tad sloppy, it still sounds like “that” to me. (And so says the closed-captions, too.:cwink: ) More relevantly, the context of the joke isn’t particularly meta. It works better if Diggle is talking about an in-universe Beebo show.
     
  20. Flash525 The Scarlet Messenger

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    I don’t for one minute think that Diggle was on about anything other than a show featuring (and focused on) a Beebo show.

    Diggle isn’t Wade Wilson. They’re not breaking that fourth wall here.
     
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  21. herolee10 No More Miracles

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    I don't know if this is a plot hole or oversight but if the histories of the three CW-based Earths had been merged into one then wouldn't that make Tyler's Superman the first superhero? Oliver is the first vigilante by Earth 1's history but if you take Earth 38's history then Clark has been active for a longer time.
     
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    The finale was a better episode than the previous one. At least they dealt with some things, and moved forward storywise, and had something resembling character development. Kind of stumbled to its conclusion, though.

    Superman doesn’t do…anything. I guess there just wasn’t time. The Kara “sacrifice play” red herring was kind of fun.

    Nice to see at least an attempt at the Hall of Justice and the roundtable. The question now is, will they stick with the Hall and the Justice Society/Whatever They Are angle? Will we see the Wonder Twins?

    Mixed feelings about the COIE crossover in general. It’s kind of fun that they did it in the first place, but the execution wasn't consistently good. It probably needed to be a few more episodes long to really work. It was cheesy and fanservicy and amusing, underwhelming overall. Probably worth doing overall since all active CW heroes are on the same Earth now.
     
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  23. herolee10 No More Miracles

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    Finally got around to watching it.

    I am still wondering on why Ryan was chosen as a paragon. The dude didn't do anything important during the events leading up to the multi-verse being rewritten. He could have easily contributed towards making the shrinking device without being a paragon.

    Also, while I am happy to see that KC Superman was alive and well in the end, it was such a missed opportunity in not having him involved in the finale. If he had been given a decent sized role then I would have loved to have seen Kate's Lois cameo as well of the theory is true that she is alive in the new timeline as hinted by the yellow on his Crest.
     
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  24. vantheman77 Superman Fan 4 Life

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    Lots of missed opportunities for sure. Obviously the crossover was more influenced by the Avengers movies than the Crisis comic.

    -No team-up of the Supermen.
    -No team-up of the Bat family
    -No team-up of all the heroes across the Multiverse

    Thanks to Guggenheim's latest interviews, it confirmed what I suspected - Smallville and all the past TV shows and movies were eradicated in the Flash part, they just didn't show it likely to not upset the fans. Then they were restored offscreen, except for Earth-96.
     
  25. heatvision38 Man of Steel

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    That's how I took it. That seeing a giant sized Beebo ruined him from letting his kids watch the show.

    If a giant Barney the Dinosaur went run amok in downtown NY, it would make similar sense, like, that show is now ruined for people.
     

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