Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 6

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Honestly, if Daredevil shows up in Avengers: Infinity War, what is he going to even do to Thanos? I get it has happened in the comics but both him and the rest of the Netflix Marvel characters. Along with Jessica and Luke, they are pretty limited compared to Thor, Scarlet Witch, Iron Man, Hulk and Captain America. Don't get me wrong, they are strong characters, but they don't quite have the power that those other characters do.

That argument might apply to Daredevil, but pretty much only Daredevil. What advantage does Captain America have over Luke Cage? Luke Cage has unbreakable skin.

Daredevil can at least punch an Outrider or something.
 
Maybe there's a situation where one of D/D's heightened senses aids them. Failing that, I dunno - maybe Thanos will need a lawyer by the end of it all.
 
I think he'll be a perfectly capable auxiliary character if he is part of IW. Personally I don't think it would add anything to his on-screen mythology and thus I don't think it's needed but it's probably something fans would love.
 
That argument might apply to Daredevil, but pretty much only Daredevil. What advantage does Captain America have over Luke Cage? Luke Cage has unbreakable skin.

His advantage is that he's Captain America. Captain America's main contribution is not "brick", its "leader, martial artist, tactical genius. . . also brick".
 
Just because Luke Cage has unbreakable skin doesn't mean he can't be hurt. A shotgun blast to the face still nearly killed him. He can still get a concussion from impact on a hard surface.
 
Just because Luke Cage has unbreakable skin doesn't mean he can't be hurt. A shotgun blast to the face still nearly killed him. He can still get a concussion from impact on a hard surface.

True, a point blank explosion put him down as well. However I can't see Cap surviving either of those things. I think Jessica Jones would give Cap trouble in a fight also, maybe even win if she got a full strength hit on him.
 
Just because Luke Cage has unbreakable skin doesn't mean he can't be hurt. A shotgun blast to the face still nearly killed him. He can still get a concussion from impact on a hard surface.

But it doesn't mean he can't compete in the big leagues.
 
Here's an interesting question, should some B-list and C-list DD villains appear as corrupt civilian figures in this series, like the way Owl was a corrupt accountant (which does fit in with his Silver Age origins).

Wilbur Day (Stilt-Man) could be a white collar criminal, which fits into his first (and likely best) story where he embezzled tech from his boss. Jonathan Powers (Jester) could be a media figure who tries whip up anti DD sentiment (like a corrupt version of JJJ and really the only thing notable about Jester is his talent for media manipulation, he doesn't have wear a bad outfit and act like a second rate Joker knock off for that to work).

Also Larry Cranston can start off as a corrupt lawyer who faces off against DD in court.

Really a lot of the Silver Age villains would likely be more dangerous if they managed to keep their day job and were people abusing the positions they have in civil society, instead of losing those jobs, donning bad outfits and starting to rob banks. Now obviously these guys wouldn't major villains (except maybe Cranston), but they could fit into a larger story and not come off as Freak of the week type villains.
 
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I'd have no problem with doing that with Wilbur Day. I think Jonathan Powers is actually an interesting character (who is quite different from the Joker, imo). I'd prefer they have a bit closer ties to the comics character than the Masked Marauder had. But something along the lines of the Owl could work.
 
I'd have no problem with doing that with Wilbur Day. I think Jonathan Powers is actually an interesting character (who is quite different from the Joker, imo). I'd prefer they have a bit closer ties to the comics character than the Masked Marauder had. But something along the lines of the Owl could work.

See Jester could be an interesting character, but I always felt his Silver Age origin kinda sucked. He comes off as an idiot who's ego doesn't match his talent and is too stupid to realize you need to take acting lessons to be a good actor. I could never take him seriously as a character, because he is one of those villains who could have solved his problems and achieved his goals, with a little common sense.

I always felt he would benefit from one of those revamped origins that villains in the DCUA got, that would do wonders for him. Instead of bad actor who was too stupid to take acting lessons, he was a good actor who got screwed over by his understudy or a producer or anyone and so his bitterness has a focal point, he could have made it big if that one person didn't ruin his chance, DD having to protect this less then sympathetic figure who is responsible for ruining Jester's career, is kinda of a interesting story, it would make Jester somewhat sympathetic and make him seem more like a person, rather then a pompous cartoonish idiot.

Now I don't know if that would work at all in the Netflix series (it seems a bit freak of week, rather then Netflix long story format) but frankly retconning Jester's origins in the comics might be helpful and make him more compelling. Making Powers an obnoxious media figure would be easier to fit in the more realistic Netflix universe.

But yeah, I can't see Stilt-Man work in this show (he doesn't even work as a DD villain in the comics anymore, he seems more like a D-list Iron Man villain then a DD villain at this point) and Day could be more dangerous selling inside information then he ever was as a super villain.
 
I love the bad actor part, though. That's the most interesting part. He's just extremely egotistical and wants attention. It's why one of my favorite Daredevil issues is "All My Laurels You Have Riven Away" where the Jester escapes from prison and sneaks onto a live-broadcast of Cirano. Only this time, he's actually doing a good job. Rather than stop him, Daredevil distracts the police so he can finish the performance and satisfy his wish. After that, Jester willingly returns to prison. To me, that was the perfect ending for the character and I wish he had never been brought back.

One thing that helps me appreciate the character is I don't give him the Mark Hamill "clown" voice (e.g., the Joker, the Trickster, Hobgoblin). Instead, I picture him with a very pretentious theater voice.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that character could work on the Netflix show. But I do like some of the things the character has to offer on their own terms.
 
I love the bad actor part, though. That's the most interesting part. He's just extremely egotistical and wants attention. It's why one of my favorite Daredevil issues is "All My Laurels You Have Riven Away" where the Jester escapes from prison and sneaks onto a live-broadcast of Cirano. Only this time, he's actually doing a good job. Rather than stop him, Daredevil distracts the police so he can finish the performance and satisfy his wish. After that, Jester willingly returns to prison. To me, that was the perfect ending for the character and I wish he had never been brought back.

One thing that helps me appreciate the character is I don't give him the Mark Hamill "clown" voice (e.g., the Joker, the Trickster, Hobgoblin). Instead, I picture him with a very pretentious theater voice.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that character could work on the Netflix show. But I do like some of the things the character has to offer on their own terms.

Fair enough, to each their own. I did like that story and frankly I don't think Jester serves much purpose as villain after that story. He seems more like a gimmick then a character now.

The thing is Joker is also egoistical and loves attention, he often seems to think he is committing crime as performance art, with Batman and the people of Gotham as he audience, so those characteristics don't make Jester that unique compared to Joker (or Trickster or Prankster, etc.) I think having Jester a somewhat sympathetic motive makes him less like Joker then anything else would. Really Jester needs more of a unique MO from those type of villains and most of those villains are egoistical attention seekers. Maybe have him commit more acting relate crimes, kidnapping random people to star in movie of his own making (though unfortunately Joker already did in the 90s from what I remember).

The thing is though, you can still have that story and have made Jester a somewhat sympathetic character from the get go, a good actor being denied the chance to shine seems like more pathos and the story is him finally getting the break he deserves. Jester being a really bad actor due to his own arrogance and incompetence, makes him seem like a comic relief villain, rather then a serious one and that story seems like throwing the loser villain a bone (also, where did his acting skills come from for that story, did he finally decide to take acting lessons in between bank robberies), rather a character getting something they really deserve. Frankly I just think it would be interesting to have DD face against a villain who has a legitimate reason for wanting revenge on someone, rather then the petty, psychopathic and illegitimate grudges most DD villains seem to harbor.

But hey, that's just my opinion, if you like Jester the way he is, more power to ya.

Anyway, this is a bit off topic, but I do think some of these villains likely would only work in the Netflix series as corrupt civilians rather then full on super villains.
 
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I wonder how good Punisher is at fighting. He has to either be really good at fighting or really resistant to pain to get Daredevil tied up like that.
 
I wonder how good Punisher is at fighting. He has to either be really good at fighting or really resistant to pain to get Daredevil tied up like that.
I think a combination of both. His adrenaline probably helps him when he's in the moment to get through some damage from human on human combat but afterwards feels it. His fighting style is probably similar to Cap but not as fast or powerful obviously.
 
I could never agree with Mister Fear not ever donning his costume. He also needs to be the big bad for a season.
 
I wonder how good Punisher is at fighting. He has to either be really good at fighting or really resistant to pain to get Daredevil tied up like that.

I think Daredevil's gonna be the superior fighter without weapons, like he's in the comics, but Punisher will use all kind of weapons to get the upper hand.
 
I could never agree with Mister Fear not ever donning his costume. He also needs to be the big bad for a season.

I agree with that completely. I don't think his costume would look that bad on screen. Probably should change the color scheme, but that's about it. Both Joe Kelly in the 90s and certainly Ed Brubaker more recently shown that he can be a very formidable opponent.
 
Not like that. I know he uses weapons like guns and ****. I just mean like, against Daredevil. When I imagine a fight between DD and Punisher I imagine hand to hand not weapons. That's what I mean by forget
 
I actually can't remember this but does anyone really know how good Frank is at hand to hand combat in the comics? I know his pain threshold is almost second to none and his weapon proficiency is really what makes him lethal, curious to know just how good his fighting skills are.
 
I agree with that completely. I don't think his costume would look that bad on screen. Probably should change the color scheme, but that's about it. Both Joe Kelly in the 90s and certainly Ed Brubaker more recently shown that he can be a very formidable opponent.

What's wrong with black leather? The costume is less likely to show damage from shooting multiple takes with that getup and a black costume works for villains in general.

Mister Fear, Gladiator and Typhoid need the least amount of reworks to work on screen. With the latter, I'm thinking more along the lines of Alex Maleev's costume than JRJR's. Maybe put her in the Mutant Zero costume.

Owl doesn't even have a costume and Kirigi and Ikari both just wear Hand uniforms.

The villains who IMO need to biggest redesigns are Bulllseye and Jester since I'm not sure if comic accurate costumes for them would actually work in a live-action medium.

I also hope that Nuke reappears in Season 3 or 4 of Daredevil and he gets his warpaint.
 
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Black leather is fine, I was thinking of this one.

I disagree strongly with Bullseye getting a costume redesign. I don't have time this morning to explain my points in detail, but I would rather not. I don't get why Marvel is fine with heroes getting comics-accurate costumes but so terrified of villains (who aren't Asgardian) getting them. I'll try to give more thoughts this afternoon.

I agree completely that a comics-accurate Jester would be inappropriate for the show, though.
 
Just give Bullseye the costume he currently has. The black and white with the target on his forhead or whatever. Hell looking at what they've done so far with the villains and heroes in DD. Bullseye won't be wearing a costume in his first appearance.
 
Bullseye should have red leather with a bullseye instead. His symbol could look like this: :o

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