Daredevil Daredevil: FULL SEASON TWO Discussion Thread (BEWARE, SPOILERS GALORE!)

[Nathan]

I got the impression he might have already recognized him, when he first approached him as Matt Murdock. Especially when Frank says "Yeah.... I know who you are. You protect ****bags."

 

[MurkeNyou]

I gotta say, I was disappointed that the three main "masks" never fought together as implied in that one short promo clip. I was all hyped up about Frank wearing his skull vest, using his minigun to mow down Hand ninjas, but it never happened

You are far, far from alone. I like this show, but this is two seemingly rushed endings in a row now. Next season, they have to give us a better finale.

 

[Hotwire]

I'm curious. At what point did everyone else figure out that

Spoiler

the colonel

was The Blacksmith?

 

[ImSGirl95]

I gotta say, I was disappointed that the three main "masks" never fought together as implied in that one short promo clip. I was all hyped up about Frank wearing his skull vest, using his minigun to mow down Hand ninjas, but it never happened

Same. I love the 12 episodes of the season, but I felt underwhelmed with the finale. I really wanted Frank to show up on the roof with the minigun and kill a whole bunch of ninjas.
Also, I was hoping for a last minute tease, Bullseye showing and killing Elektra.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I'm curious. At what point did everyone else figure out that

Spoiler

the colonel

was The Blacksmith?

When Karen saw the picture and the look on her face lol

 

[gohei_]

I got the impression he might have already recognized him, when he first approached him as Matt Murdock. Especially when Frank says "Yeah.... I know who you are. You protect ****bags."

Oh yeah, good catch.

I'm curious. At what point did everyone else figure out that

Spoiler

the colonel

was The Blacksmith?

For me it was when one of the soldiers at the boat yelled something to Frank.

 

[Pokkle]

I'm curious. At what point did everyone else figure out that

Spoiler

the colonel

was The Blacksmith?

When I saw the blond guy in the picture.

 

[Omegabat]

I really liked this season,it wasn't as good as the first season and Jessica Jones but still a quality show. But I dont understand what the Black Sky is and what the hole was supposed to about?

I figured that

Spoiler

The Beast of the Hand is supposed to crawl out of there and posses Elektra? if so why leave this thread dangling since it was pretty much the main plot? I hope the next season doesn't try to do this story and simultaneously adapt Born Again and use Bullseye as the main villains. That's a bit too much imo.

 

[JC00]

I'm curious. At what point did everyone else figure out that

Spoiler

the colonel

was The Blacksmith?

I had a suspicion when one of the guys that showed up to the boat said something to Frank and it was confirmed when Karen went to his house to interview him

 

[Silver Surfer]

Loved this season, absolutely loved it. Better than season 1 IMO.

The only thing I didn't like was the Matt/Karen stuff, not only was it forced, but it was also inconsequential and basically a waste of time. Not to mention they completely ignored the season1 seeds of Karen/Foggy.

My favorite part was Elektra, man oh man, she's amazing. Her and Matt's chemistry was off the screen amazing.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I think the matt/karen stuff could've been resolved better but it was hardly inconsequential. Especially with the final scene of the show.

 

[gohei_]

Loved this season, absolutely loved it. Better than season 1 IMO.

The only thing I didn't like was the Matt/Karen stuff, not only was it forced, but it was also inconsequential and basically a waste of time. Not to mention they completely ignored the season1 seeds of Karen/Foggy.

My favorite part was Elektra, man oh man, she's amazing. Her and Matt's chemistry was off the screen amazing.

I think it was pretty clear in season 1 that Karen took a liking to Matt, but he never felt the same until this season.

Not sure what you mean by Karen/Foggy. Sure Foggy had the hots for her in season 1 but he soon realized she wasn't interested and so he moved on, hooked up with Marci again.

 

[Drz]

I really hope we don't see a zombie Elektra next season.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I'm curious. At what point did everyone else figure out that

Spoiler

the colonel

was The Blacksmith?

When they cast [BLACKOUT]Clancy Brown[/BLACKOUT] lol. I wasn't sure he was who he turned out to be, but as soon as he was brought back I pieced it together. Don't cast a fairly well known actor if he's not gonna have a larger impact on the story. That's how I see it anyhow.

 

[TheVileOne]

But seriously, if they put off Bullseye again...we riot.

Listen, we got a great Punisher this season, and I'm fine with that. But it's time we finally get Bullseye.

I'm not even saying he should be in Defenders. But season 3 -- BULLSEYE.

It's pretty simple. If Season 3 loosely adapts Born Again, give Nuke's part to Bullseye.

 

[pixen]

Though I doubt it, does anyone think the red headed girl who is with the Hand is based on any character from the comics?

 

[Matt]

When they cast [BLACKOUT]Clancy Brown[/BLACKOUT] lol. I wasn't sure he was who he turned out to be, but as soon as he was brought back I pieced it together. Don't cast a fairly well known actor if he's not gonna have a larger impact on the story. That's how I see it anyhow.

Likewise.

Anyhow, just finished season 2. It was a bit disappointing.

The first four episodes were amazing. Then the show just loses focus. The Hand and the Chaste are never really well defined. They are just there. I think part of this is due to the comics. We know that the Hand are evil ninjas but their exact nature changes whenever it suits Marvel to have evil ninjas who move the plot forward in some way. So I guess it is true to its roots. But when compared to the Kingpin's empire in season 1, they were very underwhelming (as was Nobu).

Elden Henson just isn't a very good actor. He comes off as someone who is trying very hard to act rather just acting naturally. And sadly, that hurts the season quite a bit as half the season is the audience being forced to rehash the Foggy/Matt drama of last season.

Kingpin's appearance was good, but ultimately pointless. Interestingly, so was the Punisher. He brought nothing to the overall plot of the season. The first four episodes were all about him. Then he is brushed off to a subplot with Karen and Foggy. Then he eventually just becomes Karen's subplot as Foggy disappears from that story. The writers tried to tie him back in at the end, but his appearance shooting down ninjas felt tacked on and unnecessary since he had literally nothing to do with that story line.

It wasn't all bad. Matt's relationship with Stick and Elektra were both great. I enjoyed the romance with Karen also. Unfortunately, the writers botched the love triangle in a bad way. Especially the end game. Matt declares his love for Elektra, she dies, he goes to Karen and reveals his identity (presumably for the purpose of reconciliation)? He never once tries to explain why Elektra was in his bed until that moment? There are two ways of looking at it: either he didn't care all that much about Elektra if he is over her that quickly or he is using Karen as a rebound to fill an emotional void. Either way, it is a disservice to one of the ladies and it certainly doesn't paint Matt all that well either.

I dunno. In the end, the season was good. It was just...disappointing at the same time. There were too many balls in the air and not enough focus.

 

[SpideyVille]

I like Bernthal's portrayal, but is it just me or did it feel like once he was arrested, Castle didn't do or say much for the rest of the season. Like the season was touted as Daredevil vs Punisher, which we got early on, but once Elektra entered, it felt like that dynamic was no longer the focus. I almost feel like there wasn't enough shown by him or of him to justify getting his own series, which I would love to see as a fan of the Punisher.

It didn't feel like they had a completely resolution to their story together, so when Punisher helps out at the end, it feels like convenient story-telling because it comes out of nowhere. At no point do we see his motivation to do so, and we really get no insight into his thinking.

 

[Lilbaz]

I like Bernthal's portrayal, but is it just me or did it feel like once he was arrested, Castle didn't do or say much for the rest of the season. Like the season was touted as Daredevil vs Punisher, which we got early on, but once Elektra entered, it felt like that dynamic was no longer the focus. I almost feel like there wasn't enough shown by him or of him to justify getting his own series, which I would love to see as a fan of the Punisher.

It didn't feel like they had a completely resolution to their story together, so when Punisher helps out at the end, it feels like convenient story-telling because it comes out of nowhere. At no point do we see his motivation to do so, and we really get no insight into his thinking.

Criminal ninjas who had just killed some cops and kidknapped 20 people terrorising the city. What more motivation does the Punisher need?

 

[Drz]

I think the resolution was that DD didn't condemn murderers anymore, but wouldn't do it himself still. He didn't seem to mind Elektra and Punisher murdering those ninjas.

 

[yllum]

I think the resolution was that DD didn't condemn murderers anymore, but wouldn't do it himself still. He didn't seem to mind Elektra and Punisher murdering those ninjas.

i agreed with you. Remember when he did the questioning of frank in court? he applaud frank as a hero.

That was the moment he changed in this thinking.

 

[DACrowe]

Just finished Season 2.

Overall I liked it. The cast was good, and Bernthal and Elodie Yung were great additions Punisher and Elektra.

With that said, it isn't as good as Season 1 or Jessica Jones. While it might be paced better since there were no filler episodes this year, I felt the Punisher storyline was much more compelling than the Hand storyline. Again, Elektra is great, but the bad guys she, Daredevil and [blackout]Stick[/blackout] went up against did not work very well. They lacked the menace of last season and instead of seeming mystical like in the comics, they came off as merely an annoying crazy cult--kind of more like the foot clan in the old Ninja Turtles movies.

And since they become the main focus of the last 2 or 3 episodes, and Punisher becomes more of a subplot, it really weakened the ending for me. It also was a problem mid-season when the [blackout]Frank Castle trial was much more riveting than Matt trying to crash supposed Yakuza fundraiser parties.[/blackout]

Still, as a whole the season was fun and remains the best superhero TV show ever made. The twist in episode four where it became more of court drama was terrific and the stuff in prison in the mid-season with [blackout]Wilson Fisk is a highlight, and makes you instantly realize how badly this show needs Vincent D'Onofrio.[/blackout]

I know some fans are expecting next season to be the season of Born Again. But i think they'll hold that back another year. We need to first see Fisk get free and learn the full truth about his enemies before we go down that rabbit hole. Otherwise, I hope Elektra slaughters the Hand in her first scene and we are done with them as an antagonistic force on this show.

 

[roach]

It was an ok season but predictable. Once. I saw Clancey Brown I knew he was going to be more than what he seemed.

 

[Loki882]

It's interesting because I ended up liking the Punisher stuff, and finding it far more captivating, than the Elektra/Hand stuff. And yeah, the ending was rushed and the motion posters ended up being a giant tease to nothing.

 

[DACrowe]

Oh and also the [blackout]Blacksmith identity was contrived television drama writing. We only saw him for one scene and it makes no sense other than the melodrama presented by Frank's CO now being the man responsible for his family's death. Yawn.[/blackout]

Just had to add that.