Arrowverse General CRISIS on Infinite Earths - 5 show crossover (TAG SPOILERS!)

[Dr.]

Or it's just a different earth.

Good point.

 

[Harrison]

And it’s our job to organize those discussions in a way that’s easy for people to find and follow and join in. Hence, episode threads. And making sure people follow that organization is part of modding. Sorry if you don’t like it, but it’s happening.

And the episode threads ARE spoiler threads, FYI. There will be no spoiler tagging required in them. Whereas if you’re posting in here, we probably will require spoiler tags for the sake of those who want to talk generally about the event but haven’t been able to watch yet.

Your way would make a little more sense if this was all just combined into one big one-night event (even then we’d probably make a separate thread for live reactions). But it’s not. It’s one episode each night, with different writers, directors and players in each installment. So each night gets its own discussion.

I dont know about others but I always wait until I've seen the most recent episode(s) to avoid being spoiled. So surely an element of self regulation needs to be accepted. If you dont want to be spoiled don't look at the thread.

 

[Harrison]

You don't get it. I'm saying that simply saying "time passes differently" is not going to make fans of Smallville suddenly super cool with bring them back for a cameo just to kill them off. It's putting lipstick on a pig.

It's not like Smallville was going to be coming back for a season 10! This isn't ending Smallville. Smallville ended 8 years ago and this is a bonus scene that gives a definitive end for the show. If you want you can imagine that this takes place one year or 20 years after the Smallvile finale, it won't make a difference to the fact that the Smallville story has ended and this is closing the book

 

[Herolee10]

It's not like Smallville was going to be coming back for a season 10! This isn't ending Smallville. Smallville ended 8 years ago and this is a bonus scene that gives a definitive end for the show. If you want you can imagine that this takes place one year or 20 years after the Smallvile finale, it won't make a difference to the fact that the Smallville story has ended and this is closing the book

Well I am pretty sure that if the Smallville canon/universe is permanently destroyed during the events of Crisis, that fans will be left as divided about it like they were with how Luke Skywalker was used and portrayed in TLJ. Like MissLane previously stated, if fans have to pretend that Crisis wasnt canon when watching SV again, that's not a good thing.

 

[WhoMani]

It's not like Smallville was going to be coming back for a season 10! This isn't ending Smallville. Smallville ended 8 years ago and this is a bonus scene that gives a definitive end for the show. If you want you can imagine that this takes place one year or 20 years after the Smallvile finale, it won't make a difference to the fact that the Smallville story has ended and this is closing the book

Smallville fans will still complain about the Crisis "ruining" the legacy of Smallville which is total nonsense.

 

[Herolee10]

Smallville fans will still complain about the Crisis "ruining" the legacy of Smallville which is total nonsense.

"Smallville" and "Arrow" were never originally conceived as two separate Earths that existed in the multiverse.

So when "Smallville" ended, it did so on the notion that Clark had finally achieved his destiny and would go on to be the world's greatest hero. We even had episodes that established that Clark's heroics would leave a great legacy behind in the future in the form of the Legion of Superheroes.

The idea of adding Smallville's canon to the Arrowverse so that can they kill them off for shock value is completely unnecessary. There are many other ways that the producers could have shown how dire the stakes were without having to get Smallville involved in this.

Furthermore, if you couldn't get Tom to come back for a substantial role before killing him off for good, then why bother?

 

[Mutant 77]

Well, they also destroyed Earth 90, making the adventures of the popular Earth 90 Flash (JWS) totally useless and invalidating the 1990 Flash series. So stupid.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I feel like you could get away with destroying the Earths for the original Flash, Kingdom Come (Superman Returns), Birds of Prey, and even the old Adam West series because none of them had a definite ending like "Smallville". Plus, it hasn't even been a decade yet since SV finished its run on television. 10 years worth of storytelling is also another thing that none of the other shows can match up to as well.

 

[TMP98]

That trailer looked rather cheap. I thought they were spending money on this??

 

[TMP98]

Honestly, I feel like you could get away with destroying the Earths for the original Flash, Kingdom Come (Superman Returns), Birds of Prey, and even the old Adam West series because none of them had a definite ending like "Smallville". Plus, it hasn't even been a decade yet since SV finished its run on television. 10 years worth of storytelling is also another thing that none of the other shows can match up to as well.

Destroying the '66 earth would be disrespectful to Adam West. Especially since it's culturally left a much bigger footprint than the entire Arrowverse and Smallville combined.

 

[dhandler01]

Well I am pretty sure that if the Smallville canon/universe is permanently destroyed during the events of Crisis, that fans will be left as divided about it like they were with how Luke Skywalker was used and portrayed in TLJ. Like MissLane previously stated, if fans have to pretend that Crisis wasnt canon when watching SV again, that's not a good thing.

No one will care. You are way overestimating things.

 

[dhandler01]

Honestly, I feel like you could get away with destroying the Earths for the original Flash, Kingdom Come (Superman Returns), Birds of Prey, and even the old Adam West series because none of them had a definite ending like "Smallville". Plus, it hasn't even been a decade yet since SV finished its run on television. 10 years worth of storytelling is also another thing that none of the other shows can match up to as well.

They can destroy them all. It changes nothing. Stop acting like Smallville is The Godfather...

 

[titansupes]

I have to say... That hope line from KC Superman was real cringey.

 

[misslane38]

No one will care. You are way overestimating things.

How do you know? Do you have access to or have your finger on the pulse of the SMALLVILLE fandom? You have two fans here who say they'd care. I'm still friends with my fandom buddies from back in the day, and they've all said to me or tweeted how pissed they'd be. I visit CBR forums on occasion and some have expressed concerns there as well.

So, kindly, try not to make absolute claims like "no one," when you can't know that and, just with a few here, have obvious proof that's not the case. Indeed, maybe you're underestimating the fandom and overestimating what worlds will die. First, people will care. Maybe not STAR WARS level, because that fandom is huge and spans generations, but it's not like it'll have no impact. But that presumes it'll happen, and I have my doubts that it will.

 

[Sithborg]

I fail to see how any world still being destroyed in the end is considered "disrespectful".

These things are cameos. Plan accordingly.

 

[Boy Scout]

I have to say... That hope line from KC Superman was real cringey.

It’s the Arrowverse.

 

[Herolee10]

I have to say... That hope line from KC Superman was real cringey.

When it comes to cringey lines about hope, this will always take first place...

 

[SupermanFan]

Disagree about that line in the promo been cringe, it may have been a little cheesy but it still Superman. I love a bit of superhero cheese.

When it comes to cringey lines about hope, this will always take first place...

I’d take that over “nobody stays good in this world” any day of the week.

 

[vantheman77]

About the Supergirl part of the crossover, I have several theories:

-When Supergirl said something about saving the planet, she may refer to the Daily Planet and saving the people there instead of an Earth.

-Earth-73 could be the home of the Superfriends, who made their debut in 1973. I'm guessing that the group of superheroes that Harbinger gathered were sent there to try to save its people.

-I'm also guessing that the ruined building that they were in could be the ruins of the Hall of Justice.

-The Superman cape that we saw draped like Doomsday may not belong to either Brandon Routh or Tom Welling, but rather the Superman from the Superfriends.

-I will bet you in the end that Earth-38 could be destroyed by the antimatter wall. We've seen photos
of Alex, Lena, Nia, and Kelly evacuating the people while Superman and Supergirl try to stop the
natural disasters.

 

[Flash525]

In the new promo, it looks like Iris “disintegrates.” So on the assumption that this series regular is not being killed off, it seems that the destruction of Earths may not be a permanent state of affairs.

Maybe it’ll be a flashback (somehow) to the loss of Earth-2? Cisco is getting his powers back, maybe he looks for the friends they had over on E2 or something and sees her disintegration?

 

[Herolee10]

How do you know? Do you have access to or have your finger on the pulse of the SMALLVILLE fandom? You have two fans here who say they'd care. I'm still friends with my fandom buddies from back in the day, and they've all said to me or tweeted how pissed they'd be. I visit CBR forums on occasion and some have expressed concerns there as well.

So, kindly, try not to make absolute claims like "no one," when you can't know that and, just with a few here, have obvious proof that's not the case. Indeed, maybe you're underestimating the fandom and overestimating what worlds will die. First, people will care. Maybe not STAR WARS level, because that fandom is huge and spans generations, but it's not like it'll have no impact. But that presumes it'll happen, and I have my doubts that it will.

I am curious if the producers will even bother revealing on who's idea it was to kill off smallville for good and their logic behind it. I mean I don't want to think of this as a possibility but it seems like the most likely scenario based on what we know of so far.

More importantly, was it Tom's idea to only come back for one scene or was it the producers as well?

 

[Primal Slayer]

They are doing a special Arrowverse COIE comic edition

All the greatest DC heroes from across time and space join forces as Crisis on Infinite Earths dive deeper into the myseteries of The CW's "Arrowverse"

Two-issue collection! The first verison features a 24-page main story co-written by comics icon and Crisis comic co-creator Marv Wolfman and CW producer Marc Guggenheim. Wolfman and Guggenheim also contribute an eight-page back-up story with pencils by Tom Grummett, inks by Danny Miki, colors by Chris Sotomayor and letters by Wes Abbott. The debut issue also features a full reprint of the first issue of Wolfman and Perez' Crisis on Infinite Earths #1 as well as an excerpt from issue #7 of the landmark maxiseries.

The second version, Issue #2 will also feature the main and back up stories co-written by Wolfman, Guggenheim, with art by Derenick, Scott, Andy Owens, Hi-Fi and Abbott on the main story, with Grummett, Miki, Sotomayor and Abbott on the back-up story. Reprinted content will also be included, in the form of issue #8 of Crisis on Infinite Earths, plus excerpted content from DC Universe: Legacies #6.

This is the annoying thing with Felicity (who I dont even hate) she isn't even in it (or at least wont be that big, that we know of) but they force her on the cover.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I am curious if the producers will even bother revealing on who's idea it was to kill off smallville for good and their logic behind it. I mean I don't want to think of this as a possibility but it seems like the most likely scenario based on what we know of so far.

More importantly, was it Tom's idea to only come back for one scene or was it the producers as well?

I'm sure if Tom wanted to play a bigger role they would've gladly given it to him. He's never wanted to play Superman and has never been on reprising his role in the first place.

Well, they also destroyed Earth 90, making the adventures of the popular Earth 90 Flash (JWS) totally useless and invalidating the 1990 Flash series. So stupid.

How did they make it useless and invalidate it? That's like saying Arrowverse is invalidating the past 8 years or DC invalidating everything after COIE. You need these histories in order to lead up to COIE and it isnt like they were ever coming back.

 

[Dr.]

Careful where you point that arrow, Ollie.

 

[SupermanFan]

They are doing a special Arrowverse COIE comic edition

This is seriously awesome