Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 8

I missed Iron Fist and Punisher costumes. Would be so, so disappointed for Bullseye not to get one either - I mean, is Matt going too end up being the only one with a costume? Hopefully Bullseye.knows Melvin from back in the day, but I wont hold my breath.....
 
I missed Iron Fist and Punisher costumes. Would be so, so disappointed for Bullseye not to get one either - I mean, is Matt going too end up being the only one with a costume? Hopefully Bullseye.knows Melvin from back in the day, but I wont hold my breath.....
He was the only one in Defenders to have one...other than Elektra's red outfit...so basically not holding my breath.
 
Punisher has one. Granted, he didn't use it much in season 1 of his show, but he has one.
 
Not really much point to giving him one if he doesn't really use it though?
 
Not really much point to giving him one if he doesn't really use it though?

I am betting he uses it a lot more in season 2. Season 1 kind of acted like the 2nd half of an origin story (that was started in DD season 2), so I think that is why he didn't use it much. Next season, I expect a more full on Punisher.
 
I pretty much suspected that Bullseye wouldn't wear a costume since the Marvel Netflix shows have a thing against character wearing their actual costumes from the comics *sigh*. At this point I just hope the characterization of Bullseye is on point and that the actor gives a great performance.
 
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I missed Iron Fist and Punisher costumes. Would be so, so disappointed for Bullseye not to get one either - I mean, is Matt going too end up being the only one with a costume? Hopefully Bullseye.knows Melvin from back in the day, but I wont hold my breath.....

i get annoyed that villains never seem to really get traditional costumes.. if it's logical for a hero to dress up in spandex and call themselves "spider-man" or another to dress as a devil.. why the heck can't a villain use that same logic?
 
i get annoyed that villains never seem to really get traditional costumes.. if it's logical for a hero to dress up in spandex and call themselves "spider-man" or another to dress as a devil.. why the heck can't a villain use that same logic?

I think in Jeph Loeb's mind he doesn't want the audience to just see these shows as superhero shows and by having the villains (and some of the heroes) not wear costumes the show becomes more "real" or "gritty".
 
My feeling is they want these shows to be seen as prestige shows for Marvel on like a House of Cards or Breaking Bad level. And more costumes would hinder that.
 
For God's sake, Netflix needs to get over this no costumes thing. It's a serious problem with them. Just embrace it. I've no interest in the CW superhero shows, but at least they lean into the comic book element more.

Knowing Netflix Bullseye may not get a costume until the last episode. It's so lame. At this point, it's justified. You can still be grounded, but for ****'s sake they still can't wear a costume???
 
Agreed. They're starting to remind me of Smallville's "no tights, no flights" mantra, and I KNOW they don't want to be reminding me of Smallville, lol.
 
Smallville was less rigid about costumes at this point, except when it came to Clark ;)
 
Oh yes, how could I forget all those brightly colored leather jackets. :cwink:
 
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Star Spangled Kid got a costume.
 
Ah yes, the costume that showed us why they didn't do costumes.
 
For God's sake, Netflix needs to get over this no costumes thing. It's a serious problem with them. Just embrace it. I've no interest in the CW superhero shows, but at least they lean into the comic book element more.

Knowing Netflix Bullseye may not get a costume until the last episode. It's so lame. At this point, it's justified. You can still be grounded, but for ****'s sake they still can't wear a costume???

Honestly I'm tired of the villain or hero not wearing the costume till the last episode. Its repetitive and annoying. Netlfix think that these shows are like Breaking Bad or The Sopranos but really they're not.
 
As far as we know though, Netflix order the episodes and Marvel TV have full control of whatever they want to do in that episode time frame. So I don't think it is Netflix saying no costumes. That appears to be a decision by Marvel.
 
i get annoyed that villains never seem to really get traditional costumes.. if it's logical for a hero to dress up in spandex and call themselves "spider-man" or another to dress as a devil.. why the heck can't a villain use that same logic?

To this point, many of the antagonists on Daredevil have been Fisk (who shouldn't have a costume) or ninjas. The ninajs by default all have them. Punisher has one (though he didn't use it much in his own show), and Elektra also had ninja garb. So I think Daredevil has embraced outlandish more than the other shows have. Melvin has not really been a physical role to this point (outside like 1 fight he had with Matt), and someone like Owlsley was hardly really the Owl. That was more like an easter egg nod.

I think Bullseye won't start with one. But if he becomes obsessed with Daredevil, he may eventually get some kind of assassin suit the resembles his costume.
 
I think it could be a Jeph Loeb decision.

Jeph Loeb, the guy who wrote Batman Hush doesn't want to use costumes.

It's as if Nolan just said, "You know what, Bruce won't wear the Bat costume until the climax."

You're just sucking the fun out of this stuff. You can still get your more mature tone, but lets not act like using costumes are a violation of that. That's why I loved season two. It felt like a proper step up and embraced the craziness yet still maintained the desired Marvel Knights type tone. It felt like I was reading a great trade.
 
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I think it could be a Jeph Loeb decision.

Jeph Loeb, the guy who wrote Batman Hush doesn't want to use costumes.

You're just sucking the fun out of this stuff. You can still get your more mature tone, but lets not act like using costumes are a violation of that.

It's as if Nolan just said, "You know what, Bruce won't wear the Bat costume until the climax."

And somehow Kevin Feige is not adverse to using costumes.
 
I think it could be a Jeph Loeb decision.

Jeph Loeb, the guy who wrote Batman Hush doesn't want to use costumes.

You're just sucking the fun out of this stuff. You can still get your more mature tone, but lets not act like using costumes are a violation of that.

It's as if Nolan just said, "You know what, Bruce won't wear the Bat costume until the climax."

I 100% think it is Loeb's call. Given other shows, like Runaways and Cloak & Dagger also don't have costumes either (well...Cloak did...not Dagger). If this was purely a Netflix thing, why don't they have costume either?
 
According to some set photos, his old black ninja outfit is coming back.
 
According to some set photos, his old black ninja outfit is coming back.

I sort of get it story wise, given how Defenders ended. We don't know what happened to his suit. So Melvin may need to make him a new one. Also, he may be trying to keep the illusion that he is dead for a while.
 
I doubt it's any kind of directive from Leob. It's more of a series-by-series/character-by-character decision, I definitely feel it's up to the show runner. There are a bunch of costumes throughout the all series but the focus is more on story and function rather than obligation. Cloak and Dagger aside since I haven't seen it, all most of the series without outfits makes sense and even when they have outfits but don't wear them it's an organic part of the story. I remember when the first Defenders trailer came out so many people on this bored claimed they were doing away with the red costume but there was a perfectly valid and logical story reason for when he wears the outfit, specially in a world where real costumed superheroes is a relatively new and rare concept.

Personally, I much prefer this approach. I like when writer focuses more on a character's personality, goals, and motivation rather than superficial fan service that can hurt the story. Kind of like what vulture said in Homecoming "what is this pro-wrestling" because even the films introduce outfits in a very organic way, there's very few masked individuals who have colorful outfits for no reason.

Luke Cage did a great job having villain names be introduced as nicknames most of the character got growing up. Daredevil did a great job building up to the red suit in a very consistent and logical manner that only helps the story.

The only show that I felt didn't do a good job was Iron Fist. Not that the lack of the costume wasn't organic or consistent, but because the show had no real visual identity like the others to make up for it. Plus the story we got could have really used an overhaul, one that would make the costume an organic part of the story. That being said Defenders have the perfect tee up for Danny to become a mask vigilante and if season 2 doesn't take advantage of that it would be a huge misstep.

Wouldn't take that much work, Danny is already operating as a vigilante just have one criminal recognize him and attempts to sue Rand Industries. Then have Ward tell Danny off for being irresponsible, have Melvin Potter fail to get a pitch for his armor, Danny takes pity and when talking to him notices it's that same material as Daredevil, convince Ward to hear him out, then Danny has Potter make him an outfit. Then boom, you can have a costume as early as episode 3.

I don't feel this whole "Marvel TV hates costumes" holds much water and I wouldn't be surprised if people start saying the same thing When the DD season 3 trailer drops and we don't see the red costume because off plot related reasons.
 

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