Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[TheComicbookKid]

The only show that it's in the league of is Arrow(hero's actions crossing the line to save his city). Stabbing a guy in the eye but still unabashedly a comic book show.

 

[Surfer]

The only show that it's in the league of is Arrow(hero's actions crossing the line to save his city). Stabbing a guy in the eye but still unabashedly a comic book show.

I like and sometimes even love pretty much all comic book shows on TV. and while I really like Arrow I don't think I would put it in the same category as this show which is more like a 13 hour movie. Now granted I haven't seen any of Daredevil yet, so it is hard to judge, but the problem I have with Arrow is the teenage angst that plagues all the CW shows, although lately I must say it has been much improved, but there are still the love story under tones, between Oliver and almost every female character he comes in contact with. And if it's not him jumping from relationship to relationship it is one of the other characters. CW, just lives for relationship drama, but after a while your left feeling like your watching a male version of the days of our lives.

Surfer

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I like and sometimes even love pretty much all comic book shows on TV. and while I really like Arrow I don't think I would put it in the same category as this show which is more like a 13 hour movie. Now granted I haven't seen any of Daredevil yet, so it is hard to judge, but the problem I have with Arrow is the teenage angst that plagues all the CW shows, although lately I must say it has been much improved, but there are still the love story under tones, between Oliver and almost every female character he comes in contact with. And if it's not him jumping from relationship to relationship it is one of the other characters. CW, just lives for relationship drama, but after a while your left feeling like your watching a male version of the days of our lives.

Surfer

Considering Matt's track record with women, I doubt this show is going to stray from the relationship drama.

The whole two-sides of the same coin villain/hero is pretty standard stuff.

For me, If they manage to make me care about the lengths DD is willing to go and how it affects him to save Hell's Kitchen is what will make or break it.

 

[flickchick85]

I feel like their parent networks automatically put the two shows in different ballparks.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I feel like their parent networks automatically put the two shows in different ballparks.

This is still a series about a guy in a costume with super hearing from Disney/ Marvel. This won't be getting into how prostitution or human traffic business works in the MCU or what not.

Arrow's pilot had his father murder a guy then shoot himself in the head. Ollie was basically suffering from PTSD.


AkA Jessica Jones? Maybe. Just because no one cares if she shows up in other Marvel properties.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm talking about execution, not plot points. Urban vigilante type heroes are gonna feature a lot of the same tropes, regardless of whether we're talking movies, TV or comics. But this show is a completely different animal from Arrow just from its budget/production model alone. It was approached and crafted as a 13-hour movie. Comparing it to a weekly CW series would be unfair, imo.

 

[Man in the Suit]

And just the fact that it's TV-MA lets it go places most comic book shows OR movies can't go. I know DeKnight said there aren't any F-Bombs or nudity, but the subject matter can get a little heavy if it needs to.

And the writing quality! Goddard on the first two episodes and DeKnight showrunning... oh, man... Gonna be awesome.

And they get to actually film in NY. It adds so much character instead of Toronto doubling.

I'm telling ya, this could be better than a lot of comic book MOVIES. Not just shows.

 

[WildChild]

I booked time off for this show.Cannot wait!

 

[Gusto]

Incapable of aquiring Netflix and having never watched their shows before, how fast do the episodes jump online upon release? All the same?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, Netflix posts their entire season at once (although I'm a little unclear whether you're talking about online on Netflix). DVDs usually come out around the same time as they do for other shows after release.

 

[TheVision]

I consider Daredevil to be one of the original fictional vigilante icons of 20th century pop culture history. So it has more going on for me than what Arrow is doing.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Incapable of aquiring Netflix and having never watched their shows before, how fast do the episodes jump online upon release? All the same?

Not that it's any of my business, but if the lack of a credit card is what's keeping you from signing up they do sell gift cards.

Of course if you live in an area where the service isn't available that's a different story.

 

[ernesth100]

So if the first season gets good reception on Netflix will they fund a second season?

 

[Man in the Suit]

Yeah. Marco Polo, a show nobody talks about, got a second season on Netflix. DD should have no problem.

 

[ernesth100]

Cool, hopefully in the second season he gets his red costume too.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Cool, hopefully in the second season he gets his red costume too.

He could be getting it in the first season!

 

[Random490]

I'm talking about execution, not plot points. Urban vigilante type heroes are gonna feature a lot of the same tropes, regardless of whether we're talking movies, TV or comics. But this show is a completely different animal from Arrow just from its budget/production model alone. It was approached and crafted as a 13-hour movie. Comparing it to a weekly CW series would be unfair, imo.

Exactly, with a network show you have to follow certain parameters. Not just things like censorship and such, but number of episodes. Networks prefer have the season of their top shows premiere and finales land in sweeps week. Arrow has to have 20 or so episodes with a fall break to meet that requirement. And that usually leads to some filler episodes that are just unnecessary or boring, plus the schedule can be damanding leading to some rush jobs on scripts or filming. Ever wonder why new episodes get interrupted for a week or two out of no where? Because they fell behind schedule and needed that time to catch up.

Now the benefits of Netflix's model has is that there's no quota on episodes. When House of Cards was pitching their show all the network said they needed a certain number, when they met with Netflix, they ask "How many episodes do you want... Okay that sounds good" It's more about quality than quantity with them. Plus with seasons being released all at once they don't have the scheduling demands, so they can focus on finishing the product then getting the product finished.

So just as flickchick85 you can't really compare them because there's a whole different method behind their production. Daredevil will probably be significantly different from Arrow in terms of style, production, and demographic. Whether one is better than the other we will see, but DD will be unique.

Incapable of aquiring Netflix and having never watched their shows before, how fast do the episodes jump online upon release? All the same?

Yeah, Netflix shows are released all at once. You can try getting a free trial just to watch DD, though that may leave you without future netflix seires, I think you could just pay for one month or binge with a friend who has it.

 

[Mike Murdock]

You can get the month for free and watch everything, but you still need a credit card to sign up, I think.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Credit or debit but yeah, they want a card on file so they can bill you when the free month ends.

I would assume the gift card would work like those Xbox Live cards and just end when your time ran out but maybe not.

 

[BarryAllen]

And if they get a return investment, we'll see a Season 2. It's all about ratings and if enough people are watching it, Netflix will pay up because it keeps them subscribing.

Plus, separate showrunners mean that we'll get new seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones before Iron Fist and Luke Cage hit, provided that neither series flops.

For instance, we'l probably see Daredevil again in mid-2016, which is when Iron Fist is set to premiere, then Season 2 of Jessica Jones will hit in late 2016 a few months before Luke Cage lands in early 2017 with plot threads from Jessica Jones Season 2 being part of Luke Cage.

And in 2018, we'll get our Defenders. And by then we'll have an amazing roster of Defenders to play with. Particularly since it's possible to introduce a lot of new characters in four seasons of Daredevil, 3 seasons of Jessica Jones and 2 seasons of Iron Fist and Luke Cage.

From Daredevil: Elektra, Echo
From Jessica Jones: Hellcat
From Iron Fist: Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Shang Chi
From Luke Cage: White Tiger

And then Doctor Strange and Spider-Man from the films, possibly also Hulk since he's heavily associated with the Defenders but I'd save Hulk for the last episode.

And Marvel still has yet to develop Moon Knight or She-Hulk who can both join the Defenders, Black Cat probably won't have appeared in the MCU Spider-Man yet, we won't have seen Namor in an Avengers sequel and Iceman, Silver Surfer and Human Torch are over at Fox so it won't be a perfect Defenders roster but it'll be close enough and there will be room to grow in case there's a Defenders 2.

We're not getting two a DD season 2 or a JJ season 2 next year. Marvel will be spending all that time and money on Luke Cage and Iron Fist.

And you do realize that this is the Defenders in name only? This is a street level team, not an Avengers B-team. I can state for a fact that Dr Strange nor the Hulk will show up on the Defenders.

Not going to lie, looking at some your posts, you're a little too ambitious with some of your ideas.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Being optimistic, I'd say we'd be lucky to have a Netflix schedule something like:

2015: Daredevil, AKA Jessica Jones
2016: Iron Fist, Luke Cage
2017: Defenders, Daredevil Season 2

Overall, I think a 3-season series for Daredevil would work out nicely.

 

[kedrell]

^That looks very likely. And I'd be supremely pleased with that.

The only show that it's in the league of is Arrow(hero's actions crossing the line to save his city). Stabbing a guy in the eye but still unabashedly a comic book show.

I've liked Arrow but it's gone on to become tedious, IMO. I just don't care about it as much as I did back in season 1 when it was an unabashed BB rip-off/homage. All the dragging out of the flashbacks and such have taken their toll with me. I don't find Deathstroke that interesting a villain in the first place to devote so much time to him. Merlin is probably the best villain they've had on that show but even he's getting past his 'sell by' date.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Being optimistic, I'd say we'd be lucky to have a Netflix schedule something like:

2015: Daredevil, AKA Jessica Jones
2016: Iron Fist, Luke Cage
2017: Defenders, Daredevil Season 2

Overall, I think a 3-season series for Daredevil would work out nicely.

Although I've already thought of ideas for Daredevil Season 4

 

[PWN3R]

Yeah. Marco Polo, a show nobody talks about, got a second season on Netflix. DD should have no problem.

Dude more people need to watch that show. It starts off slow as hell but it is definitely worth the watch. Benedict Wong, the actor who plays Kublai Khan, is absolutely bonkers and deserves all the praise.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Cool, hopefully in the second season he gets his red costume too.

Theres like a 99% chance he'll have it in this first season and all through the defenders mini.