Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Lilbaz]

You get the same time frame (if not longer) with feature film sequels.

Fair enough.

 

[Whatupman]

This might be a silly question, but would you prefer Daredevil's billy clubs to be red or white? I definitely prefer them when they're white. Can only be so much red.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Imagine the mind blowing "tracking" shot from TA. Now imagine Luke Cage kicking alien ass and trash talking in the background as IM buzzes the ground. Maybe his pal IF by his side...

 

[Dark Raven]

This might be a silly question, but would you prefer Daredevil's billy clubs to be red or white? I definitely prefer them when they're white. Can only be so much red.

It could always be a candy cane, since he can't always see what he's picked up.

BTW, anyone think that Charlie Cox gets his scripts in Braille?

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ No. No one thinks that.

This might be a silly question, but would you prefer Daredevil's billy clubs to be red or white? I definitely prefer them when they're white. Can only be so much red.

I'm used to red. There's a certain logic to white because blind canes are white. Given that, I can go either way.

 

[marcvader]

Red clubs

 

[Naked Shia]

And Karen Page

I, didn't dare make that one t:

Jeph Loeb's writing has never been that good actually. He manages to save face when he works with a great artist like Tim Sale, but he's mostly borrowing the interesting elements from his stories to others writers (case in point, every marvel color like daredevil yellow, the long halloween, and worse, dark victory, where he stole from his own work). Even in the long halloween, his writing has been mediocre at best. It's still great to read, because the art is incredible, and two face story is a great one.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I know that I sound like a wet blanket, but while all these give the show lots of promise and credibility, I'm more worried about the writing. The stuff I heard about the clips shown at comic-con sounded great, however, that's just the pilot, it's too soon to tell. There's a plausibility that the writing might get worse as the show progresses, and I don't want that.

I'm going with the phrase, "Hope for the best, expect the worse."

The Netflix model means a less likelihood of the "treading water" syndrome that is seen in your usual network or cable series.

 

[grace_Lim]

The Netflix model means a less likelihood of the "treading water" syndrome that is seen in your usual network or cable series.

Trending water syndrome? What's that?

 

[marcvader]

A term he's probably made up. I take it he means longer season filled with filler episodes prolinging a season instead of getting on with the main story arcs.

 

[los pollos]

I know that I sound like a wet blanket, but while all these give the show lots of promise and credibility, I'm more worried about the writing. The stuff I heard about the clips shown at comic-con sounded great, however, that's just the pilot, it's too soon to tell. There's a plausibility that the writing might get worse as the show progresses, and I don't want that.

I'm going with the phrase, "Hope for the best, expect the worse."

Any show could have that problem though, from what I've heard about the clips that they showed and NYCC, I'm very hopeful that this show will turn out great.

The advantages of a show having a <13 episode is the reason why you mostly see only cable dramas being nominated for for emmy awards nowadays. The main reason is that the longer production time allows the writers plenty more time plot out the story arc for the season prior to shooting, similar to a movie. Network shows on the other hand, run on much shorter production schedules due to the higher episode count. Take AoS example, that show has the writers developing stories week to week, while the show is being shot at the same time. When you watch the latest episode of AoS, the actual shooting of the show is probably maybe 4-5 episodes ahead at best, while the writing is maybe another 2 weeks ahead, which is the reason we have mid-season breaks due to production taking time off for the holidays. 13 episodes means less pressure on the writers, which means they have a higher chance of telling a story that with minimal filler, or ideas that are more well thought out.

Here is an interview where Jeff Bell, one of the producers on Agents of Shield talks about the production on the show: http://comicbook.com/2014/09/11/exclusive-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s-showrunner-jeffrey-bell/

Brendon Connelly: It’s obviously a massive undertaking. I’m assuming that, for you, there is no hiatus between seasons and it’s pretty much an ongoing thing. Is that a fair assumption?

Jeff Bell: Yeah. We technically had two weeks between finishing the first season and bringing everybody back for the second season.

BC: And in that two weeks, what was on your mind?

JB: Why am I doing jury duty for four days’ truly. The challenge of doing 22 episodes of network is that there’s little time to recharge the batteries. But here’s what’s fun about it: as a writer, if you like filmmaking, TV is the place to be right now. It’s all here. When I came out of film school I wanted to make indie films but those don’t really exist any more.

While one person is writing a script, I can have two of us break other stories so I can have, in theory, a story broken every couple of weeks. That’s the only way we can get ahead of the production train, because we shoot a new episode every eight days. If there’s a story that I, Jed and Maurissa like we say ‘Yes,’ that writer goes off and writes their outline, we give them notes, they write a script and then we send this to network and get their notes, then get production feedback on what we can and cannot do, that writer then goes off and is on set producing the episode, and if they have questions, they call us because we can’t be everywhere at once.

 

[Dark Raven]

So according to Charlie Cox, DD is addicted to fighting and vigilantism.

When Charlie Cox was first tapped to take the lead in Marvel&#8217;s new Netflix series Daredevil, he had no idea the level of fan fervor around this new incarnation of Matt Murdock, which he told Heat Vision during the premiere of his new film The Theory of Everything.

&#8220;It&#8217;s great fun, but it also comes with a great deal of responsibility,&#8221; Cox said of playing Daredevil. &#8220;I wasn&#8217;t really aware of how vast the comic book world was until I became part of the Marvel universe. I went to Comic Con last week, and it&#8217;s really important to a lot of people. It really is. I&#8217;m having a great time.&#8221;

Cox, first glimpsed in-character wearing a black ninja stealth suit, drives home the idea that this version of The Man Without Fear is taking its cues from the dark Frank Miller era, where Murdock&#8217;s vigilante nature came to the forefront.

&#8220;I&#8217;ve read comics after comics after comics &#8211; I&#8217;ve never read so many comics in my life, and we&#8217;re finding moments from the comics to reference in the show,&#8221; Cox explained. &#8220;We&#8217;re trying to make a show that&#8217;s new and much, much darker than anything I&#8217;ve ever seen Marvel do before. The concept that he can&#8217;t stop. He&#8217;s going out and he&#8217;s taking the law into his own hands, and he doesn&#8217;t know if he can stop. He might be addicted to it.&#8221;

Also starring Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, and Vincent D&#8217;Onofrio, &#8220;Marvel&#8217;s Daredevil&#8221; follows the journey of Matt Murdock, who was blinded as a young boy but imbued with extraordinary senses, now fighting against injustice by day as a lawyer, and by night as the super hero Daredevil in modern day Hell&#8217;s Kitchen, New York City.

Marvel&#8217;s first original series on Netflix is Executive Produced by series showrunner Steven S. DeKnight (&#8220;Spartacus,&#8221; &#8220;Angel&#8221 and Drew Goddard (The Cabin in the Woods, &#8220;Buffy The Vampire Slayer&#8221 along with Marvel TV&#8217;s Jeph Loeb (&#8220;Marvel&#8217;s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,&#8221; &#8220;Smallville&#8221 and will debut sometime in 2015.

It does sound like he's one bad day away from becoming Frank Castle at the moment. But should he become a lighter character as the show progresses? DD wasn't always a dark hero, especially pre Frank Miller. I don't want him to become an almost Punisher.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I don't see him getting lighter nor would I want it. I think most people's idea of what DD is comes from Miller's run onward. He's the one who gave the character a much greater relevance and traction in people's imagination.

I also think that Marvel are using, or will use the Netflix model as a way to create a Marvel Knights type banner for the characters it's suited towards, like DD.

 

[Lilbaz]

Would like to see Punisher turn up in the show at some point. Mat can see what happens if he was to go over the line. At the moment he should be in a grey area between Spiderman and Punisher.

 

[marcvader]

Punisher should definitely be a recurring character. Maybe 2-3 episodes. Unless they have better plans for him.

 

[Six]

I'm just imagining a Daredevil vs Punisher fight scene in live action. Daredevil taking cover, sneaking around and biding his time until Frank runs out of ammo, and striking him while he reloads, engaging in brutal hand to hand combat, Daredevil eventually getting the upper hand. Please make it so, Marvel

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm just imagining a Daredevil vs Punisher fight scene in live action. Daredevil taking cover, sneaking around and biding his time until Frank runs out of ammo, and striking him while he reloads, engaging in brutal hand to hand combat, Daredevil eventually getting the upper hand. Please make it so, Marvel

Could be while Frank is about to assassinate a crime boss. After beating him (after a brutal fight and a bit of luck) Daredevil ties Frank up and leaves him for the police. Frank says something along the lines of "you know he will get off somehow. And when he does, his actions are on your head". Mat "No-one is above the law". Frank laughs.
Daredevil leaves. The crimeboss and Frank are taken into police custody. Frank escapes while they are taking him to the police station.
Crimeboss gets off by intimidating witnesses.
Daredevil is left with the question of whether the law (that he has dedicated his whole life to) is up to the task. Or would the world be better if he had let the Punisher kill the crimeboss?
Could even have the Crimeboss found dead later with a skull marking on the wall.
Leave the question of whether Daredevil could have stopped it and didn't or just wasn't about.

I would pay money to see that.

 

[Dark Raven]

Castle would probably see DD as a hypocrite. It's all just a matter of degree in his eyes. DD stops short, but if pushed, would he kill or not? Castle is someone who has been pushed to the limit. If Murdock's family had been killed as well, who is to say he wouldn't snap.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Could be while Frank is about to assassinate a crime boss. After beating him (after a brutal fight and a bit of luck) Daredevil ties Frank up and leaves him for the police. Frank says something along the lines of "you know he will get off somehow. And when he does, his actions are on your head". Mat "No-one is above the law". Frank laughs.
Daredevil leaves. The crimeboss and Frank are taken into police custody. Frank escapes while they are taking him to the police station.
Crimeboss gets off by intimidating witnesses.
Daredevil is left with the question of whether the law (that he has dedicated his whole life to) is up to the task. Or would the world be better if he had let the Punisher kill the crimeboss?
Could even have the Crimeboss found dead later with a skull marking on the wall.
Leave the question of whether Daredevil could have stopped it and didn't or just wasn't about.

I would pay money to see that.

The better example is Daredevil sparing Bullseye. It's not that much later that Bullseye killed Elektra. But Daredevil does have this belief. He gets pushed to the line, but I don't think he'd cross that.

We've had the discussion before about Punisher vs. Daredevil. I don't want Punisher to be vindicated. Or, if he did, fairness requires reciprocity. The Punisher can't be judge, jury, and executioner. We have a system for a reason.

 

[Lilbaz]

The better example is Daredevil sparing Bullseye. It's not that much later that Bullseye killed Elektra. But Daredevil does have this belief. He gets pushed to the line, but I don't think he'd cross that.

We've had the discussion before about Punisher vs. Daredevil. I don't want Punisher to be vindicated. Or, if he did, fairness requires reciprocity. The Punisher can't be judge, jury, and executioner. We have a system for a reason.

For Frank he has been trained to kill and to go to war. To him they are not criminals they are enemy combatants that need to be killed. He has a totally different mindset.

I remember watching a documentary about the Iranian Embassy siege by the SAS in London.
After they got the hostages out one SAS guy drags a terrorist out. He pulls his pistol out and points it at the back of the terrorists head. He is about to execute the guy when one of the other SAS soldiers taps him on the shoulder and points towards the hellicopter that is filming them. He changes his mind.
Special Forces are trained to be killers. They are judge and executioners.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't think that remotely changes my point since Frank Castle is not in a war zone as much as he would like to believe he is.

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't think that remotely changes my point since Frank Castle is not in a war zone as much as he would like to believe he is.

It doesn't change your point at all. Just in his mind he is. Bit like Rambo First Blood. It's what he knows and what he is trained to do.

 

[Naked Shia]

The Punisher respects DD, there has been several comics where he says it, including during Ennis Run. He also doesn't want him to become another punisher (as seen in Brubaker first arc, the devil in block D).

While Matt can be violent and around the edges sometimes, he shouldn't be "one bad day away from becoming Frank Castle". As they are using Man without Fear as an inspiration, it's possible he will kill (accidentaly or not) during his first adventure, only to realize he has to control himself (something the movie tried to do).

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I'm honestly more excited to see this show and Punisher down the line than most of the movies marvel has planned.

 

[Naked Shia]

the 4 netflix show are the sexiest marvel projects to me. DD defiitely looks like it could be something really special.