Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 5

[Web-Head]

IMDB is listing Erryn Arkin as Iron Fist.

Probably fake, right?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Almost certainly. IMDB can't really be trusted until after a movie or show is released.

 

[chamber-music]

I wonder what new villains we get this season.

Kingpin and his wife may still make an appearance.

Gladiator looks to be suiting up.

Punisher will be an antagonist and Matt may find himself going up against Elektra if she is planning on assassinating someone like Stick was last season.

Mister Fear would be cool to see.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Mr. Fear seems overcrowded. I think he's strong enough to be the big bad for a season. I still think rumors of Bullseye (although not Statham) are true and we'll see him as an assassin for hire.

 

[Dasher10]

I'll agree to that. I'd save Typhoid, Nuke, Bushwhacker, Echo and Bullet for Season 3 and Mister Fear for Season 4.

 

[pixen]

I'll agree to that. I'd save Typhoid, Nuke, Bushwhacker, Echo and Bullet for Season 3 and Mister Fear for Season 4.

I'd love to see Typhoid Mary in Season 3 as she could bring something different to the show but I think Echo could be pushed to Season 4.

 

[The Overlord]

Mr. Fear seems overcrowded. I think he's strong enough to be the big bad for a season. I still think rumors of Bullseye (although not Statham) are true and we'll see him as an assassin for hire.

Well are there any more minor DD villains that could fit into this season? I think it could interesting if the Wildboys was a street gang recruiting disfranchised youths in Hell's Kitchen into its ranks.

 

[BarryAllen]

IMDB is listing Erryn Arkin as Iron Fist.

It's fake. But still horrible choice for Danny Rand.

Yeah but why when Iron Fist and Luke Cage alone both have a good number of enemies to mine? Heroes for Hire would just be Defenders without Daredevil. I feel like Defenders would be a miniseries which hits every 2-3 years and we'll see the street level heroes interact with each other in solo series.

I agree 100% with Dasher on this. I don't want the character's getting their series folded up into each other. Appearaces in each others shows I wouldn't mind, but having the solo adventures is a must.

One of the things you notice being a comic book fan is there is always an atmosphere of not knowing what you want unless it's shown to you. People b*tched when Guardians of the Galaxy was chosen to be made into a movie over other popular characters. Now everyone wants a sequel. The SAME exact thing is happening in regards to Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. They have unique stories that can and should be told over a long period of time. And so what if Jessica Jones has no other villains? Marvel can just bring some others in from various other series like they did with Patsy Walker as a supporting character. Sorry there's no "room" for a Punisher solo series yet, but I for one am glad these characters are getting the much deserved spotlight and hopefully that means multiple seasons.

 

[Dasher10]

I agree 100% with Dasher on this. The I don't the character's getting their series folded up into each other. Appearaces in each others shows I wouldn't mind, but having the solo adventures is a must.

One of the things you notice being a comic book fan is there is always an atmosphere of not knowing what you want unless it's shown to you. People *****ed when Guardians of the Galaxy was chosen to be made into a movie over other popular characters. Now everyone wants a sequel. The SAME exact thing is happening in regards to Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. They have unique stories that can and should be told over a long period of time. And so what if Jessica Jones has no other villains? Marvel can just bring some others in from various other series like they did with Patsy Walker as a supporting character. Sorry there's no "room" for a Punisher solo series yet, but I for one am glad these characters are getting the much deserved spotlight and hopefully that means multiple seasons.

Actually Jessica Jones doesn't really need villains. Entire story arcs about her have revolved around a gay teen runaway encountering small town homophobia and balancing her work life while pregnant. That's part of why I loved her comics so much. She was part of the Marvel U but didn't resolve every conflict with violence.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well are there any more minor DD villains that could fit into this season? I think it could interesting if the Wildboys was a street gang recruiting disfranchised youths in Hell's Kitchen into its ranks.

Sure, if we're talking low-level street guys:
The Wildboys
Bullet
Bushwacker
Shotgun

There could be low-key mobster types:
Eric Slaughter
Peter "Hogman" Grunter (the character in Miller's DD/Punisher crossover - Child's Play)

But don't forget the potential for:
Gladiator
Bullseye
Leeland Owlsley Jr.

In addition to:
Punisher
Elektra
Kingpin

And maybe the Hand?:
Kirigi
The Snakeroot
The Beast

I'd like to avoid Typhoid Mary. I'd also save the Hand for the Defenders. But the first season had the Kingpin and that was basically it. A second season with more Kingpin, Punisher, Elektra, and Bullseye would be pretty crowded as is. I do want Gladiator, though, just because it'll give Matt a good courtroom storyline.

 

[gohei_]

No love for the Jester? He might not be one of DD's most memorable villains but he had a pretty cool arc where he broadcasted a bunch of fake commercials and newscasts.

 

[Broseph44]

Wonder when we will be getting details and what not on the release of the blu ray.

 

[Mike Murdock]

No love for the Jester? He might not be one of DD's most memorable villains but he had a pretty cool arc where he broadcasted a bunch of fake commercials and newscasts.

One of my favorite stories is Daredevil 218 - All My Laurels You Have Riven Away. Also, Jester's first appearance stood out from the villains who surrounded him. While all the villains of that time were cheesy, he had a lot of personality that just made him fun. It's best to think of him as a terrible Shakespeare wannabe rather than a Joker ripoff.

That being said, I doubt he'd fit the tone of season 2.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I feel like mister fear and jester are only going to remind people more of batman. Especially after Arrow just spent an entire season aping batman at every turn. I'd rather they focus villains like Bullseye, elektra and the hand.

 

[Majik1387]

While I know they're more more Spider-Man villains, what about Hammerhead, Silvermane, and Tombstone?

 

[Dasher10]

Sure, if we're talking low-level street guys:
The Wildboys
Bullet
Bushwacker
Shotgun

There could be low-key mobster types:
Eric Slaughter
Peter "Hogman" Grunter (the character in Miller's DD/Punisher crossover - Child's Play)

But don't forget the potential for:
Gladiator
Bullseye
Leeland Owlsley Jr.

In addition to:
Punisher
Elektra
Kingpin

And maybe the Hand?:
Kirigi
The Snakeroot
The Beast

I'd like to avoid Typhoid Mary. I'd also save the Hand for the Defenders. But the first season had the Kingpin and that was basically it. A second season with more Kingpin, Punisher, Elektra, and Bullseye would be pretty crowded as is. I do want Gladiator, though, just because it'll give Matt a good courtroom storyline.

Why ignore Typhoid? She's one of DD's best villains, period.

And I don't see Electro appearing on the big screen again after Jamie Fox ruined the character. He's also a Daredevil villain anyway.

 

[scatterax]

And I don't see Electro appearing on the big screen again after Jamie Fox ruined the character. He's also a Daredevil villain anyway.

??? wasn't the post you quoted talking about elektrA?

 

[gohei_]

One of my favorite stories is Daredevil 218 - All My Laurels You Have Riven Away. Also, Jester's first appearance stood out from the villains who surrounded him. While all the villains of that time were cheesy, he had a lot of personality that just made him fun. It's best to think of him as a terrible Shakespeare wannabe rather than a Joker ripoff.

That being said, I doubt he'd fit the tone of season 2.

I feel like mister fear and jester are only going to remind people more of batman. Especially after Arrow just spent an entire season aping batman at every turn. I'd rather they focus villains like Bullseye, elektra and the hand.

I agree with you both, but I would not mind if they were able to make him work in a future season somehow.

 

[Majik1387]

Yeah, that Electro comment confuses me as well.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Why ignore Typhoid? She's one of DD's best villains, period.

I'm talking about a second season, not overall, so my point is the same as that with Mr. Fear. I'd rather not overcrowd the second season and instead save them for when they can do them justice.

 

[The Overlord]

One of my favorite stories is Daredevil 218 - All My Laurels You Have Riven Away. Also, Jester's first appearance stood out from the villains who surrounded him. While all the villains of that time were cheesy, he had a lot of personality that just made him fun. It's best to think of him as a terrible Shakespeare wannabe rather than a Joker ripoff.

That being said, I doubt he'd fit the tone of season 2.

I never cared for Jester personally, he is like one of these villains who didn't have to be a villain to achieve his goal, but became one for no good reason.

Jester wanted to become a famous actor and studied gymnastics and body building rather then taking acting classes, then he is mad that people pan his performances and then he decides to be a super villain. To me that is not a villain I could see as a serious character, he became a super villain because he was too stupid to realize you need acting lessons to be a good actor. imagine if Jester was a good actor and was screwed over by another actor and that actor went on to be famous, while Jester remained obscure. There would some sympathetic element to him and he would be more then just some obnoxious blow hard who robs banks for no good reason. How often do DD villains have a legitimate reason to seek revenge on someone?

I did like send off in the 80s, but it was ruined by the fact by the 2000s the writers made him a villain again just so he can be in some throw away stories. That is the problem with these B-list villains, there are no long term plans with them, so they just become what ever the writer of the week wants them to be.

Jester could be a somewhat interesting, but they need to seriously revamp the character (make him seem less like a Joker rip off, give him a better back story and focus far more on the acting aspects of the character).

I think Mr. Fear is not a Scarecrow rip off (Mr. fear used the fear gas gimmick first) while Jester does seem like a rip off Silver Age Joker.

Why ignore Typhoid? She's one of DD's best villains, period.

And I don't see Electro appearing on the big screen again after Jamie Fox ruined the character. He's also a Daredevil villain anyway.

Electro may be the first super villain DD fought, but he seems more iconic as a Spidey villain then a DD one, how many great Electro vs. DD stories have there been?

While I know they're more more Spider-Man villains, what about Hammerhead, Silvermane, and Tombstone?

But who should get priority, DD villains or Spidey villains?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Personally speaking I think Luke and Danny work best as a team. They still have the same kinds of adventures they'd have if they were solo, they just have a buddy along when they do it. I don't mind if a few of these characters getting folded up into something bigger if it means freeing up a slot for someone else to get a show.

 

[chamber-music]

I think Luke and Danny have lot of interesting separate stories you can tell.

Iron Fist has his own legacy, mythology and identity that is distinct enough to maintain his own show.

Luke Cage has a number of villains that have a personal connection to him that would need screen time to properly showcase the depth of their relationship to Cage.

I don't think Daredevil needs to use Spider-Man's gangster villains when he has his own he could use.

 

[Moridin]

I don't think there's anything stopping them from doing both Heroes for Hire AND more LC/IF solo series.

They could decide to stick together at the end of Defenders for a season of HFH, then at the end of HFH they need to go their seperate ways, for whatever reason, and both go solo for a season. Rinse & repeat as needed.

 

[djsunyc]

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