Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 8

[Ozbridge]

They'll provide variety when people ask for variety.

Exactly. If the streaming service isn’t profitable with Marvel/ Star Wars content only, Disney will add variety (or cut it).

Just like if those live-action remakes, WDAS, Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars movies don’t make money anymore, they will make less of them.

At the moment their studio is still profitable, so they won’t do something they don’t have to do yet (i.e. add more variety). Of course I myself think that it’s better for the streaming service if they have something other than Marvel or Star Wars, but I don’t have decades of experience in the entertainment industry like the people at Disney, so I think they’re in better position to answer the question “Will Disney+ be profitable in the long term to make it worth launching?” better than me.

 

[Zarex]

Except a lot of people already own this stuff. Hell they don't even get the original and prequel Star Wars streaming rights back until the mid 2020's. I'm saying Disney's strategy on relying of existing brands to win people over is a bad strategy because it breads stagnation and complacency. We've already seen it from Disney itself how little original work they do and how much they rely on the brands to keep their movie division afloat, and we've already seen just how too much of one property can lead to loss in revenue with Solo flopping. Too much content from the same brands or same catalogue is a terrible investment long term, and an even worse one in the middle of a streaming war. Netflix and Amazon reign supreme because they are investing in new ideas and concepts all the time. People can bury their heads in the sand about Disney but even those in charge at the company would admit in private they are gambling their future with this service.

Netflix reigns supreme because they were able to obtain a tremendous amout of third party content (relatively) cheaply prior to the major studios recognizing them as a threat. This includes the pay window streaming rights from the biggest studio in the world. And Friends reruns. It's silly to suggest Disney's reliance on brands will be its downfall when a significant piece of Netflix's appeal, and the rise in stock value, was built on those very brands.

Amazon reigns supreme because it's free with an Amazon Prime subscription.

Yeah but can they provide the kind of variety that fans of Narcos, Stranger things, 13 reasons why, House of Cards and Anime fans want...That's variety, not endless Star Wars and Marvel shows.

It's also Pixar, Disney Animation & Live Action and National Geographic. Folks can scream 'Solo!' all day long, but it doesnt change the fact that these are extremely popular brands that will find an audience.

Netflix's 'All Things to All People' approach made sense when they were (mostly) the only game in town, but I'm not sure it will hold up going forward. Folks tend not to shell out streaming fees for variety. They want more of what they want.

 

[RockSP]

 

[squeekness]

Hee hee, nice.

 

[Zant]

Netflix reigns supreme because they were able to obtain a tremendous amout of third party content (relatively) cheaply prior to the major studios recognizing them as a threat. This includes the pay window streaming rights from the biggest studio in the world. And Friends reruns. It's silly to suggest Disney's reliance on brands will be its downfall when a significant piece of Netflix's appeal, and the rise in stock value, was built on those very brands.

Amazon reigns supreme because it's free with an Amazon Prime subscription.




It's also Pixar, Disney Animation & Live Action and National Geographic. Folks can scream 'Solo!' all day long, but it doesnt change the fact that these are extremely popular brands that will find an audience.

Netflix's 'All Things to All People' approach made sense when they were (mostly) the only game in town, but I'm not sure it will hold up going forward. Folks tend not to shell out streaming fees for variety. They want more of what they want.

Eh...Fair points...I still say Disney's plan for Hulu makes more sense than their limited flagship streaming stuff...What Netflix are doing seems to be working just fine...Disney should worry about Warner streaming not Netflix...They should know their level..

 

[flickchick85]

Netflix reigns supreme because they were able to obtain a tremendous amout of third party content (relatively) cheaply prior to the major studios recognizing them as a threat. This includes the pay window streaming rights from the biggest studio in the world. And Friends reruns. It's silly to suggest Disney's reliance on brands will be its downfall when a significant piece of Netflix's appeal, and the rise in stock value, was built on those very brands.

And who owns Friends? Warner Bros. Or for a more recent success, who owns The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina? Warner Bros. If you ask me, it's NETFLIX who should be worried about their future once WB has also pulled their content and BOTH the biggest studios in the world have their own services. Regardless of their constant touting of original programming, Netflix's success was undeniably built on those established brands. Outside of a handful of hits, a large amount of their original programming has failed to generate the buzz they'd need to sustain subscribers on that alone. Disney+, with the multiple mega-brands commanding both family audiences and devoted fanbases they already have under their umbrella, will be fine. Its shows that don't even have trailers yet have more buzz than any Netflix originals did right out of the gate.

Have y'all ever seen how a family with small kids uses Netflix? I've witnessed on multiple occasions: they put on some cartoon I've never heard of but the kids eat up, and let it run...for ages, while the adults do other things. Disney+ will offer that to them for less money, with a more trusted and recognizable brand content. It's got Disney shows, Pixar shows, Muppets shows, Star Wars shows and superhero shows. That pretty much runs the gamut for the youth of America right there. Plus Disney's vast back catalogue, original films, and remakes of classics ranging from Lady and the Tramp to The Mighty Ducks. People are drawn to the familiar. It's about as sure a thing as any new streaming service could be.

 

[Zant]

And who owns Friends? Warner Bros. Or for a more recent success, who owns The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina? Warner Bros. If you ask me, it's NETFLIX who should be worried about their future once WB has also pulled their content and BOTH the biggest studios in the world have their own services. Regardless of their constant touting of original programming, Netflix's success was undeniably built on those established brands. Outside of a handful of hits, a large amount of their original programming has failed to generate the buzz they'd need to sustain subscribers on that alone. Disney+, with the multiple mega-brands commanding both family audiences and devoted fanbases they already have under their umbrella, will be fine. Its shows that don't even have trailers yet have more buzz than any Netflix originals did right out of the gate.

WB pulling their stuff from Netflix will hit them hard....But Netflix anticipated the Disney and Warner betrayal......Investing billions on original content stealing Shonda Rimes and Ryan Murphy from Disney...Expect other top producers to follow...Their mega hit shows will be a lot more than just a handfull very soon....

 

[flickchick85]

WB pulling their stuff from Netflix will hit them hard....But Netflix anticipated the Disney and Warner betrayal......Investing billions on original content stealing Shonda Rimes and Ryan Murphy from Disney...Expect other top producers to follow...Their mega hit shows will be a lot more than just a handfull very soon....

We shall see! The next two years will certainly be interesting to watch for the streaming landscape.

 

[Marvel united]

‘Daredevil’ and Other Cancelled Marvel Netflix Series Would be Rebooted Under Disney, Suggests Industry Expert

 

[RockSP]

WB pulling their stuff from Netflix will hit them hard....But Netfli@x anticipated the Disney and Warner betrayal......Investing billions on original content stealing Shonda Rimes and Ryan Murphy from Disney...Expect other top producers to follow...Their mega hit shows will be a lot more than just a handfull very soon....

@ "betrayal"

 

[Zarex]

Eh...Fair points...I still say Disney's plan for Hulu makes more sense than their limited flagship streaming stuff...What Netflix are doing seems to be working just fine...Disney should worry about Warner streaming not Netflix...They should know their level..

I have a lot more confidence in Disney Plus than I do Hulu. The Disney streamer is getting the Glengarry leads, with classic live action and animated flicks alongside four quadrant programming with built in appeal. I think it's damn close to a sure thing.

But even with Fox under the Disney umbrella the Mouse is going to struggle to replace the content formerly provided by Hulu partners Comcast and AT&T (who may work together in WarnerMedia's new services). I suggested on another thread that Disney sell off Hulu to a third party (Apple?) and focus on the family product where they dominate. I could see Hulu (which I recently subscribed to for 99 cents per month!) )struggling with the competition, but not Plus.

 

[Spider-Fan]

‘Daredevil’ and Other Cancelled Marvel Netflix Series Would be Rebooted Under Disney, Suggests Industry Expert

Again, speculation. Wake me up when something happens. Until that point, I will push for them to use the existing versions. Again, I won't watch a rebooted Daredevil. Period. I will skip the movie

 

[Iceman]

Is Amazon Prime good? I’ve had it for years but barely used it for watching stuff as I didn’t see much I was interested in when I looked in the past.

 

[DyeLorean]

Is really difficult to predict what could happen with these characters in the future.

 

[The Chris]

Again, speculation. Wake me up when something happens. Until that point, I will push for them to use the existing versions. Again, I won't watch a rebooted Daredevil. Period. I will skip the movie

Yeah i feel like any type of reboot and recast is completely unnecessary and disrespectful to both the actors and us fans so right now I'm with you .

 

[Spidey_62]

Is Amazon Prime good? I’ve had it for years but barely used it for watching stuff as I didn’t see much I was interested in when I looked in the past.

I like Amazon Prime, they have lots of random good movies and TV shows, but anybody can send stuff into Prime to have it on there so there's also just a ton of random terrible movies and shorts if that's also your thing. For me, it totally is lmao. I've seen some Z-list movies on Prime that left me completely baffled and totally satisfied at the same time.

 

[Iceman]

I like Amazon Prime, they have lots of random good movies and TV shows, but anybody can send stuff into Prime to have it on there so there's also just a ton of random terrible movies and shorts if that's also your thing. For me, it totally is lmao. I've seen some Z-list movies on Prime that left me completely baffled and totally satisfied at the same time.

Thanks for that. Content is content to me and having 100 bad movies and 100 good ones is better than just having 100 good ones. Noone is forcing me to watch the bad ones but I have the choice to if I want to. I’ll be all over that LotR series when it comes out but I haven’t got into Prime yet, still mostly use Sky (cable) and Netflix (outside of physical discs).

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hopefully they can still run with the season on Hulu or whatever!!!

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Surely Feige knows rebooting this with a new cast is not the smartest business decision?

 

[zenith16]

Surely Feige knows rebooting this with a new cast is not the smartest business decision?

he's too busywith the disney plus shows &movies. those show from Net flix are under Joe Q's(Quesada) perview with jeph leop being the one mostly on hand with those shows

Feige a smart man though he'l llook into this ifthis comes into his view.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Surely Feige knows rebooting this with a new cast is not the smartest business decision?

I don't buy the rebooted movie suggestion is anything more than speculation but it's worth pointing out that a rebooted movie isn't going to be until 2021 or later, so it's possible people will have different feelings by then.

 

[Ozbridge]

I don't buy the rebooted movie suggestion is anything more than speculation but it's worth pointing out that a rebooted movie isn't going to be until 2021 or later, so it's possible people will have different feelings by then.

Exactly. All the reboot or recast or moving to Hulu or whatever is speculations at best. The writers were still working through Thursday before the show was unexpectedly cancelled so I don't think there have been serious phone calls or discussion yet. And even though I don't rule out recasting or reboot I'm pretty sure that Feige won't touch the Netflix shows in the next few years (or ever), considering he already has to worry about the unannounced movies, the movies in production, the Disney+ series in pre-production, and the X-Men characters Disney will likely get.

 

[Lilbaz]

Will people still boycott if a new dd turns up in a future spiderman or blackwidow film? They can do a soft reboot and skip his origin and have him just turn up in another film.

 

[zenith16]

Will people still boycott if a new dd turns up in a future spiderman or blackwidow film? They can do a soft reboot and skip his origin and have him just turn up in another film.

I don't know if that even possbile for him to show up in a Black Widow movie . It'd be cool it be the same case for spider man. . But I was never against that from the jump in eather being movies or Tv series. the latter would have worked best though.

But i'm speaking for myself here. I know tha actors from Dare Devil were all for it so that added more to it. The fandom was split on it in other places I've seen. but they'd make money from it so the people Inchage of the production can't say it won't .if the don't want to it'll be out mis guided stubborn blindness. they willmake money out of it and that's their bottom line in the end. the real problem is wanting to do it sadly that's inthe way.