Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 6

[henry_9305]

Wrong thread

 

[DontheJon]

Wrong thread

don't make that mistake again... you got it...

 

[pixen]

I think Black Widow and Daredevil would both benefit from a relationship with each other very much so. Yes it doesn't have to happen because it happened in the comics but why not? Black Widow would benefit hugely from being on Netflix and their relationship was a kind of milestone for comics being that they were comics first unmarried couple to live together.

I wouldn't hate it if she made an appearance, I just don't think it's necessary when you have Karen, Elektra and Claire to kind of work with. It also doesn't help that Scarlett Johansson is a big movie star and getting her to appear on a Netflix show is probably harder than you think it would be. Especially when the contract she signed for Widow only mention films and not TV. And I personally feel like that sort of connection to the Avengers isn't necessary but if it did happen, I'd be happily surprised by it.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I actually like the fact that they seem to be keeping the world's of JJ and DD separate from the overall Avengers however as I mentioned the only Avenger I wouldn't mind popping up and who could actually fit in would be Black Widow. I think she'd be able to show a side of her the movies can only sort of hint.

Also not saying Scarlett would but Netlfix has attracted some star power of its own. Its first major series stars an Oscar winner I mean.

 

[DontheJon]

I actually like the fact that they seem to be keeping the world's of JJ and DD separate from the overall Avengers however as I mentioned the only Avenger I wouldn't mind popping up and who could actually fit in would be Black Widow. I think she'd be able to show a side of her the movies can only sort of hint.

Also not saying Scarlett would but Netlfix has attracted some star power of its own. Its first major series stars an Oscar winner I mean.

Absolutely. I too am glad they've kept DD and JJ separate from the Avengers but I will not complain if either character shows up in the mcc films or vice versa. Black Widow would definitely benefit more than other Avenger from appearing on Netflix. She has so much depth that yet to be explored. Obviously getting Scarlett Johansson on Netflix would be a challenge but not an impossible one. Like you mentioned Bruce, Netflix has attracted star power and also dishes out critically acclaimed work.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well to be fair, Hawkeye is not going to get with Mockingbird because he's married and has a family. Natasha does not.

Right, but I still don't think it'll happen. My point is the comics continuity isn't the same as the movie continuity.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

So I just thought of this but in the comics Matt Murdock and Natasha Romanov aka Black Widow actually were a couple for some time.

I wonder if the show would ever reference this relationship? They are technically in the same universe but I'm not sure if they would want to ever bring them together in such a way?

they're not technically in the same universe. they are in the same universe.

 

[Bruce Malone]

they're not technically in the same universe. they are in the same universe.

I said technically as in they may be in the same universe, but for all intents and purposes as of now they are being treated as separate worlds with no actual interaction between film and netflix.

In both JJ and DD the few references to the Avengers are never by actual name.

It may be practice going forward to keep that the status quo?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I said technically as in they may be in the same universe, but for all intents and purposes as of now they are being treated as separate worlds with no actual interaction between film and netflix.

In both JJ and DD the few references to the Avengers are never by actual name.

It may be practice going forward to keep that the status quo?

Foggy straight up said captain america in DD " just because you put wings on my head, that doesn't make me Captain America ". And ben urichs office had both the alien invasion and hulks fight in Harlem. They mentioned the floating city and evil robots and have referenced plenty of avengers. feige has said that its almost inevitable that the movies and shows will cross over. They are in the same universe.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I said technically as in they may be in the same universe, but for all intents and purposes as of now they are being treated as separate worlds with no actual interaction between film and netflix.

In both JJ and DD the few references to the Avengers are never by actual name.

It may be practice going forward to keep that the status quo?

that's not true. captain america was name dropped by foggy in speak of the devil.

 

[Random490]

They just want the netflix heroes to stand on their own merits and not be the movie's supplemental material. The Daredevil show is "Daredevil" not "The Avengers... featuring Daredevil" I think people just get little too cameo/easter egg crazy. Just because something happens in the world or someone is famous doesn't mean it's the only thing anyone ever talks about. The netflix series has had some amazing writing, specially with the references, they rarely feel force, fits in the context of the conversations and characters, and gives a great nod to the fans

 

[gohei_]

What about the part where they move to San Francisco and become crime fighting partners?

Yes that was a fun read, but by the way the MCU looks I don't think it would fit in very well. I would be satisfied with them just having a short fling, if anything.

 

[pixen]

I can't remember when the first season wrapped shooting but it looks like filming is starting to wrap soon. Elodie Yung's latest Instagram post mentions that it's the last week of filming that's coming up.

 

[Smilodon]

During DD S1 I totally wondered if they were ever going to hint at the comic book relationship between Matt and Nat. Not that it would be necessary, but I did think it'd be kinda cool to see Black Widow in a more grittier, intimate setting.

I don't think it's necessary to have Daredevil himself cross over into the Avengers or anything, but I think having him in appear in Spider-Man would be cool. Kinda like how Colossus appears in Deadpool as a connection to the greater X-Men universe, having DD in a movie Spider-Man would be a cool to way to bridge the film and TV worlds without having to bend over backwards to make things work it feels like.

 

[Loki882]

I just wish Marvel would stop with the whole "it's all connected" schick since that doesn't appear to actually be true.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It's all connected. Some connections are looser than others. But for Loki and the events in the Avengers, Hell's Kitchen would be a nicer place and the Kingpin wouldn't have risen to power.

 

[Mai]

Black Widow in Daredevil would certainly be interesting. Just I guess not going to happen seeing as Daredevil isn't pg rated.

Also I didn't notice the set photo thread until now (im a bit late but they are interesting) I wonder if we are getting an April release for s2

 

[Bruce Malone]

One of the "issues" between the MCU films and Netflix connecting is apparently they are headed by two different divisions or at least heads.

They don't apparently coordinate and just sort of do their own things. Aside from lack of Black Widow or whatever I don't think that's necessarily a hindrance and is probably a positive in some ways for the shows.

I was thinking of Jessica Jones though which seemed to really go out of its way to not name any of the Avengers by name.

 

[Smilodon]

JJ is even more grounded than DD, so I can live with not having any references to the Avengers, and I actually like having moments like we see with Claire and the doctor who tries to treat Luke. Just that feeling of being fed up with gifted people wrecking stuff and making it hard for normal people.

That being said, if there's any Netflix series that could be a bit more fantastic and has the source material to back it up, it'd be DD.

Maybe Spider-Man and DD could share villains? Like Mysterio?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

while yes DD could withstand a more fantastical flair, I'd say iron fist is the one that should have the most fantastical vibe. DD is fine where its at, and doesn't need spidey villains to amp it up.

 

[BatsDC]

I'd imagine The Defenders will be the series that embraces fantastical elements more than the others.

 

[KingCheops]

One of the "issues" between the MCU films and Netflix connecting is apparently they are headed by two different divisions or at least heads.

They don't apparently coordinate and just sort of do their own things. Aside from lack of Black Widow or whatever I don't think that's necessarily a hindrance and is probably a positive in some ways for the shows.

I was thinking of Jessica Jones though which seemed to really go out of its way to not name any of the Avengers by name.

From interviews I've seen it's more a case of the short development times for TV compared to the long development times for movies that is the big problem. The movies are only now getting to the point where they can start incorporating things from Agents of SHIELD and the Netflix shows without tacking them on later in the production cycle.

Having throwaway lines about Sokovia in AoS or the Avengers on Netflix is no sweat but if you randomly started talking about fish oil pills as if it was important in Age of Ultron it might confuse movie goers.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think it's a combination of two things:
Production cycle. They have to do something way before the TV show does. But they have to coordinate that far in advance. So, if they want to incorporate something from AoS, they have to make sure AoS isn't going to kill off that character before the movie airs. Also, they have to make sure that whatever they do doesn't disrupt the television filming schedule.
Interest. I don't think the film people are opposed to drawing from the TV show, but I also don't think they're all that motivated. Kevin Feige directs the movies and can direct a movie to incorporate something to set up a future movie. No one can direct the movies to incorporate something from TV except the head of Disney. My guess is they'd do it if they're interested, but they nobody's twisting their arm if they're not.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I heard it on collider movie talk from John Campea I believe.

He says there was a shake-up with the Marvel division whereby Feige oversees the films and I can't remember the name now oversees the Netflix/TV side.

So yeah the fact they operate on different schedules and different goals is part of what keeps them separate.

Either way I consider the Netflix Defender series as prestige television and shouldn't be looked at as the "B-Side" to the films. The two shows so far have already touched upon things the movies couldn't dream of.

 

[Dasher10]

I heard it on collider movie talk from John Campea I believe.

He says there was a shake-up with the Marvel division whereby Feige oversees the films and I can't remember the name now oversees the Netflix/TV side.

So yeah the fact they operate on different schedules and different goals is part of what keeps them separate.

Either way I consider the Netflix Defender series as prestige television and shouldn't be looked at as the "B-Side" to the films. The two shows so far have already touched upon things the movies couldn't dream of.

Jeph Loeb. He's the TV guy.