Daredevil Daredevil: FULL SEASON TWO Discussion Thread (BEWARE, SPOILERS GALORE!)

I find it odd Daredevil doesn't believe in Black Sky or Resurrection given he lives in a world with alien gods, killer robots and so on.

Matt is pretty dismissive of the extraordinary for a guy with superhuman senses

Do you believe that aliens abduct people and perform anal probes on them? In a world whith space travel?

People need evidence to believe unless they have faith. Even if you have faith a catholic might not believe in a god who has an elephants head because his father chopped off his original as he tried to stop him having sex with his mother.
 
[posted just after watching the last episode and w/o reading the previous comments]

Excellent season 2.

Every main characters were portrayed excellently save for Karen Page, she was always emotionally on edge on almost every scenes and I didn't like that.

My favorite backstage character was Melvin, I liked that he was played by a "buff" actor but was a gentle person on screen. I noticed the Stilt-Man suit in his tool-shed, it was a nice touch ( maybe it was shown in S01 but I didn't remember ).

In the last episode, the expected appearance of The Punisher ( meaning Frank in suit ) gave me goosebumps ( edit : I was about to say a half ***** which would be more accurate :p ), he was perfect albeit with a short appearance.
 
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This was an excellent season. I enjoyed it even more than the first season. Charlie Cox, Elden Henson and Deborah Ann Woll all brought their A-game once again, and Elodie Yung was a great addition. Vincent D'Onofrio was perfect once again in his guest role as Kingpin. But the real standout to me this season without a doubt was Jon Bernthal. He is the perfect Frank Castle. Even if he hadn't appeared again after his monologue in episode 4, he still would have stole the season. A Netflix Punisher series can't come soon enough. I really hope they expand to more than two series a year soon. Speaking of which, I don't think we'll see Daredevil season 3 before The Defenders, but it's pretty clear that Kingpin will be coming back with a vengeance, and hopefully he'll be recruiting this guy:

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This was an excellent season. I enjoyed it even more than the first season. Charlie Cox, Elden Henson and Deborah Ann Woll all brought their A-game once again, and Elodie Yung was a great addition. Vincent D'Onofrio was perfect once again in his guest role as Kingpin. But the real standout to me this season without a doubt was Jon Bernthal. He is the perfect Frank Castle. Even if he hadn't appeared again after his monologue in episode 4, he still would have stole the season. A Netflix Punisher series can't come soon enough. I really hope they expand to more than two series a year soon. Speaking of which, I don't think we'll see Daredevil season 3 before The Defenders, but it's pretty clear that Kingpin will be coming back with a vengeance, and hopefully he'll be recruiting this guy:

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I don't see why netflix can't do up to 4 series a year. They have different cast and crews working on each one. I know they are expensive and have to collaborate but it should be possible. Think there will be the demand and as long as they are different enough will retain their popularity.
 
Is it me or did they pull a Season 1 Hallway Fight with Franks fight in Prison?
 
Is it me or did they pull a Season 1 Hallway Fight with Franks fight in Prison?

I thought the Stairway fight was more reminiscent of the Hallway fight.

What was the significance of the 'Micro' disk Castle took from his house?
 
I thought the Stairway fight was more reminiscent of the Hallway fight.

What was the significance of the 'Micro' disk Castle took from his house?

Microchip is the Punisher's tech guy, weapons builder and money launderer in the comics. At least the early ones.

Which makes me think Punisher's going to get his own series. Unless they let him have his own separate thing going on in the series and just occasionally cross paths with Daredevil like Mike in Better Call Saul.
 
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The Micro thing also does the whole #it'sallconnected thing. Daisy/Skye on AoS mentioned being in contact with Micro once. It both sets up further Punisher adventures and gives a sly nod to fans of another Marvel Television production.
 
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Ok. I remember Micro from Spider-Man:TAS series when Punisher was hunting Man-Spider.

Did i miss something? Did they explain why they dug that giant hole and why they were blood draining those ppl, or was that intentionally left un-answered?
 
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Absolutely loved this season, although it started off quite wobbly with Eps 1 & 2. Had me wondering if this season was going to be a missfire.

Episode 3 brought it back though, and ep4 was just superb. After that the rest of the season didn't dip below "solid" for me with several more great eps sprinkled in there. 4, 6, 7, 8 & probably 10 were my favourites. Overall even better than Season 1.


Cox is made for this role, Woll has grown into the role and is very strong, Henson I like more than I did in S1.

Newbies Yung & Bernthal are both excellent.
That scene with Frank & DD in the graveyard was phenominal. I do think his arc kind of fizzled at the end though.
Matt & Elektra might be the highlight of the season for me, loved their relationship and seeing their backstory.

I had expected to see Fisk again, but just as a cameo at the end of the season, pleasant surprise to see him get a large role.

9/10.

Annoyed that we'll probably be waiting years for a DVD/BR release.


Black Sky

My assumption was that the kid from season 1 was going to be one of the chemical incubation subjects for Elektra's Black Sky jar.

Colonel Ray Schoonover:

In the comics, he is also discovered to be part of a cocaine smuggling ring.

In season 1, Nobu (IIRC), said that a Black Sky is really rare (this is after Stick kills that one). So there can definitely be more than one.
 
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Absolutely loved this season, although it started off quite wobbly with Eps 1 & 2. Had me wondering if this season was going to be a missfire.

Episode 3 brought it back though, and ep4 was just superb. After that the rest of the season didn't dip below "solid" for me with several more great eps sprinkled in there. 4, 6, 7, 8 & probably 10 were my favourites. Overall even better than Season 1.


Cox is made for this role, Woll has grown into the role and is very strong, Henson I like more than I did in S1.

Newbies Yung & Bernthal are both excellent.
That scene with Frank & DD in the graveyard was phenominal. I do think his arc kind of fizzled at the end though.
Matt & Elektra might be the highlight of the season for me, loved their relationship and seeing their backstory.

I had expected to see Fisk again, but just as a cameo at the end of the season, pleasant surprise to see him get a large role.

9/10.

Annoyed that we'll probably be waiting years for a DVD/BR release.




In season 1, Nobu (IIRC), said that a Black Sky is really rare (this is after Stick kills that one). So there can definitely be more than one.

If they are born one every generation, that would fit.
 
Also what is the Black Sky that Elektra is talking about?
 
We don't have a solid definition of Black Sky yet. My personal speculation is that it's a person with the potential to be the vessel for the Beast.
 
Hm, Elecktra as the Beast? Would be kind of out there don't ya think. But I think with all the killing and throat slitting and betrayal she's doing in the series(did I mention ALL THE DAMN THROAT SLITTING) it's been kinda implied she's not exactly normal in the head.
 
great season! i dunno if i enjoyed it as much as the first season though. Frank/Punisher was awesome and i loved the relationship between Matt & Elektra, but the villain(s) was weak

also, i did not like that it wasn't Bullseye that "killed" Elektra but rather some random Asian guy
 
I really liked this season,it wasn't as good as the first season and Jessica Jones but still a quality show. But I dont understand what the Black Sky is and what the hole was supposed to about?

I figured that
The Beast of the Hand is supposed to crawl out of there and posses Elektra? if so why leave this thread dangling since it was pretty much the main plot? I hope the next season doesn't try to do this story and simultaneously adapt Born Again and use Bullseye as the main villains. That's a bit too much imo.

I get the feeling that the Hand stuff is going to be saved for the Defenders. After all, Harold Meachum is going to be killed off by a ninja at the end of Iron Fist and they're likely interested in learning if there's the Iron Fist is a Black Sky and can work as an avatar of The Beast or at least substitute for one.

Season 3, I feel like it should be all about Fisk. Season 2 saw Foggy moved into a supporting character for Iron Fist in the last episode so that's the loss of one major supporting character. (Plus it keeps Foggy around as a lawyer despite what'll inevitably happen in Season 3.)

Episode 1: Target

Season 3 should focus on Fisk attempting to both rise to power and with not only Punisher but other vigilantes like Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Hellcat and Colleen Wing also having taken out his competition, we can get Fisk having his same arc as he had back in both Miller's and Bendis' runs with him rising to power with Eric Slaughter as an early antagonist and Daredevil protecting him from Bullseye should be the focus of Episode 1. Bulleye gets away after Matt saves his life in the subway tunnels and Eric Slaughter is captured and put on trial with Matt defending him in court and asking the court to put him in protective custody. The prosecuting attorney is the new DA named Larry Cranston. Matt and Karen are shown to be dating.

Episode 2: Jailbreak

Episode 2 should be about Bullseye breaking Wilson Fisk out of prison on Vanessa's orders after the two of them get married behind bars. It should be a huge brawl between the loyal prison guards and the crooked ones where we can really see Bullseye let loose and go on a rampage with the freed inmates fleeing the jail, Bullseye opening Fisk's cell and then breaking him out in a shootout with the cops. I want to see Bullseye use everything handguns beyond effective range without missing a shot, stab people in the eye with pens and strangle people with bar stools and extension cords to show that he can figure out how to kill somebody in nearly any situation and that nearly anything is a weapon to him. Other assassins are brought in to assist in Fisk's escape are Typhoid, Bullet and Bushwhacker who all get some screen time after Bullseye reaches Fisk's cell and the three of them fight off the NYPD. Bullet is the guy who drives the car. Eric Slaughter's trial continues and without Foggy, Matt can't find a way to get out of the courtroom to handle Fisk's breakout. Melvin Potter is meeting with a woman named Beth Cabe to create a new type of prosthetic arm which is to be tested on somebody who lost lost one of hers' heroically in New York City and Potter is about to close the deal but has some reservations about Stark Industries' intentions after their last prosthetics operation backfired when a wounded vet was allowed to keep his robotic arm after serving and wound up becoming a gun for hire. Cabe informs Potter that that was back when Stark Industries was involved in building munitions and that Potter's design isn't a weapon.

Episode 3: Bushed

Slaughter in jail orders the execution of Wilson Fisk and gets the message recorded on a microcassette to be passed to Turk Barrett. He specifically says to not let his lawyer in on this. Turk blows up Fisk's safehouse but Fisk ins't in it. Only Vanessa is. Meanwhile, Buck Cashman confronts Melvin Potter and demands that he work for Fisk again. Potter refuses and Cashman takes a bottle of his medication off of a shelf and then says that he's coming for Betsy but he'll let her go if Potter cooperates. Carl Burbank starts eavesdropping on the police radio to know where Daredevil is and after a short fight against some robbers holding up a gas station, does battle with Burbank who has a gun for an arm. Since his gun-arm won't shapeshift like it does in the comics and he isn't a very interesting villain in the comics, he works best as a starter villain to be taken out quickly and give Matt some info on the Kingpin's plans and lets Matt know that it's open season on Daredevil and his friend Matt Murdoch. He's arrested and not seen again. Bullseye and Typhoid tasked with dealing with some of Kingpin's at the same time as the Bushwacker fight. Typhoid and Bullseye not only kill some innocent bystanders after they've surrendered but Typhoid seduces Bullseye after setting the building on fire since she has the power to manipulate fire which keeps the flames from touching them. One of the innocent warehouse workers was named Lopez and we hear sex sounds over the camera zooming in on his nametag. We see that Buck Cashman is a father and he's built his son a doomsday shelter in his backyard and lies to his son that he's a secret agent rather than a gangster.

Episode 4: Typhoid Fever

Melvin starts losing his grip on sanity and begins hearing voices. The Eric Slaughter case takes a turn for the worse when Larry Cranston begins questioning Slaughter on the explosion at Fisk's safehouse. Karen begins doing a story about the Fisk breakout and the attempt on Fisk's life. Vanessa's body was never recovered. Typhoid starts dating Fisk by taking advantage of his grief but also gets permission from Fisk to also seduce Matt Murdoch and find out what he knows about Daredevil. Bullseye is less than enthused by this and goes on a rampage shooting and then kills a whole SWAT team that shows up all because he didn't get the girl. Maya Lopez attends her father's funeral and meets Typhoid there. Maya is deaf so Typhoid writes out a note on a sheet of paper for her that says that Daredevil killed her father. Bullet catches his son trying to play with his guns and immediately stops him. Typhoid meets Matt in his civilian guise at Josie's after he gets into an argument with Karen.
 
Just some random Asian guy? It was Nobu, the highest ranking Hand member we have seen
 
What the hell was that giant hole about? That made the least sense out of it all.
 
I think the ancient mystical T.A.H.I.T.I. chamber the Hand put Elektra in might have been buried there. That might be why Nobu HAD to have that very particular patch of real estate back in the first season.
 
So am I right with these timelines roughly?

In Daredevil S1 it's implied it's roughly two years after the Battle of NY. Something about how Union Allied and generous donations from around the globe have been helping to repair NY after the battle. If we go by Daredevil happening 2 years to the month of the Battle, that'd make it May 2014. S1 seems to happen over the course of a month or 2 months at a push.

Jessica Jones occurs after Daredevil but not sure how long after. However in one episode we learn that Kilgraves accident with the bus and Jessica being freed from his control happened a year before the start of the series. On the hospital records it states the accident happend in Jan 2014, making S1 of JJ in Jan 2015. Like Daredevil, the season seems to happen over the course of a month.


Then the problem arises in DD S2. It is set after JJ due to the references made by Claire as well as Jessica being name dropped and Jeri Hogarth appearing, having dealt with other superpowered people. However characters seem to mention Fisk being imprisoned several months ago. As well as Fisks episode suggesting it hasn't been in prison too long from the moment he got there to the moment Castle arrives. So a bit inconsistant. The heatwave mentioned in the first episode suggests it occurs late spring/summer to me. The season also seems to take place over one month or a bit longer, with Castles trial lasting one week at a push. HOWEVER, Franks hair seems to grow at an abnormally fast rate if it is within a month. At the end of the season however it gets a bit weird again as in the police station there's a calender stating the month to be Dec 2015, which doesn't line up with everything else. So there's one of two possibilities...
1) Prop error. Which is most likely if we are being honest....
2) A large time skip from the final fight with the Hand and Elektras death to the point Matt decides to tell Karen about being Daredevil.

It fits for the most part tbh, it's kinda the whole "How long has Fisk been in prison problem." that throws a spanner in the works...but other than that and with the information we can glem from the show, that's it in rough form..In short


DD S1 - May/June 2014 - July/August 2014
JJ S1 - Jan - Feb 2015
DD S2 - June/July - July/August 2015 (Last scene being Dec 2015)
 
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In season 1 we're told that the Fisk trial would probably take a year. In season 2 it already happened. Season 2 being set a little over a year after the first season makes sense.
 
I think they said a few months. Isn't it possible that Fisk trying to flee could've sped up his trial?
 
I think they said a few months. Isn't it possible that Fisk trying to flee could've sped up his trial?

Yeah Fisk said something like "a few months ago this happened" so it seems weird how close season 1 and season 2 are together.
 

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