Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 8

[zenith16]

Thank you. I hate this believe that Daredevil is great because its R-rated. Its great because it was well written and acted. The blood, gore and language did not make that show. I agree with punisher having to be r-rated, but Daredevil never needed it. So yes, Marvel can still continue with this version of Daredevil even if it's not r-rated.

it's why I put this up at the end of my first post tonight . I want the rest of The MU to interact. I've been saying for a while and even if some shows are Rated, I still want them to interact.. Certain shows need their own identity. yes I believe that. but the character's intercating in guess staring in other shows or movies or corssing over is still very doable. and they don't have to fully say a swear for that guess starting or corss over.

that could for their personal show alone. in the end the audience will pay money to see these character's interact with each other. that's what' important to the makers.

For us, we'll get to see the character onscreen together. and the actor's get what they want as well Three of those thing's being rating, Exposer, and working with othe great talent.

Amazing Spider-Man‏ @Super_Spidey1 9h9 hours ago
It may be sad Daredevil is cancelled, but now this is all the more possible.

 

[WhoMani]

Daredevil doesn't have to r-rated to be great and he can easily exist in a Marvel universe that is lighter in tone. I have faith that Marvel/Disney can create a great Daredevil that is less angst but I'm just annoyed that my fav show got cancelled. But it is what it is.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm sure many felt that way about Andrew Garfield when he was Spider-Man. Believe it or not, people, Garfield's version of Peter Parker was relatively popular when that series was current. I remember a lot of Raimi fans hating him because the Raimi series was rebooted but after TASM came out, there were A LOT of fans of his portrayal (me being one of them at the time). Tom Holland aka FEIGE'S Spider-Man was introduced in Civil War and in very first appearance, easily topped Garfield as the best Spider-Man.

You could say the same thing about Jack Nicholson. People thought he couldn't be topped and then Ledger came along and blew him out of the water (no disrespect to Mr. Nicholson). We don't know what Feige's version of Daredevil will look like and it could very well end up being better than the Netflix version. I know the aesthetics are going to be better, that's for certain. We'd probably get a Daredevil with a superhuman level of agility like Spider-Man.

You have to wait and see what/if they do anything with the character and then judge. Because as it is now, the Netflix version simply does not fit into the MCU proper. They are made by two different teams with two different styles and now we're hearing they did not get along. Likely because of Perlmutter.

This argument holds no water for several reasons:

1 - The Amazing Spider-Man was never conceived as an MCU film. Daredevil on the other hand was conceived as being in the MCU since the show started. It has easter eggs for movie events, etc.

2 - The show DOES fit into the MCU proper. Is it tonally similar? No, but are Ragnarok and TWS tonally similar? Just because the show offers a different edge and tone doesn't mean it doesn't fit.

3 - Ledger came almost 20 years after Nicholson. After 20 years, no one expected Jack to come back and people were by that time ready for a new version. This show just ended now. I bet you if they made TDK in the 90s after Batman 89 set in the same universe, then people would have been upset with a new Joker then.

4 - What is going to honestly be different about Matt that warrants a new version? Is he still going to be a lawyer? Was his dad a boxer? Etc. It's not like they radically changed the character. He's very faithful. So why come in and cover the same crap we've already seen?

5 - Few would have argued Garfield was the definitive Spider-Man. I've been on here many years, and the Spidey forum is one of my most visited spots. That was divisive from day 1. The day Daredevil came out, it was universally praised and particularly Vincent and Charlie are praised in their respective roles more than your Garfield to Holland example. If they recast Spider-Man tomorrow with someone else, do you think they would be universally accepted day 1? It's a closer example.

6 - Even in the case of the most high profile recasting, Edward Norton, TIH has always been considered cannon. Is it referenced as much as the other films? No, but William Hurt came back as Ross and they reference Harlem and such. Why is it too much to ask for Daredevil in the future to have the same treatment?

7 - The Netflix shows were billed as being in MCU. If you remove them from continuity, effectively all Marvel TV is removed. So if we're picking and choosing suddenly what we want as continuity, what is to stop them from doing this for future movies eventually when they want to put in a new Captain America? This ruins one of the most basic appeals of the MCU for me, the fact the stories are connected. If they're only connected when they want them to be connected, then why should I care about everything that comes out? Maybe I will pick and choose what I care about, also. Starting with Daredevil. Reboot the show and show me you don't care about continuity, then I will come in equal measure and say I don't care by not watching it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thank you. I hate this believe that Daredevil is great because its R-rated. Its great because it was well written and acted. The blood, gore and language did not make that show. I agree with punisher having to be r-rated, but Daredevil never needed it. So yes, Marvel can still continue with this version of Daredevil even if it's not r-rated.

It's not great because it is R-rated, I agree. But I also don't want a Daredevil movie with a tone of Thor: Ragnarok. Daredevil does on some level need to be edgier. It is where he works better. Can that take a harder PG-13 form? Sure. Can seeing Daredevil briefly in something more fun be cool? Sure. But I don't want to see an overtly jokey Daredevil movie.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I mean, the currently announced show for the streaming service is being produced by Marvel Studios. That's different from saying that Disney won't stream something produced by Marvel Entertainment on their Streaming Service.

Now I'm not saying they necessarily would or, if they did, that it would be Daredevil, but I haven't seen any source that says only Kevin Feige can produce things for Disney+ and it just seems like speculation to make that claim.

 

[Iceman]

It's not great because it is R-rated, I agree. But I also don't want a Daredevil movie with a tone of Thor: Ragnarok. Daredevil does on some level need to be edgier. It is where he works better. Can that take a harder PG-13 form? Sure. Can seeing Daredevil briefly in something more fun be cool? Sure. But I don't want to see an overtly jokey Daredevil movie.

I don't think having an edge and the R rating are that related. You can have Ragnarok with gore, more crunching violence and sexual jokes and Daredevil without blood, sex and bad language. The R rating just means ticking certain boxes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Marvel is not stupid. If they are going to use Daredevil, there's no way they'll recast him. Charlie is Daredevil. Not sure about the rest though.

I honestly don't think they will recast the roles either. I think more likely they will get relaunched somehow on Hulu (in what form, I don't know). Daredevil at least. I just think if Iron Fist and Luke are not relaunched on Hulu or something, they just will be on the shelf for a while. But if people want to keep preaching this "give us the REAL" narrative and devalue the shows, then I got an equally strong and opposite opinion on this.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think having an edge and the R rating are that related. You can have Ragnarok with gore, more crunching violence and sexual jokes and Daredevil without blood, sex and bad language. The R rating just means ticking certain boxes.

I agree. My concern would be the MCU movies really have not attempted to hit that type of tone. TWS was the only movie I would say they did that was edgier. I think it would not be unreasonable to have that reservation given we're looking at over 20 movies now where this is more or less untested.

 

[Iceman]

Any future Daredevil show will have a LOT to live up to.

 

[Iceman]

I agree. My concern would be the MCU movies really have not attempted to hit that type of tone. TWS was the only movie I would say they did that was edgier. I think it would not be unreasonable to have that reservation given we're looking at over 20 movies now where this is more or less untested.

That point I agree with. Outside of Black Widow it doesn't look like we'll be getting much in that vein either from upcoming films.

 

[The Shape]

Welllll, this was sad news to wake up to.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I know there's a conflict there, but how much say, input or power does Perlmutter really have over Marvel TV? Can we really say we've seen his influence on the TV shows at all? Maybe with Inhumans. But what about the Netflix line? I just don't see it. I just feel like for the good of everyone there should be less problems. I don't care for corporate politics.

Yeah, as far as I can tell, he doesn’t really interfere that much. I mean, Perlmutter is a diehard Trump supporter, but shows like Luke Cage and even the latest season of Daredevil are very left-leaning. As far as I can tell, Ike just seems like one of those execs who doesn’t really care about the product, he just wants his money.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[MadVillainy]

I agree. My concern would be the MCU movies really have not attempted to hit that type of tone. TWS was the only movie I would say they did that was edgier. I think it would not be unreasonable to have that reservation given we're looking at over 20 movies now where this is more or less untested.

Thats one of my big criticisms against the MCU and honestly why I'm not completely ecstatic when everything comes back to Marvel

 

[DyeLorean]

I agree. My concern would be the MCU movies really have not attempted to hit that type of tone. TWS was the only movie I would say they did that was edgier. I think it would not be unreasonable to have that reservation given we're looking at over 20 movies now where this is more or less untested.

Thats one of my big criticisms against the MCU and honestly why I'm not completely ecstatic when everything comes back to Marvel

True, but to be honest there really isn't a current MCU character that deserved a darker/edgier tone. We know they respect the characters and DD and Punisher are really the ones that should be a bit different in tone, and that's all on the TV side.

 

[Spider-Fan]

True, but to be honest there really isn't a current MCU character that deserved a darker/edgier tone. We know they respect the characters and DD and Punisher are really the ones that should be a bit different in tone, and that's all on the TV side.

I agree that no current character warrants the tone, but at the same time, the MCU at this point has a formula. Do I think they would bend these characters to fit that formula? Yes I do think they would. Because it is the formula they have made billions with. That's why I have always been in favor of the shows. Allows for a better representation of those characters IMO.

 

[DyeLorean]

I agree that no current character warrants the tone, but at the same time, the MCU at this point has a formula. Do I think they would bend these characters to fit that formula? Yes I do think they would. Because it is the formula they have made billions with. That's why I have always been in favor of the shows. Allows for a better representation of those characters IMO.

Yeah, the TV shows were a breath of fresh air in the superhero landscape. At the same time, I think the MCU has earned the right to bend their formula a bit going forward after A4. They took many risks so far, I'm sure they will take more. Black Widow is a good chance of making something a bit more like a spy-thriller in the vein of Winter Soldier.

 

[MadVillainy]

True, but to be honest there really isn't a current MCU character that deserved a darker/edgier tone. We know they respect the characters and DD and Punisher are really the ones that should be a bit different in tone, and that's all on the TV side.

Not necessarily going dark dark but there have definitely been stories where they should've at least gone TWS in tone. Pr at least they need to learn to balance their humor. I think they still don't understand you can have a funny entertaining movie without adding so much humor or light stakes that it's a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously

Point is...the way the Netflix shows are they wouldn't transfer them to Disney+. IF, DD, LC, and maybe even JJ don't have to be TV-14/FX show level of maturity. Honestly as someone else said Punisher might be the only one. I've always been of the idea that R ratings isn't necessary. I don't even think it's necessary for Wolverine

 

[DyeLorean]

Not necessarily going dark dark but there have definitely been stories where they should've at least gone TWS in tone. Pr at least they need to learn to balance their humor. I think they still don't understand you can have a funny entertaining movie without adding so much humor or light stakes that it's a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously

That's what I meant about them moving forward in Phase IV (or whatever they wanna call it). We know the characters, we know the universe, they can start getting a bit deeper in their stories and go through some different tones. Like special issues but in movie form.

 

[webhead731]

I meant his upgraded costume. I'm not saying he needs to be in it all the time. But it would be disappointing if he doesn't wear it all season except maybe the end. I of course obviously care about the story. I'm just throwing out there it would be a bit disappointing, since it looks so good. It wouldn't ruin the show for me

Maybe I am just worrying about nothing, I just have a bad feeling these shows may not be around much longer. I want them to be, but after that stunt Netflix did with erasing all Defenders stuff from their Facebook and rebranding it, and Disney's streaming service coming out, I don't know. I know they said the Netflix shows will stay, but I just have a bad feeling lately. I hope I am wrong.

Hate it when I'm right. Too many bad things happened in a short amount of time. I am saddened by them ending Daredevil. This is easily my favorite MCU property. All I see here is them being petty.

 

[NotNickFury]

Random thought, but even though Rosario Dawson is already long gone and moved on, I sort of wish Claire's final onscreen appearance had been on Daredevil, rather than off screen at Harlem's Paradise on Luke Cage. For one, it's where she started, but also, I feel her potentially learning that Matt's alive would bring things full circle from her finding him in a dumpster in the first season.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Statement by Marvel:

Marvel Promises More Daredevil “Adventures” After Netflix Cancellation

Marvel is extremely grateful to the huge audience that loved Marvel’s Daredevil. From the moment of young Matt’s first act of heroism to the birth of Page, Murdock, & Nelson, it has been a unbelievable journey. We are incredibly proud of the amazing showrunners and writers starting with Drew Goddard and Steven DeKnight, Marco Ramirez and Doug Petrie and Erik Oleson, Charlie Cox, Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, Vincent D’Onofrio and our casts who brought our characters to life with such excellence, and every one of the fantastic crews in NYC. We look forward to more adventures with the Man without Fear in the future.

Sounds to me like Charlie Cox will return!!! I hope at least, lol. This basically says Daredevil will return.

 

[Pennywise]

Statement by Marvel:

Marvel Promises More Daredevil “Adventures” After Netflix Cancellation



Sounds to me like Charlie Cox will return!!!

Hooray! I guess the question now is when and where?

 

[kguillou]

I hate to sound cyncial but i think thats just a blanket statement to soften the blow. I dont think they have any active plans to continue Charlie's DD...but theyre not shuttinf the door is all.

 

[TheVileOne]

Eh, it's your typical corporate PR spin statement.

Yeah, more from the Man Without Fear, but it doesn't say anything about keeping the same cast.

Look. There is bound to be new material with all these characters at some point down the line. Doesn't mean it will be in the same form. Marvel could give it the Spider-Man treatment.