Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Mike Murdock]

Still, I suspect any big names cast would be known.

 

[SlamAdams]

That would be a great choice but I'm not sure why they would put the Owl in an Avengers movie first.

They probably didn't. I just meant he already has a role in the shared universe which means he probably won't be up for another.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Still, I suspect any big names cast would be known.

A big name was cast recently and we still don't have a clue who she's playing.

What is the reason for them not announcing who Rosario Dawson is playing? What is taking so long? We should have known by now, but I guess we'll have to wait next month for NYC Comic-Con.

 

[SlamAdams]

A few weeks ago they release a thing for Ant-Man with like 8 new cast members on it. They probably didn't sing all those people that morning, its an on-going effort and they give us the info when they do.

 

[Dr. Evil]

A few weeks ago they release a thing for Ant-Man with like 8 new cast members on it. They probably didn't sing all those people that morning, its an on-going effort and they give us the info when they do.

I find it odd that nobody (Latino Review, Drew McWeeney, Devin Faraci) have any clue on who she's playing. When Pena was in talks to star in Ant Man, it was speculated that he would play a villain named Castillo. Faraci speculated that Judy Greer could be Scott Lang's ex-wife and that Bobby Canavale is her new husband. But nothing on Dawson's role on Daredevil. The only thing from those three on her role was that Latino Review was only guessing that she's playing Misty Knight. It was only a guess.

Somehow I find it odd that none of those three sites know who she's playing when they repeatedly have info on other Marvel projects.

Also, Marvel usually announces the character the actor is playing on their TV shows. Not in this case. Once again, I find it very odd.

 

[SlamAdams]

I find it odd that nobody (Latino Review, Drew McWeeney, Devin Faraci) have any clue on who she's playing. When Pena was in talks to star in Ant Man, it was speculated that he would play a villain named Castillo. Faraci speculated that Judy Greer could be Scott Lang's ex-wife and that Bobby Canavale is her new husband. But nothing on Dawson's role on Daredevil. The only thing from those three on her role was that Latino Review was only guessing that she's playing Misty Knight. It was only a guess.

Somehow I find it odd.

They had info on the Ant-Man script (which is probably more static at this point) so it was more about just educated guessing. It also helps they know a good portion of the principle cast. Daredevil probably has multiple scripts at varying stages with a number of characters coming and going.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Hopefully we'll know who Rosario Dawson is playing at New York City Comic-Con. I do hope it's a character that will also appear in the movies, because being in an MCU movie would be a great boost to her movie career, which has been failing big time in the last few years.

It does her career no good if her only MCU appearance is in the Daredevil TV series and she's not in any of the movies. I hope she's one of these two:

Spoiler

Spoiler

If she's this character though not sure how she would fit in the movies, but if they find a way to fit her in then great:

Spoiler

 

[Homem-Aranha]

Netflix's DAREDEVIL COMING TO NYCC!!!! This is very great news!October 11 is going to be a good day for this show!
http://www.newyorkcomiccon.com/Events/Stages/

 

[metaphysician]

It does her career no good if her only MCU appearance is in the Daredevil TV series and she's not in any of the movies. I hope she's one of these two:

Assuming the shows are good, why not? Its not like television ( which these shows aren't, for that matter ) is a lesser medium that infects any actor who dares to appear on it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Assuming the shows are good, why not? Its not like television ( which these shows aren't, for that matter ) is a lesser medium that infects any actor who dares to appear on it.

If she's playing someone like Milla Donovan or Kirsten McDuffie I doubt we'll see her in the movies.

 

[Slick]

Cool. We'll most likely get a costume reveal.

 

[Dark Raven]

When is NYCC exactly?

 

[SlamAdams]

When is NYCC exactly?

Javits Center. In Hell's Kitchen! How bout that?

Oops - Thought that said where

 

[marcvader]

October 10-11

 

[Dark Raven]

Cool. Think they'll have some footage?

 

[Six]

They probably will. I hope they'll announce who Rosario Dawson is playing and some other cast members. I still hope Bullseye is in the first season.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Cool. We'll most likely get a costume reveal.

Oh man I hope so. Only a month away, keep your fingers crossed.

 

[The Question]

Here's an idea: What if they just don't show us Daredevil's radar sense? Just show him reacting to things. I always thought it was weird that they had a visual representation for how a person who cannot see thinks about his surroundings. It never worked for me.

 

[s_mikheidze]

Here's an idea: What if they just don't show us Daredevil's radar sense? Just show him reacting to things. I always thought it was weird that they had a visual representation for how a person who cannot see thinks about his surroundings. It never worked for me.

Well because most people would like a glimpse of how his radar sense works and looks like to him. Also, it is something that has worked tremendously well in the comics for DECADES....why would it not work now?

 

[The Question]

Well because most people would like a glimpse of how his radar sense works and looks like to him. Also, it is something that has worked tremendously well in the comics for DECADES....why would it not work now?

1: The problem is, it doesn't actually look like anything to him. He's blind. His super senses are a non-visual physical sensation, they shouldn't look like anything.

2: I'm not so sure it worked tremendously well in the comics for decades. Visual representations of his super senses have always been very hit or miss for me in the comics. Like I said, it's kind of counter-intuitive for a character who is blind. And I thought it worked fairly poorly in the film.

 

[Dark Raven]

From the front page:

Marvel's Daredevil showrunner Stephen S Deknight describes a grounded, gritty series.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...s-deknight-describes-a-grounded-gritty-series

We learned yesterday that Marvel Studios’ first Netflix series, “Daredevil,” is set to reveal some details at next month’s New York Comic Con, but that isn’t going to stop showrunner Stephen S. DeKnight from sharing a few early details! Speaking with Paste Magazine, DeKnight drops some hints about what fans can expect from his take on the man without fear.

“With this version of Daredevil,” he explains, “we wanted it to be grounded, gritty, as realistic as we could portray. That naturally fits in with the Daredevil character. Matt Murdock, on a regular basis, would get the **** beat out of him. That’s one thing that makes him a great character. He’s not super strong. He’s not invulnerable. In every aspect, he’s a man that’s just pushed himself to the limits, he just has senses that are better than a normal humans. He is human. The other thing that really drew me to this character is that he’s one of the most morally grey of the heroes… He’s a lawyer by day, and he’s taken this oath. But every night he breaks that oath, and goes out and does very violent things.”

DeKnight goes on to hint that, as fans might expect, Frank Miller’s run on the title is serving as a huge inspiration.

“The image that always stuck in my mind was the Frank Miller Elektra run where he’s holding Bullseye over the street,” DeKnight continues, “and he lets Bullseye go because he doesn’t want Bullseye to ever kill anyone again. When I read that originally, when I was young, I’d never seen anything like that in comics. Superman scoops up the villain and puts them in jail. This time the hero didn’t do that. It was a morally grey ground that I found absolutely fascinating. There are two sides to this character. He’s literally one bad day away from becoming the The Punisher!“

Marvel’s first original series on Netflix is executive produced by DeKnight and Drew Goddard (The Cabin in the Woods, “Buffy The Vampire Slayer”), who is writing the first two episodes of the series along with Marvel TV’s Jeph Loeb (“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” “Smallville”).

“Marvel’s Daredevil” is produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Studios for Netflix.

At least he didn't describe it as a "Fantastic and cosmic series" in contrast to Trank's FF.

I don't want DD being one bad day away from the Punisher just yet. Maybe later down the line in the series after a few seasons if he becomes disillusioned, but at the start he should still have a fairly optimistic outlook of changing the world through the law and as DD.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

From the front page:




At least he didn't describe it as a "Fantastic and cosmic series" in contrast to Trank's FF.

I don't want DD being one bad day away from the Punisher just yet. Maybe later down the line in the series after a few seasons if he becomes disillusioned, but at the start he should still have a fairly optimistic outlook of changing the world through the law and as DD.

I'd be fine if this season shows that transition. Come in mid-DD career, and have this season break him down.

Then, in later seasons, show him build himself back up to the cavalier type he started as (like in the Waid run).

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ I think Daredevil comes close to the line, so, in that sense, I agree with him. But I also don't think he'd cross that line. And, let's face it, he has a ton of bad days and he's not the Punisher, so it's demonstrably false. But as hyperbole, I'm cool with the statement.

The two characters actually work well as opposite sides of a coin. Daredevil obviously works in violent shades of gray, but he has faith in the justice system and the capacity to forgive and help his enemies. Punisher rejects the justice system and rejects forgiveness and compassion. He sinks to the villain's level and relishes in it. The contrast works well.

Here's an idea: What if they just don't show us Daredevil's radar sense? Just show him reacting to things. I always thought it was weird that they had a visual representation for how a person who cannot see thinks about his surroundings. It never worked for me.

I go back and forth on this. On the one hand, I agree completely. It'll always be imperfect and I don't think the comics have always handled ti well. On the other hand, the comics have non-visual clues they can use. Unless we can constantly hear Matt's thoughts being narrated, there's no other good way to reflect the radar sense. Just showing him reacting doesn't let the audience imagine the radar sense as it actually is, it lets the audience get deluded into thinking he can see normally. At least some visual approximation (for what I'd submit is not a visual thing at all) gives the audience something their brains can comprehend.

 

[The Question]

I go back and forth on this. On the one hand, I agree completely. It'll always be imperfect and I don't think the comics have always handled ti well. On the other hand, the comics have non-visual clues they can use. Unless we can constantly hear Matt's thoughts being narrated, there's no other good way to reflect the radar sense. Just showing him reacting doesn't let the audience imagine the radar sense as it actually is, it lets the audience get deluded into thinking he can see normally. At least some visual approximation (for what I'd submit is not a visual thing at all) gives the audience something their brains can comprehend.

Television has a perfect non-visual cue that it can use:

Sound.

Sound mixing would be invaluable to a show about a blind character. Emphasizing certain sounds while dulling certain others to get a sense of what he's noticing, amping up the sounds that most people don't notice like fabric rubbing against fabric or an object disrupting the air as it moves quickly, creating a sense of Murdock's constant sensory bombardment through the sound mixing, all of that and more is stuff that a sound editor can use to get a sense of what being Daredevil is like.

People forget how important sound is to storytelling in film outside of dialogue and music.

Also, on the issue of the audience falling into the thinking that he can see normally if we only see his reactions, a good response to that is to make sure that his super senses are not perfect. Even though he has an advantage most do not, his blindness should still be an occasional hindrance. There's not much gained from a blind hero who overcomes his blindness if there's not even a struggle to do so. Casual cues, like having him react to sounds instead of sights, and having him causally and discretely feeling for the shape of objects that he interacts with, can really help make the point that yes, his senses are incredibly sharp, and yes, he has trained to use them to make up for his lack of sight, but he still can't use his eyes and has to work around that.


Also #2, if we are going to visually represent Daredevil's radar sense, I have an alternative suggestion. Instead of these monochrome images of outlines or something meant to resemble and old fashioned radar screen, why not show us what Matt Murdock is actually visualizing? He lived the first 12-15 years of his life sighted (the age he lost his sight changes from version to version). That means that he does have a memory of what things are supposed to look like. If he senses that there is a car right next to him, he isn't going to imagine a hazy car-shaped black mass, he's going to imagine what he remembers a car looking like. The big problem is that the radar sense isn't what a formerly sighted blind person would imagine when he gets information, so it implies that he's literally "seeing" that, which mixes up the story's cues.

I think that if we see his radar sense, we should see what he's imagining in his head. A vague, exaggerated image that's based on what he remembers of vision from his childhood. Super bright colors (that usually don't correspond to the actual colors in the room), objects appearing to be more vague or more distinct based on how well he remembers it or was familiar with it from when he could see, people's faces being blurry and indistinct (or maybe have some people be played by different actors, as Matt imagines their facial features slightly differently from what they actually look like) or wearing slightly different and more culturally iconic or generic clothing, blank spots that sit right outside of his range of perception, etc. I think it would be a much more creative way of showing how Matt visualizes the world that actually comes from a place of character, because it reflects how he imagines things to be and shows us more of his character perspective in a more subtle way.

Also, it could be great for some high tension moments, as the audience would immediately notice when Matt fails to perceive something or perceives it incorrectly because it is beyond the capability of his senses to pick up on, as it would be absent or incorrect in his radar sense dreamscape. Imagine Matt walking to his office, noticing someone is there, and for some reason he assumes the person is and visualizes them as Foggy (roughly same build, behind Foggy's desk, remaining silent, that sort of thing), but cut back to "reality" and we see it's a villain of some kind. It could be even cooler if, once he realizes it's not Foggy, his dreamscape morphs from Foggy to some kind of threatening indistinct shape.

 

[Loki882]

Daredevil's gone to some REALLY dark places over the years. While he's certainly not the Punisher, he has killed in the past, and brutalized criminals. I'd even go as far as saying that at times he's been more brutal with criminals than Batman is.